NoVA SugarBabies

[BuckNaked84]

Waste time?

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...9-6dd9d3dd233e

Yes, she replied that she has a sister. LOL.

[BuckNaked84]

Personally, working at a disadvantage.

1. Post as married.

2. No profile pics at all (share covered face via SA text, and delete if doesn't get them offline).

3. Only 8-9's only (hide the rest). Prefer I'd verified*.

4. I have Facecheck, so I assume they do to. I Never share a face pic at all (ever).

5. Over 60, so age gap is usually 40+.

6. Always discuss expectations / boundaries via text.

7. Usually texting with Tito's in my hand, so not a good idea.

8. Surprising easy to get offline without a picture, but harder to close (thanks Titos).

It still works, but volume effort required, and not many new faces in the demographic searching. 5 yr average is 1/ mo.

Renewed last week, and a few new faces, so. Who knows. Wish I had known in my 40's.

Fwiw. Facecheck will cut your time by 2/3. All the fakes (100%) have to steal photos from somewhere. Most show up on Facecheck. 3 today 🥲. Honestly too much effort for little reward (as opposed to easy reward with no effort).

[Arty33]

Yeah, Arty has his perspective, it isn't the only one.

I've operated at about that level in the past, but it isn't to be expected that all SBs are expecting to be able to live on their own w / the support of just one guy. That is, don't believe that making them a kept woman is your goal. Not all are looking for this, though some definitely are. In my area, southern California, there are definitely smoking hot girls who expect to get an apartment and a car out of an exclusive SD. I am not a Rolls-Royce SD like that, more like a BMW. LOL.

Right, my methods suit my preferences. I also like them to be bb and cip, while getting them to be bb from first date on has not been a problem, the second one takes a bit of work and some never get there. Therefore the somewhat premium is for them to justify these things and somewhat being exclusive. I chose the type of girls carefully since I do bb and cip, I want to make sure she's likely clean, and I have my ways to get a reasonable understanding on this. Others may have different preferences, and that's fine.

[TomFordModel]

Every single one outclasses the round face Asian from last post. Not 400 for a reason.

You need to look past the face!! A majority of the seeking girls are filtered they look just as good or worse than round face plus they're fat!

The insta girls in posted they look like their photos. Damn, I missed the good one days.

[BuckNaked84]

But they will emerge. Girls on the site forever likely no, but sometimes circles back work.

[BuckNaked84]

It's all fat, ghetto, and the somewhat decent girls think they're worth 1 k and at best they're a 6.

The good old days of 400 for these.

https://www.instagram.com/_its_hawa_...YzOWV1dGhnc2pz

https://www.instagram.com/peachforth...AxbGh1enF3dg==

https://www.instagram.com/mariapaula...ZzaHNvN3NleA==

Every single one outclasses the round face Asian from last post. Not 400 for a reason.

[BuckNaked84]

Forgot to mention. If a profile only has I'd verified, or I'd verified + Selfie, they will not show up in regular search. Odd, but how SA incompetence work.

Always toggle I'd verified as a second search. Girls probably don't know, and most SDs probably don't either. SQL or vs SQL and.

[BuckNaked84]

This is a great post! Do a lot of what is outlined but will fine tune my game. My # of SB's is much higher in past year, but 300 is the # you should be looking for! Can't always get there, but its enough for most for their time. Some will still hold out for 5 or say they never go below 8, etc. This is a fun game, to try and get them for the lowest amount and then have them be ok with that amount for continuous times. I only go for for 8's or better so you will miss out on a few, but even those you can have for 5, and if you follow the game plan can possibly get some to be ok with 3 moving forward. We all are looking for the unicorn, but they are as well and for them, they also want to feel safe, have fun, and in their minds make sure they are valued. In their minds, the higher the # the higher the value, but they also would rather be spending their time with someone who they feel safe with and treats them nicely. They all have been on enough bad dates that the good ones stand out and those are the ones they are willing to take a little less from so they avoid the headaches.

Personally, working at a disadvantage.

1. Post as married.

2. No profile pics at all (share covered face via SA text, and delete if doesn't get them offline).

3. Only 8-9's only (hide the rest). Prefer I'd verified*.

4. I have Facecheck, so I assume they do to. I Never share a face pic at all (ever).

5. Over 60, so age gap is usually 40+.

6. Always discuss expectations / boundaries via text.

7. Usually texting with Tito's in my hand, so not a good idea.

8. Surprising easy to get offline without a picture, but harder to close (thanks Titos).

It still works, but volume effort required, and not many new faces in the demographic searching. 5 yr average is 1/ mo.

Renewed last week, and a few new faces, so. Who knows. Wish I had known in my 40's.

[FarFarAway]

Yeah, Arty has his perspective, it isn't the only one.

I've operated at about that level in the past, but it isn't to be expected that all SBs are expecting to be able to live on their own w / the support of just one guy. That is, don't believe that making them a kept woman is your goal. Not all are looking for this, though some definitely are. In my area, southern California, there are definitely smoking hot girls who expect to get an apartment and a car out of an exclusive SD. I am not a Rolls-Royce SD like that, more like a BMW. LOL.

[Arty33]

So you on average pay 500 per meet.

Pretty much, sometimes even more for the right girl, depends, recently had a high achiever pyt sb, who was very UTR and I gave her extra to go along with a rich experience of sugar dating with a very smart and pretty girl. My current SB hosts, there's something nice about being in her bedroom vs. A random hotel. Saves on hotels and I pass that on to her.

[TomFordModel]

It's all fat, ghetto, and the somewhat decent girls think they're worth 1 k and at best they're a 6.

The good old days of 400 for these.

https://www.instagram.com/_its_hawa_...YzOWV1dGhnc2pz

https://www.instagram.com/peachforth...AxbGh1enF3dg==

https://www.instagram.com/mariapaula...ZzaHNvN3NleA==

[TomFordModel]

When they hit you up for a deposit / gas money, etc before the meetup you'll know it's not her. Her tiktok never places her in DC.

She seems real. She wants to meet by her apt complex. Probably isn't the same face girl but using someone similar.

The pics she sent. She's too fat for me. I don't even want to bother driving into ghetto ass dc for that.

[PRMan12]

The MO is all great, similar to mine, and I've had great luck finding some gems. Rarely have gone below 8's, sometimes 7's if cheap and one off, many 9's (slim, fit, petite, young), and rarely above 30. My average age has been 25 ish. Included college freshman, 18 year old, up to 29 year old professionals. So it works. That said, I just don't think I'll surprise you at end of date with an envelope works for any of them I have met. May be before 2019, it worked, and $300 was okay. I just don't how your SB's have no expenses or being able to get by with $300, given you may see her max once per week, that's just $1200. Her rent alone will be more than that, unless she's in a ghetto. My SBs are younger and many are finding their way in life, building their financial base. They need at least around $2 k or more from sugaring to ease their lifestyle. I just can't meet them 6-7 times a month and they can't either. Also, we will both get tired of each other more than once a week. I like variety.

So, if they are taking $300, that means she has other SDs on side, and she has a very low self esteem, is not the true 8's, and 9's I am speaking of. I don't have an issue with her having other SDs, and they almost certainly have fuck buddies their age on side, I am under no illusion on this, although taking care of her will ensure she slows that down, since she has less needs to go find another SD for money. Anyhow, the average rates are in $2 k month, with 3-4 meets. I have one now that I am giving that much and saw her 4 times this month. She's ready to see one more time, although I am not interested since I can't get excited with same girl that many times a months. When I don't see her for a week or two then I get the spark again. So, for me $2 k a month with max 4 meets, and sometimes just 3 is the sweet spot. The money really is for her expenses, and they need it. It's a simple matter of economics.

So you on average pay 500 per meet.

[Arty33]

This is a great post! Do a lot of what is outlined but will fine tune my game. My # of SB's is much higher in past year, but 300 is the # you should be looking for! Can't always get there, but its enough for most for their time. Some will still hold out for 5 or say they never go below 8, etc. This is a fun game, to try and get them for the lowest amount and then have them be ok with that amount for continuous times. I only go for for 8's or better so you will miss out on a few, but even those you can have for 5, and if you follow the game plan can possibly get some to be ok with 3 moving forward. We all are looking for the unicorn, but they are as well and for them, they also want to feel safe, have fun, and in their minds make sure they are valued. In their minds, the higher the # the higher the value, but they also would rather be spending their time with someone who they feel safe with and treats them nicely. They all have been on enough bad dates that the good ones stand out and those are the ones they are willing to take a little less from so they avoid the headaches.

The MO is all great, similar to mine, and I've had great luck finding some gems. Rarely have gone below 8's, sometimes 7's if cheap and one off, many 9's (slim, fit, petite, young), and rarely above 30. My average age has been 25 ish. Included college freshman, 18 year old, up to 29 year old professionals. So it works. That said, I just don't think I'll surprise you at end of date with an envelope works for any of them I have met. May be before 2019, it worked, and $300 was okay. I just don't how your SB's have no expenses or being able to get by with $300, given you may see her max once per week, that's just $1200. Her rent alone will be more than that, unless she's in a ghetto. My SBs are younger and many are finding their way in life, building their financial base. They need at least around $2 k or more from sugaring to ease their lifestyle. I just can't meet them 6-7 times a month and they can't either. Also, we will both get tired of each other more than once a week. I like variety.

So, if they are taking $300, that means she has other SDs on side, and she has a very low self esteem, is not the true 8's, and 9's I am speaking of. I don't have an issue with her having other SDs, and they almost certainly have fuck buddies their age on side, I am under no illusion on this, although taking care of her will ensure she slows that down, since she has less needs to go find another SD for money. Anyhow, the average rates are in $2 k month, with 3-4 meets. I have one now that I am giving that much and saw her 4 times this month. She's ready to see one more time, although I am not interested since I can't get excited with same girl that many times a months. When I don't see her for a week or two then I get the spark again. So, for me $2 k a month with max 4 meets, and sometimes just 3 is the sweet spot. The money really is for her expenses, and they need it. It's a simple matter of economics.

[Old Chinese Guy]

So, this was my approach when I was in the bowl.

The approach works with many new to Seeking girls who don't want to admit to themselves that they are selling their pussy. It is based on the premiss that the party that has the money calls the shots and that there are MANY POT SB out-there and very few "real" SD's. Also lines up with their desire to be "spoiled". Heck, sometimes new SBs with platonic in their profile would head to the FC with me after the M&G. Most headed to the FC on date 2.

Over 12 months this worked for me with 13 SB, all bare, 50% CIP. I am no longer in the game, I hit the lottery (figuratively) my last SB is now SO, since 2019,38 year age gap. HAHA, life is very good.

Guidelines:

1. Craft your profile as an experienced SD looking for a new SB after a previous LT SR ended due to SB moving away, finding someone in RL, etc. Say in your profile that you will absolutely never ask them to meet you at a hotel on a first meet and also you are not looking for a platonic SB, you are looking for a real connection. Again. Say in your profile that you are looking for a real connection with the right lady, intimacy is not expected but as in normal relationships, if there is a connection, intimacy will quickly and naturally follow.

2. In the DM's. Never discuss money with the POT SB. When she presses, say first you are sure that this does not apply to her but you are not looking for a working girl, prostitute, escort, or anyone looking to be paid for sex. You are looking for a smart, sexy SB to connect with and help financially. Say that the way that you will help is that at the end of a date (with adult fun) you will give her an envelope. This way YOU decide how much to give. Tell her that you are looking to meet weekly and after 2 or 3 months you can switch to a monthly envelope..

Good advice and strategy. It does avoid the senseless negotiation upfront and basically screens the fackos out and forces trust on the part of the SB. I've had my share of SBs and I concur the going rate is and should be 300. Prices are driven up when inexperienced SDs pay more. Then word gets around that this SB got this much from a SD and expectations go up.

I too am no longer active in the sugar bowl save the one SB I see regularly for a couple of years now (started at 300 and now give a little bit more). Unfortunately, I don't think it will ever progress to more than just a SD-SB relationship. It is hard to progress to something vanilla once the relationship starts on the basis of a financial transaction. Also, we definitely have very different ideas about parenting. I know she'd want kids, I've had mine and not starting from scratch again.

Not saying that a real relationship which starts on a financial basis cannot happen. I used to be close to an escort who ended up meeting a guy on vanilla dating sites and stopped escorting when he married her. But from talking to her over the years, I know that although she might love him, she was and is never in love with him and would leave if the going got bad for any reason, financially or personally. Also he did not know of her alternative life or he would have left her.

So I'd ask oneself if you are in a long term relationship with someone you met either as an escort of SB, especially if there is an almost 40 year age gap (there is an almost 30 year age gap in mine), would she stay if there was no financial stability? I'm pretty sure mine wouldn't. Sex is great but definitely not enough for her to stay if the financial security wasn't there. You really have to put yourself in the shoes of an 20- or 30-something and why they would be with someone 30-40 years older. The experience of an older man is one thing for sure but am pretty sure financial stability is the main reason. That's why I'm back in the vanilla world looking for someone who already has the financial stability I have and they want to be with me for other reasons other than money.