Arrangement Reports

[Alabamalon]

I like this idea. Could be informative and interesting. To do it right though may be best to start a new dedicated thread for it otherwise it will likely get lost in the midst of this larger topic. I'll start off.

I started with SA in 2017 as it was just taking off in popularity. It was a bottomless pit of true girl next door and coed pussy. Rarely paid more than $300. Always had 3-5 hot girls going in a rotation. SA was bursting at the seems with $300 coed pussy so the rotation was constantly being refreshed. Life was glorious.

Monthly was a topic that always came up back then. PPM was for escorts they were SB's and wanted an allowance. But monthly never really found any footing. Girls were too unreliable so PPM became the norm. And it's the same today. Monthly is not very common and will almost always get you short changed or scammed at some point.

Then SA hit the mainstream and on came the scammers, fakes, time wasters, pros and GPS. During the pandemic Sugaring caught the attention of TikTok and girls started colluding to double even triple the rates guys needed to pay. The SA party as we knew it was over and SA went into a downward spiral.

Today. You are correct $5-$600 is the new $300 and asks of $800, $1000 + are common. $300 girls are mostly defunct at this point even fat.

Chicks want $500. $400 girls do still exist but you'll need to dig to find them. My rotation is down to 2 girls, 1 weekly and 1 biweekly, both $400. Both know there is bigger PPM $ out there but they are fine with less given that the guy (me) is reliable and isn't a dbag, freak or asshole which there apparently are a lot of on SA. Biweekly girl is still active on SA and says she easily gets $800 PPM. And she's an older MILF too not some young coed but she still gets $800 PPM with ease. Downside she says are that they are bed hopping one time meet type guys and that's not her thing really. She even found the white whale, an old rich dude that didn't want sex only companionship, and paid her $2000 PPM just to hang out. But as with other high PPM guys it was very short lived.

So my current grizzled veteran opinion of SA is that you can still find a reasonable value ($400) girl but it might take a helluva effort to flush it out. And if / when you do find it try to hang on to it to delay having to go back into that SA dumpster fire. I'll never do monthly, will never succumb to the ridiculous GPS of current SA girls either.

Perhaps paid advertising such as billboards, online ads, and reddit posts targeted towards men to stop paying high prices. At the end of the day, men have no need for money while women need it. Eventually the well dries up.

How are you all approaching women in your first one or two messages? I wonder if I'm getting low hits because I don't ask the woman anything about her personality and go straight to my offer. Even when I ask what they want from the site, I still get no response. Perhaps someone understands how to come off as a "sugar" daddy and not a "splenda".

What about negotiations and finding out allowance? It seems like I have to make the first mention. I have a specific low number in mind because I would believe that it doesn't hurt to throw it out (except for the times where I'm ghosted immediately after forever). Like all women, I'm not in the mood or position to waste my time and treat someone out to dinner only to find out they are platonic or high gps. I'm willing to give more but it doesn't seem like they realize.

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[Pau Ford]

I like this idea. Could be informative and interesting. To do it right though may be best to start a new dedicated thread for it otherwise it will likely get lost in the midst of this larger topic. I'll start off.

I started with SA in 2017 as it was just taking off in popularity. It was a bottomless pit of true girl next door and coed pussy. Rarely paid more than $300. Always had 3-5 hot girls going in a rotation. SA was bursting at the seems with $300 coed pussy so the rotation was constantly being refreshed. Life was glorious.

Monthly was a topic that always came up back then. PPM was for escorts they were SB's and wanted an allowance. But monthly never really found any footing. Girls were too unreliable so PPM became the norm. And it's the same today. Monthly is not very common and will almost always get you short changed or scammed at some point.

Then SA hit the mainstream and on came the scammers, fakes, time wasters, pros and GPS. During the pandemic Sugaring caught the attention of TikTok and girls started colluding to double even triple the rates guys needed to pay. The SA party as we knew it was over and SA went into a downward spiral.

Today. You are correct $5-$600 is the new $300 and asks of $800, $1000 + are common. $300 girls are mostly defunct at this point even fat.

Chicks want $500. $400 girls do still exist but you'll need to dig to find them. My rotation is down to 2 girls, 1 weekly and 1 biweekly, both $400. Both know there is bigger PPM $ out there but they are fine with less given that the guy (me) is reliable and isn't a dbag, freak or asshole which there apparently are a lot of on SA. Biweekly girl is still active on SA and says she easily gets $800 PPM. And she's an older MILF too not some young coed but she still gets $800 PPM with ease. Downside she says are that they are bed hopping one time meet type guys and that's not her thing really. She even found the white whale, an old rich dude that didn't want sex only companionship, and paid her $2000 PPM just to hang out. But as with other high PPM guys it was very short lived.

So my current grizzled veteran opinion of SA is that you can still find a reasonable value ($400) girl but it might take a helluva effort to flush it out. And if / when you do find it try to hang on to it to delay having to go back into that SA dumpster fire. I'll never do monthly, will never succumb to the ridiculous GPS of current SA girls either.

Fellas, how about we discuss how much of an allowance we should offer based on SB baggage etc. IDK I'm just thinking out loud here and hoping we can control the market to gain the upper hand in this hobby. Obviously, if you have deep pockets this may not interest you at all. Thoughts?

I think that's a great idea!

Especially, those of you who have been in the game longer. Your input is appreciated, so that the less experienced fellas here don't inflate the market.

I've noticed most girls on SA are in the 400-600 range, some want 700, or even 1 k per meet.

Let me know if you think if those rates are fair.

Also, those of you doing monthly allowance, how much do you pay your SB including gifts, dinners, drings etc.

[JonJon5456]

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...4-febd68875a1b

LOL. That's a rough 40 yo!

[GeekAuto]

Fellas, how about we discuss how much of an allowance we should offer based on SB baggage etc. IDK I'm just thinking out loud here and hoping we can control the market to gain the upper hand in this hobby. Obviously, if you have deep pockets this may not interest you at all. Thoughts?

I think that's a great idea!

Especially, those of you who have been in the game longer. Your input is appreciated, so that the less experienced fellas here don't inflate the market.

I've noticed most girls on SA are in the 400-600 range, some want 700, or even 1 k per meet.

Let me know if you think if those rates are fair.

Also, those of you doing monthly allowance, how much do you pay your SB including gifts, dinners, drings etc.

[Meddic80]

Fellas, how about we discuss how much of an allowance we should offer based on SB baggage etc. IDK I'm just thinking out loud here and hoping we can control the market to gain the upper hand in this hobby. Obviously, if you have deep pockets this may not interest you at all. Thoughts?

[Wolf0011]

Absolutely not real. You did right by blocking and deleting because anyone that wants to use WhatsApp or telegram are overseas and not even in the city that they claimed to be. I'm thinking about writing a book on how to successfully meet girls on seeking arrangement, How to spot fake profiles Right away, How to get a phone number within the first two messages, How to build comfort and get them to meet up with you and how to determine if they are scammer within the first few text message exchanges. I wonder if anyone would be interested in buying that e-book.

Can I pay cash instead of credit card?

[LeeElvisLee]

Absolutely not real. You did right by blocking and deleting because anyone that wants to use WhatsApp or telegram are overseas and not even in the city that they claimed to be. I'm thinking about writing a book on how to successfully meet girls on seeking arrangement, How to spot fake profiles Right away, How to get a phone number within the first two messages, How to build comfort and get them to meet up with you and how to determine if they are scammer within the first few text message exchanges. I wonder if anyone would be interested in buying that e-book.

Another thing is ask them if they have Snapchat. The WhatsApp and telegrams girls say they don't have it. When I ask them.

To download it. They say they can't and then block me. Some countries don't allow you to Download Snapchat. One good way is to tell them let's verify thru Snapchat by sending a live pic. They all disappear after that request.

[BestDjInOhio]

Are these girls who have Telegram and WhatsApp real at all? Every time they mention it to me, I just ignore and delete it since most of them are scam. Any success stories?

Absolutely not real. You did right by blocking and deleting because anyone that wants to use WhatsApp or telegram are overseas and not even in the city that they claimed to be. I'm thinking about writing a book on how to successfully meet girls on seeking arrangement, How to spot fake profiles Right away, How to get a phone number within the first two messages, How to build comfort and get them to meet up with you and how to determine if they are scammer within the first few text message exchanges. I wonder if anyone would be interested in buying that e-book.

[Meddic80]

Are these girls who have Telegram and WhatsApp real at all? Every time they mention it to me, I just ignore and delete it since most of them are scam. Any success stories?

From my experience, 99% were scammers.

[DeerChamo1]

Are these girls who have Telegram and WhatsApp real at all? Every time they mention it to me, I just ignore and delete it since most of them are scam. Any success stories?

Some chicks are smart and don't use their real number but you are def not going to want to send any money prior to meeting (and you shouldn't ever).

[Silver6933]

Are these girls who have Telegram and WhatsApp real at all? Every time they mention it to me, I just ignore and delete it since most of them are scam. Any success stories?

[Meddic80]

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...4-febd68875a1b

I would, but she's marriage minded. Hahaha.

[BestDjInOhio]

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...4-febd68875a1b

[Alabamalon]

Is that KelaniChi? I've heard of her but never had the pleasure. This girl expects 5 k / month when we discussed in terms of allowance, not sure what if any ppm she would consider.

Apparently this is her based on previous posts in this thread or another. As an escort she wanted 5 $ an hour with your drivers license. Don't think she took reference / P411. Never met her but will consider if she posts an ad or takes it through Sa.

[BestDjInOhio]

Have you met the majority of those women that you mention CFS like Melanie for instance or have you only communicated with them?

Yes. I have met most of them except where I passed due to gps in some cases.