Massage Parlor Reports

**RichieG23** · 01-14-25 13:42

Went in last week and drew Lisa, apparently Cindy's replacement. She's maybe 5' tall at best and probably in her mid 40's at the youngest. Decent body, b cups. Gave a good massage, which is important to me. The main reason I stay here, I've ventured out to a couple of the others, but it's more about the extras at those places. In my experience. So I keep coming back here. Standard finish is all that's available here however. Would appreciate if anyone can send me to a place where you can get a good, solid massage and L2 finish. Total damage was. 6 for hour long massage and I left her 80 roses extra. Be safe gentlemen.

**GoldenLight777** · 01-07-25 22:16

Originally Posted by NCSenior [View Original Post]

Last night the WS City Council approved a new city ordinance that will require all massage parlors to have a state license and each girl to also have a state license. The ordinance goes into effect immediately. Massage parlors will be notified of the new law and its requirements. Each girl will have to have 650 hours of training to get their individual licenses. This will never happen so the new few months will be interesting. Add the new felony law to this and AMPs are in serious trouble.

It was fun while it lasted. I might have to take you guys up on leaving the country.

**MisterDestiny** · 01-07-25 16:28

Originally Posted by NCSenior [View Original Post]

Last night the WS City Council approved a new city ordinance that will require all massage parlors to have a state license and each girl to also have a state license. The ordinance goes into effect immediately. Massage parlors will be notified of the new law and its requirements. Each girl will have to have 650 hours of training to get their individual licenses. This will never happen so the new few months will be interesting. Add the new felony law to this and AMPs are in serious trouble.

We knew this was coming and it seems like the parlors knew it too, because all of them except 2727 have stopped advertising in the massage category on STG. There are still quite a few Asian advertisers in the escort category including 5545, 3532 and a number of places that just give phone numbers with no location. It's hard to say what happens next. What will LE do, if anything? 10 years ago, Canada passed a "Nordic Law" that decriminalized prostitution but that made soliciting a prostitute a serious crime. It has been enforced sporadically in certain parts of the country but in big cities like Montreal, Toronto and Quebec, the law is ignored by LE. Escort agencies, massage parlors and indies advertise and operate openly while providing both incall and outcall services. LE intervenes only in cases of underage girls, drugs or obvious pimping. It's perfectly safe for a client to visit an incall location or to have a girl visit any hotel. So there is the law as it is written and the law as it enforced. I don't think LE in NC will be that tolerant but we will see if things get much worse or stay about the same as now.

**NCSenior** · 01-07-25 12:52

Last night the WS City Council approved a new city ordinance that will require all massage parlors to have a state license and each girl to also have a state license. The ordinance goes into effect immediately. Massage parlors will be notified of the new law and its requirements. Each girl will have to have 650 hours of training to get their individual licenses. This will never happen so the new few months will be interesting. Add the new felony law to this and AMPs are in serious trouble.

**OakenShield** · 12-31-24 13:25

Originally Posted by NCSenior [View Original Post]

The bigger issue will be the soon to be passed massage license ordinance by the WS City Council. It has passed the Safety Committee and will be voted on soon by the entire council and will probably pass. It requires every massage store to have a state issued business license. Since most of the good spas are in residential areas there is no way they will get a business license in a residential zone. Secondly, each girl will have to have a state issued massage license. To get one of these you need 500 hours of training. Since many of these girls hardly stay here 500 hours this won't happen either. This ordinance when enacted will make it easy to shut down all spas that don't follow these rules. The AMP scene in WS will changed dramatically after this ordinance is enacted.

Thanks for sharing. Yes, I'm aware of that ordinance on the table and agree it will probably pass. The North Carolina massage therapist license actually requires 650 hours, increased from 500 hours this past July, of classroom education and then you need to pass a state massage board test that is apparently a difficult exam, especially since it is only in English and most or all of these girls would never be able to read the questions, let alone answer them correctly and pass the exam. The only thing they would be able to do is move their location outside of the Winston-Salem city limits, which I believe this ordinance would not have jurisdiction on. There is one Clemmonsville Road location that is right on the Winston-Salem City Limits line, hopefully that is left alone.

**NCSenior** · 12-31-24 10:44

Originally Posted by OakenShield [View Original Post]

Thanks, I'm fully aware of the new law, I have read through it and will accept that risk, which has always been there. Maybe the higher felony charge will prompt LE to be more proactive, but if they were looking at the major offenders starting with FS, it may take time for them to get to the regular non-FS AMPs, if they even pursue those, who really knows.

One thing I didn't follow in your post "they can get $12,000 per flip up to 10 times", what does that mean, can you elaborate?

The bigger issue will be the soon to be passed massage license ordinance by the WS City Council. It has passed the Safety Committee and will be voted on soon by the entire council and will probably pass. It requires every massage store to have a state issued business license. Since most of the good spas are in residential areas there is no way they will get a business license in a residential zone. Secondly, each girl will have to have a state issued massage license. To get one of these you need 500 hours of training. Since many of these girls hardly stay here 500 hours this won't happen either. This ordinance when enacted will make it easy to shut down all spas that don't follow these rules. The AMP scene in WS will changed dramatically after this ordinance is enacted.

**OakenShield** · 12-30-24 13:54

Originally Posted by NCSenior [View Original Post]

If you read the new law carefully you will see that any touching of genitalia is felony. Therefore the basic happy ending can get you 4 months to a year in jail. Also, if any girl or "boss" wants to flip, they can get $12,000 per flip up to 10 times. Hope this won't happen but you never know. Good luck and stay safe!

Thanks, I'm fully aware of the new law, I have read through it and will accept that risk, which has always been there. Maybe the higher felony charge will prompt LE to be more proactive, but if they were looking at the major offenders starting with FS, it may take time for them to get to the regular non-FS AMPs, if they even pursue those, who really knows.

One thing I didn't follow in your post "they can get $12,000 per flip up to 10 times", what does that mean, can you elaborate?

**NCSenior** · 12-30-24 11:49

Originally Posted by OakenShield [View Original Post]

As I stated previously, I don't go to any FS places, I now only go to one place and see the "boss," and I won't name names, but I feel pretty confident I won't have any problems. I understand there's always a risk, but it's minimal keeping with this one place.

If you read the new law carefully you will see that any touching of genitalia is felony. Therefore the basic happy ending can get you 4 months to a year in jail. Also, if any girl or "boss" wants to flip, they can get $12,000 per flip up to 10 times. Hope this won't happen but you never know. Good luck and stay safe!

**OakenShield** · 12-29-24 15:53

Originally Posted by NCSenior [View Original Post]

LurkyLurk is 100% correct. Read the new law carefully as it says you cash be arrested for "intent". If uncle LEO knows about the FS Spas, and they do, and you're caught in one you could go to jail for 4 months. At the very minimum you will have to go to court, pay a lawyer and have an arrest photo in the public domain. Not a good situation!

As I stated previously, I don't go to any FS places, I now only go to one place and see the "boss," and I won't name names, but I feel pretty confident I won't have any problems. I understand there's always a risk, but it's minimal keeping with this one place.

**MdesGator** · 12-29-24 15:10

Originally Posted by NCSenior [View Original Post]

LurkyLurk is 100% correct. Read the new law carefully as it says you cash be arrested for "intent". If uncle LEO knows about the FS Spas, and they do, and you're caught in one you could go to jail for 4 months. At the very minimum you will have to go to court, pay a lawyer and have an arrest photo in the public domain. Not a good situation!

Exactly, I've been thru this before in another State. It all depends on how they police it, but a SURE way to deter mongers is to arrest and prosecute a few, that will dry up demand, which dries up supply QUICKLY, the girls / AMPs simply go elsewhere.

Sucks I just moved to WS, I Love a good AMP experience. LOL.

**NCSenior** · 12-29-24 10:25

Originally Posted by LurkyLurk [View Original Post]

At the end of the day it is up to you but that assumes IMHO that there is going to be a lack of aggressive policing which I doubt with things being considered a felony. The way it's laid out is a guaranteed prosecutors wet dream by mere "intent" not just getting caught in the act. But again be safe and if anything goes sideways I hope someone post here letting us here know atleast. Asap.

LurkyLurk is 100% correct. Read the new law carefully as it says you cash be arrested for "intent". If uncle LEO knows about the FS Spas, and they do, and you're caught in one you could go to jail for 4 months. At the very minimum you will have to go to court, pay a lawyer and have an arrest photo in the public domain. Not a good situation!

**OakenShield** · 12-29-24 03:42

Originally Posted by NCSenior [View Original Post]

Oaken, if you get caught in one of the FS Spas you can go to jail for a minimum of 4 months (up to a year) and the girl gets nothing. The new law allows no prayer for judgement so you are screwed.

I know we trust alot of our favorites who we see regularly but if you have a bad day you're in jail for 4 months, not sure you would like that.

I don't go to any FS places, I now only go to one place and see the "boss", and ibwont name names but I feel pretty confident I won't have any problems. I understand there's always a risk, but it's minimal keeping with this one place.

**LurkyLurk** · 12-29-24 00:17

Originally Posted by OakenShield [View Original Post]

I don't agree. If I go to a place where I've been before and see a person that I see regularly and trust, I am not affected and have no worries. So how would these new laws affect me in that situation? What am I missing here?

At the end of the day it is up to you but that assumes IMHO that there is going to be a lack of aggressive policing which I doubt with things being considered a felony. The way it's laid out is a guaranteed prosecutors wet dream by mere "intent" not just getting caught in the act. But again be safe and if anything goes sideways I hope someone post here letting us here know atleast. Asap.

**CrylFern** · 12-28-24 23:31

Originally Posted by NCSenior [View Original Post]

Oaken, if you get caught in one of the FS Spas you can go to jail for a minimum of 4 months (up to a year) and the girl gets nothing. The new law allows no prayer for judgement so you are screwed.

I know we trust alot of our favorites who we see regularly but if you have a bad day you're in jail for 4 months, not sure you would like that.

"I came for a massage. I don't know squat about what is going on in those other rooms. ".

**MisterDestiny** · 12-28-24 23:23

Earlier this week I headed to 2727, which is now known as Oasis. As I got close to the location, I saw two WS police cars with lights flashing and sirens on. But they were headed for the scene of an actual crime or emergency and not for Oasis-haha. When I got there there was one car in the lot and one just leaving so business seemed good. There are two ladies there, Eva and Angela, and I don't think either one is the same as other ladies of the same name at other establishments. Angela was busy and I wound up with Eva. She was OK but nowhere near Mina of 3532 in looks. Her massage was not bad and the rest of the session was satisfactory but not good enough to inspire me to make a return trip.

I'm concerned about the new law too but I think that LE will eventually go after the establishments rather than the customers. I agree that it would not be good to be present in such an establishment if LE arrives to shut it down but it would be hard to make a case against a customer just for being present in the business. There has to be proof of solicitation to make a charge stick and I don't think it's possible to prove solicitation against a client when the lady is not a decoy and you're in a private room. LE is more interested in shutting down these establishments completely and the easiest way to do that is to make a case against them for violating laws regulating massage businesses. That's what happened when the golden age of Asian parlors in Greensboro ended abruptly in the early 2000's.