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I got a LINE more recently and have a real name for the first time though. Somehow also converted that into a commitment for a day out UTR on my first try too. Channeled the inner chad for that. The batting average can only do downhill from here.

The most important is not to get carried away and go too deep. Don't make promises, keep it fun and shorter than you'd like.

As PB once wrote some of these girls haven't been in love before. It is not often for this to be the angle, but if you are going to be the romantic boyfriend, that has worked out but it won't be about money. I have actually seen girls ask such a guy not to spend money on them - even buy that guy small stuff - knowing the guy is young and handsome but in need of money personally. That girl's motivation is to have a nice day with a guy she likes for once, so give her one.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7298721 Know the motivation

A full day is quite long. Find out where she likes, or else by default recommend her 1-3 good spots. If the girl wants whole day, I do half day. If she wants half day I do quarter day. Leave her on a high note, it is dating 101. Quality over quantity for a date.

About motivations and being upfront. I took one jgirl out and she turned out to be special, but I told her upfront it would be a halfday of sightseeing. She was so hot it was comical how guys would stare at her with big grins as she walked, like in the movies. But I am just a nice uncle without jealousy, my feelings are secure. All I want is to share one special day with her for us to remember. So she was surprised when after a half day of fun I really told her I was dropping her off. She expected me to extend it. I had no ulterior motives, I just wanted a great memory and to take care of her for once. It was a passionate goodbye since I made her happy and delivered on the promise of a nice day out.

Maybe she is used to rich simps and romantic boyfriends. Those are nice too. Every successful guy is one of the three types imo. Know what you are looking for and communicate.

I would not expect a date and bang on a true UTR day off date. Never got it. I know it is most guys' deepest fantasy but it is not fun to press a girl too hard if she is not willing.

The only time I got a date and bang was when taking a girl out on the clock (this works for certain korg setups), and we got back to the place an hour early. She said to me "We still have time" for more sightseeing but I said, let's get back. Oh she knew what I wanted, and she was on the clock so it is completely different than UTR. She almost blushed and it was a fantasy fulfilled. Of course she is going to bang without hesitation, I had booked her officially for hours after all. This was the only proper way to get a date and bang without any awkward misunderstanding, and it was fantastic after some fun outdoors. Never pressure a girl too hard, it is not the special kind of memory you will treasure anyways. This was.

I have dated girls on her day off, then banged them on a different day. But never mixed the two, hard to not make it weird unless that's what she wanted too. I'm sure it can happen, I'm just saying you can't always fit a girl into your neat plan. I wouldn't expect it even though it's possible. Especially if it is on her one day off, she's not going to want to. Other scenarios are ymmv.

I try to promise nothing and be honest and upfront with communication. Sometimes, we say or do things we may later regret when there are feelings. If you must say someting, make it a maybe rather than a hard promise. Many of us can't help it, but better to keep it tame if you will regret it later.

By the way, I am so grateful to rich simps for buying her very expensive nice things and for the romantic boyfriends for filling these girl's hearts with genuine love. They do what I can't for them. Don't be jealous of them is what I'm saying. If you are a generous person with time, you can be a nice uncle. To do this, you actually have to want to be her tour guide, uber, friend. If that's not what you want, then do something else. It is not for very many guys, make your plan align with your goals and hers.

Those are the three roles I see work out. I believe all misunderstanding comes from trying to jump between those three roles. To summarize: a) a rich guy buys a girl things and that's why she's with him, she finds him profitable b) a romantic boyfriend gives her the boyfriend she wanted, she finds him attractive c) a nice uncle shows her how a gentleman should treat her, so she gains life experience and will only pick a good man in her future. Don't mix them, it doesn't work.

For others who did not see and are interested, I wrote some posts on the topic:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...25#post7296325 We all know the red flags
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...43#post7073943 PSA do not date
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...29#post7141129 You can't trust 80% of girls
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7206827 Keep a date short

I know it's too late for this, but this message is for everyone. Make sure you chose your girl not on looks alone. That she is trustworthy for your feelings and wallet. Don't chase a girl on one-sided feelings. Some people can't resist, so I feel it best to help people with positivity rather than criticize. Many of us have been there. I would not book a hotel, it is probably awkward and disappointing. If you are hoping for free bb, that can happen at the shop rather than date. It's probably easier and cheaper. I have been invited by girls for more but did not want to go in too deep with those girls, I knew it would not work out. I only dated "safe" girls instead. If something feels wrong, it often is.

It is just opinion but when a girl is special I won't name her in public. Also, I've linked to a variety of opinions on this topic. It is mostly kgirl-centric but covers a wide spectrum:

Dating
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7298776 Better than a wife
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7300054 S-Class date spot
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7299151 Do not date
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7298968 1 out of 3 was amazing
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7298938 Do not date
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7298790 Ymmv
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7298742 OTC
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7048612 Dating jgirls

People have a hard time reinventing the wheel as a beginner, but that's what first time can feel like. So I hope you can gain something out of our collective experience and opinions.

[DrunkenKid]

LOL. I didn't mean to ruin virgin dude's first outside excursion with a jgirl. I like variety so my perspective is different than yours. Investing so much into a jgirl seems like a lot when I could be using that time to bang other jgirls.

DK, so what other master level tips do you have for our young friend other than don't book a hotel room?

Life is all about the experiences, the variety in my life is to do dumb shit. I've done a lot of dumb shit that I can't talk about LOL.

I think PB and JLover already wrote a primer on what to do when taking a JGirl out of the store.

1. Keep it casual.
2. Be prepared to use the translator when sitting down to eat.
3. Don't plan to spend a lot of money (dont make reservations at spas or fancy restaurants).
4. Don't expect free sex.
5. Don't lend her money.
6. No really. Don't fall for any sob stories about being in debt.
7. Do try to do something that you want to do as well.
8. They all say “I love you”, it doesnt have the same meaning.
9. Do expect her to flake out on you.
10. Don’t let her introduce you to her mom. LULZ.

[PokerBrah]

LOL. I didn't mean to ruin virgin dude's first outside excursion with a jgirl. I like variety so my perspective is different than yours. Investing so much into a jgirl seems like a lot when I could be using that time to bang other jgirls.

DK, so what other master level tips do you have for our young friend other than don't book a hotel room?

DK's understudy here.

- You did check she's not on the rag right?
- Expect nothing, gain everything.
- Hotel room - if you really gonna book, use dayuse but you should check with the girl first. Only the chosen few can get overnight and it's not up to them.

Tell us which level you reach. I think the levels require some re-arranging. Looks like a C2 soon.

C1 How much did she let me get away with? This could be service, extras, cost, whatever. Basically how much did she go beyond her "job" and be "herself" with me. The lower the better of course cuz she wants my time, not money. The ratio of money vs. time spent changes from 1:1 to 0:many then youre golden. You can pay for stuff like food and some gifts but if it is anywhere equal to the pay time then youre not doing Chad right.

C1.1 Full contacts? I guess WeChat, LINE first

C1.2 Other contact info like IG, etc, and perhaps to the real phone number. Who uses real phone numbers anyway? No one uses phones and Apps are better for language translations.


C2 Does she ask you to hang out with her outside of the shop? Lunch, sight seeing, etc


C3 Did *I* actually hang out with her outside of the shop?

C4 Did she asked me to go hang out with her too?

C5 Was she trying to rinse me for shopping? or really hang out cuz she's tired of just spreading her legs at the shop

C6 Did I fuck her outside of the shop? In the car, in the hotel, etc.

C7 Did I take her overnight? Did she ask me to take her overnight? (Its free duh, paying gains no Chad points)

C8 Did we talk about the future - relax, sometimes this is just banter. She can have a dream and you can sink a deeper hook if you have the stomach to handle it.

C9 Ci Does she want you to come see her every day or does she get jealous if she knows you're fucking someone else and she'd considered it cheating. This implies emotional connection exists.

C10 Did we go on a trip somewhere together? Domestic? Overseas?

C10.1 Did she want to introduce you to her family in her home country? Dangerous territory.

[VidLover69]

LOL. Don't "sour grapes" the poor boy. Let him have his fun. But I hope he's not foolish enough to book a hotel for the day; they don't want sex on their day off.

LOL. I didn't mean to ruin virgin dude's first outside excursion with a jgirl. I like variety so my perspective is different than yours. Investing so much into a jgirl seems like a lot when I could be using that time to bang other jgirls.

DK, so what other master level tips do you have for our young friend other than don't book a hotel room?

[DrunkenKid]

"day out UTR" sounds like you have to be her NYC tour guide and sugar daddy for a whole day. That "free BBFS" better be worth it.

LOL. Don't "sour grapes" the poor boy. Let him have his fun. But I hope he's not foolish enough to book a hotel for the day; they don't want sex on their day off.

[VidLover69]

I got a LINE more recently and have a real name for the first time though. Somehow also converted that into a commitment for a day out UTR on my first try too. Channeled the inner chad for that. The batting average can only do downhill from here.

Grats on your first golden ticket. You should be able to trade it in for free BBFS for as long as she is here.

"day out UTR" sounds like you have to be her NYC tour guide and sugar daddy for a whole day. That "free BBFS" better be worth it.

[DrunkenKid]

I got a LINE more recently and have a real name for the first time though. Somehow also converted that into a commitment for a day out UTR on my first try too. Channeled the inner chad for that. The batting average can only do downhill from here.

Grats on your first golden ticket. You should be able to trade it in for free BBFS for as long as she is here.

[Almost Virgin]

Yura MK - 5'7" 121 lb mystery tall girl.

Sachiko SE https://nycsmilingeyes.com/view/20355 Back at SE for just the weekend.

[DrunkenKid]

But seriously, if you want to drop Rino off your vast jgirl collection on line, I'm sure she has plenty of other regs to keep her busy.

I am entertained. I was just wondering how extensive her newsletter fan group was. LOL.

[Genghis Dong]

Pics are her just glammed up a little, usual cute j girl slender small boobs nice j booty and very friendly that really DFKs from Osaka. 100/200 yada yada. Nice tight shaved pussy. They rarely have 2 good j girls at once. Well today they do.

[VidLover69]

I've only seen her like 4 or 5 times total. /shrug.

LOL. That's like 10 shots of cum that you pumped into Rino.

But seriously, if you want to drop Rino off your vast jgirl collection on line, I'm sure she has plenty of other regs to keep her busy.

[Almost Virgin]

It wasn't Rino but if you stick around long enough, you'll learn that the regulars here have different ATFs.

Speaking of Rino, are you on her newsletter? She's on Line all the time. Am I the only one that gets messages & pictures from her every 3 to 4 days?

Nah, I didn't want to push my luck with asking for a video session and and also asking Rino for her LINE for the first time at the same time. Was nervous enough with the video already LOL.

But I played it cool enough so she did not seem to know I was a total video Virgin.

I got a LINE more recently and have a real name for the first time though. Somehow also converted that into a commitment for a day out UTR on my first try too. Channeled the inner chad for that. The batting average can only do downhill from here.

[DrunkenKid]

She likes staying in contact with her regulars. LOL.

I've only seen her like 4 or 5 times total. /shrug.

[VidLover69]

It wasn't Rino but if you stick around long enough, you'll learn that the regulars have different ATFs.

Speaking of Rino, are you on her newsletter? She's on Line all the time. Am I the only one that gets messages & pictures from her every 3 to 4 days?

She likes staying in contact with her regulars. LOL.

[DrunkenKid]

Balloons? Rino coming back already?

It wasn't Rino but if you stick around long enough, you'll learn that the regulars here have different ATFs.

Speaking of Rino, are you on her newsletter? She's on Line all the time. Am I the only one that gets messages & pictures from her every 3 to 4 days?