General Reports

[TapDisBong]

I saw a lot of those girls who were "liberated" by the Bellevue and KC police. I remember seeing my ATF 2 days before the raids. There were contractors all over the housing complex where Mischa ran the main AMP. That day my spidey senses were going crazy. My ATF asked me to write a review, which I'm glad I did not because lots of those guys who wrote a review got popped when other mongers would ask in an email if they would recommend the provider. Val Richey and KC got warrants to search email providers for those people who had posted on TRB. If they found any personally identifiable information linking you to your email account and you had something positive to say about a hooker, they busted you.

Anyway, the whole thing was fucking bullshit as it was all funded by Swanee Hunt who wanted to make an example out of hobbyist. During late 2010's Seattle basically experienced the Monger's Salem Witch Hunt funded by a bunch of batshit crazy feminist. They were so worried about people paying for sex that you could get a way with doing drugs on the street and the cops wouldn't do shit.

A small number of them were. The vast majority of them were not. You shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush. That's what the King County prosecutor tried to do. Also, keep in mind, the only person who received a multi-year felony prison sentence was convicted for writing reviews on the internet, so-called "promoting" prostitution. He was NOT convicted of anything related to running a business, or profiting at all from the business.

And if you are referring to LAKS, there was no membership fee. I was a member and I never paid a dime. If someone asked you for money, that was a scam.".

[Taliesin92]

I hadn't gone back far enough in her stuff. She's clearly got a thing for calling out the government on "sex" or "human" trafficking bullshit. May the good lord bless her. Here's another one of hers that I read earlier today, and more recent.

Massage Parlor Panic

https://reason.com/2020/02/02/massage-parlor-panic/

Yes, Elizabeth Nolan Brown is one of the few journalists in the world covering this business in a fair and objective manner. She doesn't shy away from the occasionally ugly side of it, but she's also not afraid to expose the government lies and corruption that infect nearly every prosecution in the pay-for-play world. She deserves more attention for her stellar work, but of course she will never get it. She's made too many enemies by telling the truth.

[RogerOver]

Here's the Reason article:

https://reason.com/2016/09/09/the-tr...x-trafficking/

Pay particular attention when it starts explaining how the District Attorney's narrative fell apart.

"The systematic importation of vulnerable young women for sexual abuse, exploitation, and criminal profiteering has been going on for years and it came to a stop this week," Satterberg added. "This is what human trafficking looks like." ... But as more information about the case has become available, Satterberg's narrative starts to break down. The realityas evidenced by police reports, court documents, online records, and statements from those involvedis far less lurid and depraved. Instead of a story of stark abuse and exploitation, it's a story of immigration, economics, the pull of companionship and connection, the structures and dynamism that drive black markets, and a criminal-justice system all too eager to declare women victims of the choices they make.

I hadn't gone back far enough in her stuff. She's clearly got a thing for calling out the government on "sex" or "human" trafficking bullshit. May the good lord bless her. Here's another one of hers that I read earlier today, and more recent.

Massage Parlor Panic

https://reason.com/2020/02/02/massage-parlor-panic/

[Taliesin92]

How about a link to the non-fake news Reason article you cherish? I'd like to read it. Also, a link to those court documents would be nice if you want folks to see what you keep mentioning.

Here's the Reason article:

https://reason.com/2016/09/09/the-tr...x-trafficking/

Pay particular attention when it starts explaining how the District Attorney's narrative fell apart.

"The systematic importation of vulnerable young women for sexual abuse, exploitation, and criminal profiteering has been going on for years and it came to a stop this week," Satterberg added. "This is what human trafficking looks like." ... But as more information about the case has become available, Satterberg's narrative starts to break down. The realityas evidenced by police reports, court documents, online records, and statements from those involvedis far less lurid and depraved. Instead of a story of stark abuse and exploitation, it's a story of immigration, economics, the pull of companionship and connection, the structures and dynamism that drive black markets, and a criminal-justice system all too eager to declare women victims of the choices they make.

The court documents, as I noted earlier, are available from King County and a pain in the ass to order them and read through such a high volume of material. But for anyone with the wherewithal to do it, the court docs provide great insight into law enforcement lies and corruption. I read them real time, while the case was winding its way through the court system, including the appeals process. The other dismaying aspect of this whole charade was how the press (except for Reason) repeated the District Attorney's lies, when the court docs clearly contradicted what he was saying publicly about "human trafficking" and the girls being "victims" who were forced to work against their will. It was all bullshit, piled on top of bullshit.

https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/dja/c...records-access

King County turned what should have been a minor misdemeanor case into a mountain of illegitimate felony charges that ruined the lives of dozens of good men, nearly all of whom had no criminal record prior to that. Most of the men took plea deals, because they didn't have the resources or the desire to fight the case. Peters fought the law, and lost, because the entire system was determined to railroad him. Any reasonable person who takes the time to look at the actual facts of this case (and not the government and media hysteria) would come to the same conclusion.

[RogerOver]

That's incorrect. You are confusing Peters with a group who owned and maintain The Review Board in the Seattle area. TRB and the so-called League were two separate things. LAKS was a separate thing. Kgirldelights was a separate thing. The prosecution attempted to lump them all together into one ominous sounding criminal organization, when that was NEVER the case. Some members overlapped, but it was not an organized crime ring, nor was Peters charged with any of that in court. He was charged with writing reviews, aka, "promoting prostitution. " All eleven felonies were for writing reviews. Nothing else. Look it up.

If you would read the court documents, or the Reason magazine story (instead of the lying Seattle Times), you would have the correct information.

How about a link to the non-fake news Reason article you cherish? I'd like to read it. Also, a link to those court documents would be nice if you want folks to see what you keep mentioning.

[Taliesin92]

It was because he created and operated the website the reviews were written on.

"Thirty-two men pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution, but Peters who used the handles PeterRabbit and TomCat007 in his sexually explicit, online reviews of prostituted women was the only one to go to trial, according to prosecutors.

He did as much as anyone to build and advance demand for prostitution in the Pacific Northwest, a seven-page case summary written by Senior Deputy Prosecutors Gary Ernsdorff and Ben Gauen says of Peters, noting he financed the creation of a now shuttered website that exclusively advertised prostituted Korean women, known as K girls.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ars-in-prison/

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That's incorrect. You are confusing Peters with a group who owned and maintain The Review Board in the Seattle area. TRB and the so-called League were two separate things. LAKS was a separate thing. Kgirldelights was a separate thing. The prosecution attempted to lump them all together into one ominous sounding criminal organization, when that was NEVER the case. Some members overlapped, but it was not an organized crime ring, nor was Peters charged with any of that in court. He was charged with writing reviews, aka, "promoting prostitution. " All eleven felonies were for writing reviews. Nothing else. Look it up.

If you would read the court documents, or the Reason magazine story (instead of the lying Seattle Times), you would have the correct information.

[Taliesin92]

There is nothing at all the same about the site the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen in Bellevue started and this one.

Who said there was? I never said a word about this site. If I was worried about it, I wouldn't be posting here.

[Admin2]

You need to read all the way to the end. When everything was said and done, there was only one person who got serious prison time (5 years). And it wasn't for soliciting prostitution, or human trafficking, or driving k-girls around town, or leasing apartments for them. His eleven felonies were all based on the reviews that he had written and posted on various sex boards.

I know guys find that hard to believe. But that's exactly what happened. He went to jail for 5 years on felony charges for writing reviews. Not for anything else.

It was because he created and operated the website the reviews were written on.

"Thirty-two men pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution, but Peters — who used the handles “PeterRabbit” and “TomCat007” in his sexually explicit, online reviews of prostituted women — was the only one to go to trial, according to prosecutors.

“He did as much as anyone to build and advance demand for prostitution in the Pacific Northwest,” a seven-page case summary written by Senior Deputy Prosecutors Gary Ernsdorff and Ben Gauen says of Peters, noting he financed the creation of a now shuttered website that exclusively advertised prostituted Korean women, known as “K girls.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ars-in-prison/

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[Admin2]

There is nothing at all the same about the site the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen in Bellevue started and this one. The guy who owned it was in the US, the servers were in the US and he insisted on meeting people before they became members. Those guys used to meet at restaurants around Bellevue and compare stories and didn't care who heard them. Eventually the cops sent somebody around who joined the group and took it apart from the inside.

Our servers are in Malaysia, NONE of us are in the US, not a one of us. The URL is registered in a country that doesn't respond to subpoenas, (see the .nl at the end of the address) and we are not US owned. None of you are known to us, I couldn't authenticate a user if they tried to make us. We don't have your name, no credit card info, no addresses no IP addresses, nothing. We are as anonymous as a site can possibly be. About the only way you could be tied to this site would be if you got caught like DPR did with the site open on your phone or laptop.

This pops up every couple years and some assholes like to tell horror stories.

Some of you guys who have been around might remember that we were closed for a few months after Fosta/Sesta got signed. That's when we moved everything out of the country.

Some of you guys make me laugh with the things you claim to know.

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[Taliesin92]

The one from the internet forum jsut like this one was way more involved than just posts on the forum.

You need to read all the way to the end. When everything was said and done, there was only one person who got serious prison time (5 years). And it wasn't for soliciting prostitution, or human trafficking, or driving k-girls around town, or leasing apartments for them. His eleven felonies were all based on the reviews that he had written and posted on various sex boards.

I know guys find that hard to believe. But that's exactly what happened. He went to jail for 5 years on felony charges for writing reviews. Not for anything else.

[Taliesin92]

I think the cases you bring up are worth knowing about but its a pretty extreme example and outlier.

Of course it is. But it's also a great example of the lengths that law enforcement is willing to go to ruin our lives when they feel like it. As I said, they spent $2. 5 million investigating that case. They spent two years on it. And, yes, there was an undercover cop involved. But it was the electronic surveillance that really did the damage (the IP tracking, the Gmail messages, and the license plate scans). That's what provided the proof they used in court.

There are steps you can take to protect yourself from all of that. Are they 100%? No. But why wouldn't you at least make the effort to protect yourself? Don't give up your real information to bookers. Stay anonymous. Use a VPN. Use encrypted email and text messaging. And, needless to say, don't attend group events with other mongers.

I don't understand why anyone would argue against taking such sensible measures. But I hear guys in this discussion forum arguing against it all the time. Makes no sense.

[Lift Her Up]

The police had several ways of identifying the men. Some were identified by their IP addresses. Their internet service providers gave them up without any objections. The IP addresses connected the men directly to the reviews they posted online. (This is why it's a good idea to use a VPN. Every smart monger I know today uses one.).

Google also gave up tons of information on guys who used what they thought were anonymous Gmail addresses. During one man's trial, many of his Google messages were held up and displayed for the jury to read. (This is why we use encrypted ProtonMail now.).

And some were identified the old fashioned way. When a dozen of the guys got together at a local restaurant, police took photos of their license plates and got their names and addresses from the Washington State Department of Licensing.

Guys who did not attend those types of events, instead, got a knock on the door at their homes. They were arrested in front of their families.

King County spent more than $2. 5 million investigating that case. They were able to get everything they needed without ever witnessing an actual act of prostitution.

Thank you for your straightforward and thorough response. Very helpful.

Lift Her Up.

[Oc Amper]

Any idea how the District Attorney was able to get to his real name from the handle he must've used when posting on that board?

Lift Her Up.

P.S. I tried to abbreviate "District Attorney" but the site's autocorrect changed the common abbreviation to "the. ".

Most websites and discussion boards, including this ONE have logging capability. [Deleted by Admin]

I'm going to delete this because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I they ever subpoenaed us it would be difficult since the owner is Argentine, our answer would be "we are sorry, we don't log IP addresses, we can't help you." If they wanted proof of that they would have to subpoena our servers in Malaysia.

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[Opi7001]

Have you ever heard of Google, my friend? Look it up. Seattle in 2016. Boston and Northern Virginia earlier this year. Countless other cases. Just because it has never happened to you doesn't mean it has never happened.

Do you know the guys in Seattle were busted for writing reviews? Not for soliciting prostitution. Not for human trafficking. For writing reviews on the internet.

"But that's not illegal," I hear you saying. Well, guys in Seattle went to jail for it. And guess who made a plea deal by giving up her client list and telling the cops everything she knew?

Yeah, go look it up. You can read the newspaper articles, but if you really want to know what happened, then read the court documents, as I have. They are public information, and they are very eye-opening. It is easy for any one of us to go to jail for participating in this hobby. The authorities view male customers as the real criminals. If your name winds up on a client list, that is the first step toward some potentially very bad things happening to you.

So I looked up the things you are referencing (we can just ignore the fact that this is part of a CA forum and Seattle isn't relavent) and what happened in those cases, if I'm looking at the correct ones, was exactly what I said was the only possibility. That they setup a sting.

Seattle seems to have some really strict laws specifically that target johns. But all the cases I see are stings.

The one from the internet forum jsut like this one was way more involved than just posts on the forum. These johns were having real life meets ups, which an undercover cop infiltrated, and these johns were involved in moving the girls around, driving them to and from the airport etc. This had wire taps and search warrants and everything else. Unless there are other cases this is all way more involved than the simple discussion here.

A setup/sting is always possible and I would wager the most likely way you get in legal trouble. If you avoid asking for sex for money in texts, which you can do, and you dont get caught in the act you are pretty safe legally speaking.

I think the cases you bring up are worth knowing about but its a pretty extreme example and outlier. These all go well beyond simple solicitation or prostitution charges.

[Taliesin92]

Any idea how the District Attorney was able to get to his real name from the handle he must've used when posting on that board?

The police had several ways of identifying the men. Some were identified by their IP addresses. Their internet service providers gave them up without any objections. The IP addresses connected the men directly to the reviews they posted online. (This is why it's a good idea to use a VPN. Every smart monger I know today uses one.).

Google also gave up tons of information on guys who used what they thought were anonymous Gmail addresses. During one man's trial, many of his Google messages were held up and displayed for the jury to read. (This is why we use encrypted ProtonMail now.).

And some were identified the old fashioned way. When a dozen of the guys got together at a local restaurant, police took photos of their license plates and got their names and addresses from the Washington State Department of Licensing.

Guys who did not attend those types of events, instead, got a knock on the door at their homes. They were arrested in front of their families.

King County spent more than $2. 5 million investigating that case. They were able to get everything they needed without ever witnessing an actual act of prostitution.