Massage Parlor Reports

[SageSix]

Everyone has different views of value. Like the guy who asked the Streetwalker how much for a hand job. She said 60 he said thanks. I wanted to see how much I was saving myself everyday.

Tips, I usually do not give a tip if the amount for extras was negotiated before hand. The house fee is fixed in my opinion. Kind of like tipping the coffee girl. My god You add the price of a tip to the coffee and its out of the world for any type of value 5 coffee beans and hot water poured into a cup.

However if the girl really goes above and beyond and does what I want her to do or perform. Then again if nothing was negotiated before hand. I am more generous. It seems Many times I have had the girl very happy and pleased with the amount I gave her. IF they get used to you and know you are a person who pays well and is consistent. You will get treated well. Like a restaurant I used to Frequent, I tipped well and was always taken care of Way ahead of anyone else. Sometimes they would ask a customer to slide over so I can have a seat if I was in the bar. I do not mind paying for service.

Back to places. So many new places So little time. I have been meaning to try the place on Powell and 148th. Its been a long time since I have been there. Short of reading back a long ways. Any updates.

Have a great day guys and girls.

Very well written and aligned with what I'm trying to convey.

Have a nice day to you too.

[Amp Guide]

Everyone has different views of value. Like the guy who asked the Streetwalker how much for a hand job. She said 60 he said thanks. I wanted to see how much I was saving myself everyday.

Tips, I usually do not give a tip if the amount for extras was negotiated before hand. The house fee is fixed in my opinion. Kind of like tipping the coffee girl. My god You add the price of a tip to the coffee and its out of the world for any type of value 5 coffee beans and hot water poured into a cup.

However if the girl really goes above and beyond and does what I want her to do or perform. Then again if nothing was negotiated before hand. I am more generous. It seems Many times I have had the girl very happy and pleased with the amount I gave her. IF they get used to you and know you are a person who pays well and is consistent. You will get treated well. Like a restaurant I used to Frequent, I tipped well and was always taken care of Way ahead of anyone else. Sometimes they would ask a customer to slide over so I can have a seat if I was in the bar. I do not mind paying for service.

Back to places. So many new places So little time. I have been meaning to try the place on Powell and 148th. Its been a long time since I have been there. Short of reading back a long ways. Any updates.

Have a great day guys and girls.

[SageSix]

Money collected before service is a fee. Money paid after a service without previously discussing the amount is a tip. Many times reviews are written about shop fee plus tips. Tips means more than one, how many times are you and others tipping a provider? Both have nothing to do with ones income but what a service or product is worth. The market determines the product or service worth.

False shortages of a product or fake info suggesting a product is worth more than the market supports is designed for uninformed people who just follow the herd. Your tipping guidelines are irrelevant for providers.

Those aren't guidelines or my guidelines per se, just analyzing and sharing my personal subjective opinion on the subject matters. Illustrating 15% or 20% as tipping preference/option like what we see on a POS machine just further demonstrate that's a tipping *option* and it doesn't justify *market price*. Just like how we tip providers.

Like you reinforced yourself, House (FEE) and provider (Tips) are two different categories. Fee is set standard value that one always pay and (TIPS) is discretional amount that we decide what we want to pay. Sharing what one or few pay for tips is one thing, but trying to manipulate or standardize something base what few handful of people pay and called it a *Market Price* is on a totally different scale. Just want to point that out!

Buying power is merely to POINT OUT, what's fair or not fair in your book isn't the same for me or others. That's just logic don't need to debate over common sense.

To put it in plain English, some member pay $200 and think that's fair market value, some might think that's a lot, some might think that's not a lot. That's literally all I'm saying don't need to over analyzed something very simple. Just because someone pay $200 and *think* its the so call *market value* and had success with it, doesn't give them the right to call out someone who pays more than $200. That's all there is to it. People who pay higher can also agree or disagree with it. When few members wonder why Mixedplate89 get some of the stuff other hasn't experience then one might ponder why? Maybe he's handsome or charming or just simply pay *MORE*?

This is a general issue with this forum, just like when some member like to post long reviews. If you don't like to read it then do yourself and everyone a favor just skip it. No harm done ^_^

[OneOne9]

In general, when something is pre-determined and has fixed value like house fee we can spent time analyzing what's their fair market value.

Tips is discretional in nature and determined by customer discretion base on their liking. Remember, everyone's experience and expectation and liking are all different.

Some general base guidelines for Tipping world are 15% to 20% and if you received a exceptional service you can tip over 20%.

If you have been blessed to have an abundance, I would encourage you to tip anybody you feel drawn to and whatever you feel comfortable with.

If you don't have much (that's fine) or just don't want to pay (more) than what you believe the market price (subjective opinion base on buying power) should be, that's fine too.

Whatever strategy have shared and advised here, in the end of day we are all different individual and as long as you pay what you think it's worth YOU WILL BE FINE. You are only responsible for yourself and nobody else.

Money collected before service is a fee. Money paid after a service without previously discussing the amount is a tip. Many times reviews are written about shop fee plus tips. Tips means more than one, how many times are you and others tipping a provider? Both have nothing to do with ones income but what a service or product is worth. The market determines the product or service worth.

False shortages of a product or fake info suggesting a product is worth more than the market supports is designed for uninformed people who just follow the herd. Your tipping guidelines are irrelevant for providers.

[SageSix]

That works too.

It's a cultural thing. These girls have grown up negotiating for a lot of things and it's just a part of life. We don't do it often here and most people in the West are uncomfortable with it.

I spent quite a bit of time in China and in the touristy areas I would see people way overpay for things because they were basing the price on what they thought they would pay here and they were uncomfortable negotiating. The sellers knew this and took advantage.

Offering a fair price and walking away is what works the best. You can't underpay because they'll just let you keep walking. The trick there is to determine a fair price, which takes getting a few no's and adjusting accordingly. We have the advantage of this group to learn what others are paying. In the end you have to decide what it's worth to you because there are a lot of other things you can get with the same amount of money.

In general, when something is pre-determined and has fixed value like house fee we can spent time analyzing what's their fair market value.

Tips is discretional in nature and determined by customer discretion base on their liking. Remember, everyone's experience and expectation and liking are all different.

Some general base guidelines for Tipping world are 15% to 20% and if you received a exceptional service you can tip over 20%.

If you have been blessed to have an abundance, I would encourage you to tip anybody you feel drawn to and whatever you feel comfortable with.

If you don't have much (that's fine) or just don't want to pay (more) than what you believe the market price (subjective opinion base on buying power) should be, that's fine too.

Whatever strategy have shared and advised here, in the end of day we are all different individual and as long as you pay what you think it's worth YOU WILL BE FINE. You are only responsible for yourself and nobody else.

[Trumpeter]

That works too.

It's a cultural thing. These girls have grown up negotiating for a lot of things and it's just a part of life. We don't do it often here and most people in the West are uncomfortable with it.

I spent quite a bit of time in China and in the touristy areas I would see people way overpay for things because they were basing the price on what they thought they would pay here and they were uncomfortable negotiating. The sellers knew this and took advantage.

Offering a fair price and walking away is what works the best. You can't underpay because they'll just let you keep walking. The trick there is to determine a fair price, which takes getting a few no's and adjusting accordingly. We have the advantage of this group to learn what others are paying. In the end you have to decide what it's worth to you because there are a lot of other things you can get with the same amount of money.

I kind of agree with you, but I never get involved in bidding. I offer a price and that is first and final offer.

[OneOne9]

What you're doing is negotiating. You're offering a price for services and walking away if they say no. You're just pre-negotiating to avoid useless travel.

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I kind of agree with you, but I never get involved in bidding. I offer a price and that is first and final offer.

Like usual I did a poor job of explaining. Examples 2 and 3 would be if I just walked into a shop and depending on the vibe would determine when I would make my offer.

[Trumpeter]

What you're doing is negotiating. You're offering a price for services and walking away if they say no. You're just pre-negotiating to avoid useless travel.

1. I send them a text and ask if xxx / xx is ok. If they reply with an ok or come I will go and discuss what I want for xxx. If they say no, not a biggie.

2. When I arrive and we go to the room I tell them I have xxx and what I expect. Once again if they say no, no biggie.

3. When I arrive I pay the shop fee, at the flip I tell them what I have and expect.

I very seldom walk but IMHO always make a fair offer but never consider what the over payers are claiming to pay.

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[MixedPlate89]

Honestly, I'm about your $$$ range and bit higher and I'm a hardcore Chinese agency veteran so I know what service I can request (when I see agency girl working in AMP) so I pay them base on their services.

Of course, nothing wrong with sticking with what you pay! Also, nothing wrong with going with what rest of the monger pay.

In the end of day, no one knows what you pay other than yourself!

All good. Yeah It's subjective tbh on what's "low," and what's,"high," or what's, "fair," etc. For me, I'm willing to part with $260 at the very highest. Idc what others pay it's not my money so I'm not gon judge them or say they paying too high or too low etc. The end game is to get poonani LOL from a chick you find attractive at AMP's. Of course in an ideal world I'd like to pay $180-200, as most are suggesting & I've tried. For me, I'm not going to haggle or debate or make it to a pt where the chick becomes focused on that & it decreases the service & now she becomes bitter & ain't giving me good service where it's rushed or whatever so I am willing to pay premium price. If I deem it to be cool. I'm a business guy so if things are valued than a "higher price," may be required & I'm willing to pay that if I want product or service X given I budget well, make good money etch & it's money I'm willing to lose so I'm good.

That's how I see it at least. It's all good though. You're right. I respect folks perspectives on this though so it's all a learning experience for me as a rookie AMP cat.

[OneOne9]

Whether you're haggling over the price of a massage and extras or a suitcase in a shop in Shanghai, the key is to be willing to walk out. Have a price, and if they don't like it, leave. You can start on the lower side, so you come up a little and meet in the middle, but know you're top price, and don't go over.

only take that amount in with me, so I can tell them that's all I have. That way they can't convince you to go higher when the little brain is trying to take control.

1. You can't cheat them because they can always say no too.

1. I send them a text and ask if xxx / xx is ok. If they reply with an ok or come I will go and discuss what I want for xxx. If they say no, not a biggie.

2. When I arrive and we go to the room I tell them I have xxx and what I expect. Once again if they say no, no biggie.

3. When I arrive I pay the shop fee, at the flip I tell them what I have and expect.

I very seldom walk but IMHO always make a fair offer but never consider what the over payers are claiming to pay.

[SageSix]

Yes. I tried for $200 for boom boom, plus hr massage & she wasn't having it LOL XD. We negotiated & I said $220, she maintained on $250, I said $240 take it or leave it & that was that LOL. $200 hasn't worked for me often but at times it has. Last time was with candy, at nice spa but it was a little bit of a haggle, as I shared my experience with her in a review here, approximately 2-3 weeks ago or so. I do think I may need to be much more firm on $200, but to me I'm okay with giving $220-260 tops & I won't go further than $260. I'm curious on what's your advice or tactics on negotiating or if you frequent these AMP's a lot more than me that perhaps assists you in landing $200 much more often than I do if you don't mind sharing.

I've just started going to AMP's, for nearing 3 months now so I am a rookie / boot LOL when it comes to this shit. I ain't trying to haggle & ruin the mood, between the masseuse & I. To be fair, although candy did slightly complain about it the service was still good, but she is in her mid 40's & a MILF, so idk if that factors in cause most of these young chicks probably unlikely to do that, at least from my experience, but I don't have as much rapport with them. They're probably 3-4 shops I have major rapport with & gone to multiple times, but I like to try new shops often so that could be why, also why they won't take $200. I've tried a lot of times though. For me, I take Public transportation everywhere so if I am traveling from for example Beaverton to Vancouver to get FS, and it takes 2 hrs LOL I ain't trying to take my ball & go home or go to other shops LOL and waste more time so that also factors in for me.

Only way I do that is if I am with my boy D if we go together, as he drives etc & I don't. That's also a factor for me compared to likely most folks on this forum. I'll continue to try $200. I'm sure I'll get some takers. I usually get an hr. Perhaps trying hh with boom boom can get me there more often or just straight into boom boom. I'm all ears if you got any tips. Thanks in advance.

Honestly, I'm about your $$$ range and bit higher and I'm a hardcore Chinese agency veteran so I know what service I can request (when I see agency girl working in AMP) so I pay them base on their services.

Of course, nothing wrong with sticking with what you pay! Also, nothing wrong with going with what rest of the monger pay.

In the end of day, no one knows what you pay other than yourself!

[SageSix]

Was passing by and decided to check Candy but since I rarely in the area figured I'd check other places first.

So, moving East to West stopped at Hollywood on Powell and 148th, two girls one old one in her mid 30's, slim, plain face with a hint of cuteness. I didn't expect I'd be staying and was about to exit but she was pretty insistent and I figure why not. 2 for all, which included untranslated French and boom boom. Massage was decent if a bit light but she asked if light was ok and I said yes. French was decent to good, boom boom was meh. Once she took her scrubs there was a pair of very nice natural B / C tatas with pink large conical nipples but she didn't have much shape down from there albeit being slim and no ass to speak of. I was on a road for a long time and with lacklaster boom boom finish wasn't in the cards so I thanked and left at the end of my hour. Not bad but not great either, not worth a repeat in my book.

Next, I parked at Safeway on Powell and 122nd and walked to checkout Pink (all three remaining places are walking distance from that Safeway). Only one girl working and too plain to be interesting, mid to late 30's and not much shape to her body unless the dress was hiding it, not fat though.

Next, Azure, I was met by Vivi, she looks good enough in her dress, ask to see another girl but she was pulling me in the room and I didn't fight it. Told her about the price they advertise online, she was cool with that but untranslated French would require a tip which I was cool with in turn. Vivi looks to be late 30's, good make up, dressed well.

There was a modicum of massage but seems like she knows what she's doing. Unfortunately, once her dress came of the body was not that great looking as one could have imagined. Nothing too bad and she's slim but a bit of loose skin around belly, not much in the ass department and her man mades are a bit misshapen and of slightly different sizes. That didn't affect performance though, very good French and she switched backed to it a couple of times from boom boom. Overall, it was fairly good despite the drawbacks.

Was pondering if I should leave at this point but it was time to take a work call so I grabbed a snack and did that from my car. Since I was already there decided to visit Candy too.

Was met by Momo, saw two other girls (not ounting the mamasan) in the hall, was told Annie is unavailable. Can't say I impressed by their looks. Momo was good though, a bit of a boyish build to her body but cute face, late 20's / early 30's, decent man mades and the service was up to the Kgirls standards. Damage was 2 on top of the house fee for the hour, was told it would have been 2 including the house fee for half.

Bro, 4 shop in 1 day? Or different days? That's hardcore!

Yes, lots of girl rotating at Candy are Chinese agencies girl that venture into AMP. This month, I had went to Hollywood, Love, Nine and Candy and Momo is still by far the most energetic.

1) Hollywood girls quality are slowly declining compare to 2 years ago and their major draw back are their walls is not against ceiling and you can hear almost anything that's happening in the shop. Won't repeat.

2) Love is limited with 2 room, so sometimes you have to wait and my Zoey experience is similar to what others has share. Young but not attractive and she loves to compliment how you look physically and literally everything about you and that's a little fakey for me. LOL.

3) Nine Spa, located in Aloha a bit far away from SE Portland side and I was running errand and decided to give it a shot. Girl name is NiNi? Mid to late 30 looking and she will not take off her cloth all the way, maybe to hide birth scar or belly? Mediocre CBJ, boring FS and everything is average or below average definitely won't repeat. She's accompanied by another older lady in her late 40's, probably shop owner or Mamasan. Beaverton / Aloha / Tigard region in general isn't on par with Portland.

4) Candy, their service queen Annie is back like some have mentioned with enhancement. Haven't gone back yet we will see. TBD

[Trumpeter]

Whether you're haggling over the price of a massage and extras or a suitcase in a shop in Shanghai, the key is to be willing to walk out. Have a price, and if they don't like it, leave. You can start on the lower side, so you come up a little and meet in the middle, but know you're top price, and don't go over.

I only take that amount in with me, so I can tell them that's all I have. That way they can't convince you to go higher when the little brain is trying to take control.

You can't cheat them because they can always say no too.

[MixedPlate89]

Oh it's like that?

Homie, ain't nobody saying it didn't happen. More surprised a rarity like that occurred and, it should happen more often.

What I stated was literally the expression of finding a curly fry in your standard order of fries.

Going around calling others narrow minded while you're taking everything personally is wild, sir.

Nonetheless, your contributions and reviews around here are much appreciated.

Yeah I probably came on too strong. A lot of cats came at me via DM & on here & some positive in DM & on here the forum so my bad. Since this response I had to adjust cause as I said I ain't here for beef or trying to prove others wrong or right etc. To me as I said to others before your response here is I ain't invested in going back & forth & trying to argue with cats who are seasoned vets with this AMP shit. I don't care that much. If cats don't believe it cool. If they believe it cool. Is what it is.

You yeah bro, you ain't saying that. Others they have. However, most were passive aggressive whereas I'm direct & after I went at them, as they attempted to deliberately prove me wrong for this community, because as I stated in replies my experience isn't relative to theirs so they had issue with it. The way they worded it suggested otherwise. I'm not taking it personally bro. It's not that deep LOL for me at all. I've never been on here & never will be on here trying to prove people right or wrong. I'm simply addressing folks given cats DM'ing me on my experiences & are & on here co-signing one another instead of directly responding to me, being passive aggressive, because it enforces their echo chamber of agreement of their experiences with other seasoned AMP cats.

That's what I'm referring to as, being narrow minded & I'm not saying Everyone I'm saying those clearly who think I'm lying because my experiences don't sound like theirs. I think they're better ways to communicate with folks & most don't know how to which is why there is a misunderstanding here. I do appreciate the response & that you find value in it. I've decided to keep it basic on reviews & summarize given I ain't trying to start shit but I will address it & than after that I end the convo & don't reply back after I address it.

[MixedPlate89]

Is the $240 including the hour house fee? So $70 + $170? In my experience that's way on the high side.

Yes. I tried for $200 for boom boom, plus hr massage & she wasn't having it LOL XD. We negotiated & I said $220, she maintained on $250, I said $240 take it or leave it & that was that LOL. $200 hasn't worked for me often but at times it has. Last time was with candy, at nice spa but it was a little bit of a haggle, as I shared my experience with her in a review here, approximately 2-3 weeks ago or so. I do think I may need to be much more firm on $200, but to me I'm okay with giving $220-260 tops & I won't go further than $260. I'm curious on what's your advice or tactics on negotiating or if you frequent these AMP's a lot more than me that perhaps assists you in landing $200 much more often than I do if you don't mind sharing.

I've just started going to AMP's, for nearing 3 months now so I am a rookie / boot LOL when it comes to this shit. I ain't trying to haggle & ruin the mood, between the masseuse & I. To be fair, although candy did slightly complain about it the service was still good, but she is in her mid 40's & a MILF, so idk if that factors in cause most of these young chicks probably unlikely to do that, at least from my experience, but I don't have as much rapport with them. They're probably 3-4 shops I have major rapport with & gone to multiple times, but I like to try new shops often so that could be why, also why they won't take $200. I've tried a lot of times though. For me, I take Public transportation everywhere so if I am traveling from for example Beaverton to Vancouver to get FS, and it takes 2 hrs LOL I ain't trying to take my ball & go home or go to other shops LOL and waste more time so that also factors in for me.

Only way I do that is if I am with my boy D if we go together, as he drives etc & I don't. That's also a factor for me compared to likely most folks on this forum. I'll continue to try $200. I'm sure I'll get some takers. I usually get an hr. Perhaps trying hh with boom boom can get me there more often or just straight into boom boom. I'm all ears if you got any tips. Thanks in advance.