Rants, Raves, and Stupid Tinfoil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Bullshit

[MmceStep]

So porn shoots are legal (I'm assuming not illegal in NC? So anyone going to operate openly as a porn business? Talk money per movie and scene openly. Shoot on your phone. Could even have an only fans with no subscribers.

Just curious. The talent here is so pathetically bad it doesn't seem worth it. But if you have some UTR you like or something maybe a good idea.

The fantastic UNC Chapel Hill Law School professor Jeff Welty wrote an article about this. The short form answer is that LEO could apply its obscenity or prostitution laws to arrest parties making porn, as the statutes allow for that in NC. However, they likely will never do that (although if a big porn studio moved into NC, I'd bet my ass they would hassle them relentlessly). The biggest reason they wouldn't arrest a small timer is because the Federal Appeals Courts would find for the defendant on a first amendment basis (provided you met the standard, and they would dig into the facts to determine if you were really making art), which would immediately invalidate the statutes that NC has on its books.

If they did charge you though, a defendant would have to pay a mountain of cash for his defense to make it to that point in 3+ years. It might be an effective strategy, however doing it in the open would directly break your cover. My guess is that an HSI team would still attempt to shame you by busting you and releasing your booking photo / information and then dropping the charges after it's been published (they love this tactic).

It's an interesting legal thought experiment though, and if your life circumstances aligned to offset the risks to your reputation, it could be interesting.

[MmceStep]

Curious where you're getting the 12 K number. Just a guess? Or do you know something about that specifically?

It's the Victim Impact Funds limit for this offense (per offense). When they are being convinced to flip (all these teams have counselors trained to sell them on taking this option), they are told they get $12 k. In truth, they must file an application for the expenditure of funds against real expenses (clothing, food, housing, rehab etc). However, Legal Aid will assist them with this application at the courthouses.

[WelladJustedJ]

So porn shoots are legal (I'm assuming not illegal in NC? So anyone going to operate openly as a porn business? Talk money per movie and scene openly. Shoot on your phone. Could even have an only fans with no subscribers.

Just curious. The talent here is so pathetically bad it doesn't seem worth it. But if you have some UTR you like or something maybe a good idea.

[WelladJustedJ]

Just out of curiosity, what state would you say is worth it?

Vegas is always a nice trip. More budget conscious people go intl depending on their miles, etc.

[PleasureSeeker]

I agree with you that the World's Oldest Profession will not be stopped. The point is that I don't want my life, or yours to stop, as we know it, as a result of a junkie that LEO wants to pretend is an innocent princess who just needs a $12 k investment to turn her life around. I'm betting that 9. 5 out of 10 are taking that deal after the HSI psychologist begins working on her. Their loyalty is not the thing we should be banking on. New levels of security are really the goal here.

Curious where you're getting the 12 K number. Just a guess? Or do you know something about that specifically?

[ThePolarVortex]

I haven't seen a single provider worth the time or money in this state. Not one.

Just out of curiosity, what state would you say is worth it?

[JJCale]

I just thought I would add an additional element that I discovered some guys don't realize.

If you were busted for soliciting before, even 30 years ago and paid the traffic ticket type penalty, you have a first offense already. Most criminal attorneys would just have urged you to pay the small fine in the past and move on, as it was a light misdemeanor.

This means if you're caught under the new law, you are facing 39 months in prison for a second offense. A guy who DM'd me thought there was some kind of statute of limitations on prior convictions. There is not. If you've been busted before, DO NOT take the risk in NC. There are other places better suited to your situation. Save up and travel.

I haven't seen a single provider worth the time or money in this state. Not one.

[MmceStep]

I just thought I would add an additional element that I discovered some guys don't realize.

If you were busted for soliciting before, even 30 years ago and paid the traffic ticket type penalty, you have a first offense already. Most criminal attorneys would just have urged you to pay the small fine in the past and move on, as it was a light misdemeanor.

This means if you're caught under the new law, you are facing 39 months in prison for a second offense. A guy who DM'd me thought there was some kind of statute of limitations on prior convictions. There is not. If you've been busted before, DO NOT take the risk in NC. There are other places better suited to your situation. Save up and travel.

[MmceStep]

Nobody is saying or implying any such thing. Trustworthy is not the same as talking about their reality and where their main interests lie. People will go down with this new law, but this profession will not stop.

I agree with you that the World's Oldest Profession will not be stopped. The point is that I don't want my life, or yours to stop, as we know it, as a result of a junkie that LEO wants to pretend is an innocent princess who just needs a $12 k investment to turn her life around. I'm betting that 9. 5 out of 10 are taking that deal after the HSI psychologist begins working on her. Their loyalty is not the thing we should be banking on. New levels of security are really the goal here.

[PleasureSeeker]

Bingo. These girls typically aren't in the business because they are financially sound and like blowing old guys. They are usually desperate or have substance abuse problems that keep them from working a regular job.

How anyone thinks this makes the majority of them trustworthy is beyond me.

Nobody is saying or implying any such thing. Trustworthy is not the same as talking about their reality and where their main interests lie. People will go down with this new law, but this profession will not stop.

[JJCale]

To save their own ass (and to make some cash) they would definitely turn on one of us. That one girl doesn't speak for all especially the more desperate ones.

Bingo. These girls typically aren't in the business because they are financially sound and like blowing old guys. They are usually desperate or have substance abuse problems that keep them from working a regular job.

How anyone thinks this makes the majority of them trustworthy is beyond me.

[TheMundane]

I am being real, "bro". That's why I shared the post. This is a real reaction from someone out there. I am confident that 90% of the working women out there feel the same way and don't want anything to do with law enforcement. There's no doubt this law is real and the dangers are real, but don't shoot the messenger who tested the waters on day one. Plus, I know this girl. She's a regular and only see's a few guys. She has a life to live and is happy having things just the way they are on the side.

To save their own ass (and to make some cash) they would definitely turn on one of us. That one girl doesn't speak for all especially the more desperate ones.

[PleasureSeeker]

LOL, was she supposed to say "oh yeah, I would totally turn you in for enough money and my own charges dropped!" right in the middle of the deed?

Come on bro, be for fukn real.

I am being real, "bro". That's why I shared the post. This is a real reaction from someone out there. I am confident that 90% of the working women out there feel the same way and don't want anything to do with law enforcement. There's no doubt this law is real and the dangers are real, but don't shoot the messenger who tested the waters on day one. Plus, I know this girl. She's a regular and only see's a few guys. She has a life to live and is happy having things just the way they are on the side.

[ThickCock99]

https://abc11.com/post/immigration-r...-law/15620478/

If you're an immigrant, you don't want to miss this...

[MmceStep]

I think that's going to be a major uphill battle. Whoever goes against this is going to be seen as someone trying to get rid of a law to end human trafficking.

I have lots of experience with this kind of thing. First thing. Criminal laws rarely get repealed. The best hope would be that the US Circuit Court of Appeals or Supreme Court would deem something in the law unconstitutional, but there's a couple problems with that. First the same kind of right-wingers currently run SCOTUS and second, there really isn't anything unprecedented in the law. The most plausible theory for how that could happen would be for a Lodger to argue that they had no 'Foreseeability' if action was taken on them for missing that they had a guest providing services staying with them, when that Lodger was also compliant with the training elements of the law. Since that part of the law doesn't go into effect until next summer, we're 3-4 years away from that happening, at best. Knowing my way around Raleigh though, my suspicion is that NC Appeals Courts will simply dismiss these charges before they can be kicked up to a higher court to avoid the law being legally challenged on a Federal basis. Politically this one is also impossible for legislators to mess with. We know who has majority in the state legislature right now, and they have no plans to change the law. Even if that changed, the blue guys would risk future rival campaign ads calling them out for 'enabling Human Trafficking'. None of them want that. The damage is done, and now we have to deal with that reality.