"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Verdit]

She said that she wanted something that started online and then transitioned to us getting to know each other?

Wha. ?

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...a-f7f285772d07

[GoneForGood97]

A little trick which has always worked for me is to offer a little more for the first visit & then less for any further visit. Start with $400 & then $300 for every visit after.

Yeah, I've used this strategy as well. My go to strategy though is to offer to see them more frequently for less per week but more per month. "I could do 400 per date, but I can only see you once or twice a month, so you're getting 400-800 a month. If we do 250 per date, I could see you every week, so you'd be getting at least $1 K per month. Do you want $1 K a month or 400 per month?" They usually agree to the higher per month average, and everyone wins.

[NewAnonymousName]

Wants $$$ + a hotel b / c they can't host.

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...a-581c6137725b

TRANS -- the profile says so.

[SeekingHead]

Yeah that's part reason why I was seeking advice. I worked my ass off the last decade to have the bank to do this.

Like 80 percent of me is okay being married and settled but 20% of me wants more and more adventure.

I've had several people say $500 per visit with an expect $2000 a month budget is good. Thanks to all the advice I've done the math and feel comfortable to start there but I was getting ready to offer her $800 per visit LOL.

A little trick which has always worked for me is to offer a little more for the first visit & then less for any further visit. Start with $400 & then $300 for every visit after.

[Sgt Soros]

500 is higher than you need to pay in Atlanta. You can get really good mid 20's single moms for 200-300. As FarAway hinted at, you actually end up hitting diminishing returns pretty hard at higher amounts. Joydrop is paying 0 for his unicorn. I've done anywhere from 150-400 allowance, and the sex was NEVER worth more than 300. I wrote up an analysis awhile back when I had a really successful month, comparing experiences for price, and concluded that actually paying more results in worse sex. Girls that want that much are pretty enough to command it and therefore never learn to be "good" in bed. They can starfish and will have a line of guys waiting to see them because they are "insta" pretty. Do you want boring sex with an 8 or fantastic mind blowing sex with a 7? Because in my experience, the more you pay, the worse it usually is. Especially if you're looking for a long term side girlfriend, you don't want someone who is only seeing you because you're a high PPM. It almost certainly means she's $ focused, which means she's seeing you and a few others as well. Don't fall into the trap of thinking "more $ leads to better. " These aren't luxury cars. I suppose if you absolutely want to nail a co ed with a perfect body, 500ppm would guarantee you that.

Here's the analysis I did last year, and no matter how much people moan about inflation, prices haven't gone up triple digits in the past year: http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...44#post6464044.

Well said GoneForGood, this post needs to go in the posts of distinction thread. My hobby budget allowance is in the 150-300 range and I'm doing pretty well.

[Xcvxxx]

You should be getting tip top quality at that allowance. Instagram model quality. I have an IG model I get at 500 per, but she isn't orgasmic w / me, and overall the sex is just pretty good, not mind-blowing. She likes me because I am nice, clean, etc. And is always making me propositions. I am routinely turning those down. And note the market is different in different places. When I travel to a city I try to calibrate that.

More than 500 won't likely buy you a better experience.

Kind of weird but she she actually is an insta model who spent some time in Dubai. She moved to the states after she cut it off with her fiancée in Dubai and decided to relocate here with her mom whom lives here. She got here 5 months ago and she still doesn't know people here. She said I was her second date but the first was a disaster two gay guys trying to experience something with a girl lmfao. Anyways I'm likely to be the youngest guy in my area with the bag to offer her stability. Sex the first time was orgasmic for her but I think because she hasn't gotten any since she got here. With that being said I feel I could be cheaper but one thing to keep in mind is pump and dump escorts here in Myrtle was no less than 120/150 qv yes it's ridiculous and there is legit no girls in my area anymore which is why I'm excited about this chick. She young. Latina, hot as hell, cute face, and has the Brains.

[GoneForGood97]

Yeah that's part reason why I was seeking advice. I worked my ass off the last decade to have the bank to do this.

Like 80 percent of me is okay being married and settled but 20% of me wants more and more adventure.

I've had several people say $500 per visit with an expect $2000 a month budget is good. Thanks to all the advice I've done the math and feel comfortable to start there but I was getting ready to offer her $800 per visit LOL.

You should be getting tip top quality at that allowance. Instagram model quality. I have an IG model I get at 500 per, but she isn't orgasmic w / me, and overall the sex is just pretty good, not mind-blowing. She likes me because I am nice, clean, etc. And is always making me propositions. I am routinely turning those down. And note the market is different in different places. When I travel to a city I try to calibrate that.

More than 500 won't likely buy you a better experience.

500 is higher than you need to pay in Atlanta. You can get really good mid 20's single moms for 200-300. As FarAway hinted at, you actually end up hitting diminishing returns pretty hard at higher amounts. Joydrop is paying 0 for his unicorn. I've done anywhere from 150-400 allowance, and the sex was NEVER worth more than 300. I wrote up an analysis awhile back when I had a really successful month, comparing experiences for price, and concluded that actually paying more results in worse sex. Girls that want that much are pretty enough to command it and therefore never learn to be "good" in bed. They can starfish and will have a line of guys waiting to see them because they are "insta" pretty. Do you want boring sex with an 8 or fantastic mind blowing sex with a 7? Because in my experience, the more you pay, the worse it usually is. Especially if you're looking for a long term side girlfriend, you don't want someone who is only seeing you because you're a high PPM. It almost certainly means she's $ focused, which means she's seeing you and a few others as well. Don't fall into the trap of thinking "more $ leads to better. " These aren't luxury cars. I suppose if you absolutely want to nail a co ed with a perfect body, 500ppm would guarantee you that.

Here's the analysis I did last year, and no matter how much people moan about inflation, prices haven't gone up triple digits in the past year: http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...44#post6464044.

[FarFarAway]

Yeah that's part reason why I was seeking advice. I worked my ass off the last decade to have the bank to do this.

Like 80 percent of me is okay being married and settled but 20% of me wants more and more adventure.

I've had several people say $500 per visit with an expect $2000 a month budget is good. Thanks to all the advice I've done the math and feel comfortable to start there but I was getting ready to offer her $800 per visit LOL.

You should be getting tip top quality at that allowance. Instagram model quality. I have an IG model I get at 500 per, but she isn't orgasmic w / me, and overall the sex is just pretty good, not mind-blowing. She likes me because I am nice, clean, etc. And is always making me propositions. I am routinely turning those down. And note the market is different in different places. When I travel to a city I try to calibrate that.

More than 500 won't likely buy you a better experience.

[Xcvxxx]

One more place you need to go. The Richmond VA board. There is an archive of highly useful past posts on sugaring. It used to be that the Richmond thread was the de facto national thread, people from all over posted there. It has died down a fair amount lately, but the old wisdom is still good.

That being said, typically sugaring is a game for guys in their 40's and up. And there is particular attraction of some girls on the site to much older guys. I personally am very grateful for that. I've had SB one-third my age. Don't be trying this yourself, obviously. And then most younger guys don't have the bank to do it, or don't want to spend theirs that way.

Yeah that's part reason why I was seeking advice. I worked my ass off the last decade to have the bank to do this.

Like 80 percent of me is okay being married and settled but 20% of me wants more and more adventure.

I've had several people say $500 per visit with an expect $2000 a month budget is good. Thanks to all the advice I've done the math and feel comfortable to start there but I was getting ready to offer her $800 per visit LOL.

[Gatka]

Got one looking for new friends. She is asking for 300, do your own negotiations. If you look good she'll go bbfscip no problems. I believe she is late 20's / early 30's. Can host off North Druid Hills in her apartment.

PM me if you are interested.

[FarFarAway]

You're right I did post in multiple places. They're not at random. I've actually visited those places before, but the reason why is because there is a wealth of knowledge out there men with real experience. Unfortunately, in my hometown, the game is dying if you look through the sugar baby forum you'll see how bad it is. So if I post it in Myrtle and only Myrtle, I would've never gotten the drop from Jay. Were all here for the same reason why settle for one when you can have as many as you'd like..

One more place you need to go. The Richmond VA board. There is an archive of highly useful past posts on sugaring. It used to be that the Richmond thread was the de facto national thread, people from all over posted there. It has died down a fair amount lately, but the old wisdom is still good.

That being said, typically sugaring is a game for guys in their 40's and up. And there is particular attraction of some girls on the site to much older guys. I personally am very grateful for that. I've had SB one-third my age. Don't be trying this yourself, obviously. And then most younger guys don't have the bank to do it, or don't want to spend theirs that way.

[Peter Johnson]

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...c-8279a0a45737

This girl is for real and fairly chill and laid back. She needs some $ pretty badly right now, and is probably open to car dates as well. She is ok with BBBJ. Not sure about BBFS, but might depend on the the monger and the PPM amount. Anyway, she is in a bad spot and some money would help her out, so perhaps one of you gents can meet up with her.

Ok, one last note about Marie, that I am still talking to her and she really does need $$$ (don't we all), but she said it's ok to give out her # to some guys who don't have Seeking subscription. I'll have to go back at post history to make sure the guy seems safe (and not possibly LE), but feel free to PM me for her digits, if you have a fairly long and reputable post history. And I'm not trying to be a "gatekeeper" here, but I'm sure you understand.

Or actually...I got her on the Signal app, so why would I give out her #, when it's safer for her, and for you, to just contact her on there. So I will go that route instead.

[Dawgins]

Get an app like Airguard to make sure you know if someone puts an air tag or something similar in your bag or on your car. I don't think they pick up professional grade trackers, but if your SO has a PI on you, you're cooked anyway.

A lot of great advice in here, but since you pointed out you have a warden at home. This is at the top of the list for me. Its the little things that get you caught up.

What worked for me is having a routine that can be easily swap for a meet-up. For example, going out to drink to watch a game or something do that and do it consistently, also invite the wife a few times. Do that enough times till your wife is comfortable with you going out for a few hours with low communication, so you can use one of the days to do your meetup.

Also always always have a plan, in case you have to explain something away. Making up a story on the spot will make things worst.

[Xcvxxx]

The OP got a wealth of info out of Joydrop, and I can say to heed it, because he did the same for me 5 years ago. He's a longtime bowl bud; you can't imagine the quality of experiences he's had. If you got 1/10th of his scores, you will be happy.

However, the OP did post pretty much the exact same solicitation on a dozen or more sugar thread across the country. Makes me a little curious about what his ulterior motives might be.

You're right I did post in multiple places. They're not at random. I've actually visited those places before, but the reason why is because there is a wealth of knowledge out there men with real experience. Unfortunately, in my hometown, the game is dying if you look through the sugar baby forum you'll see how bad it is. So if I post it in Myrtle and only Myrtle, I would've never gotten the drop from Jay. We’re all here for the same reason why settle for one when you can have as many as you'd like.

Why settle for for one post in one area when posting in a few pages will increase my chances of getting real advice.

[Member #7125]

Remember, your home address is on your insurance and registration card in your glove box unless you have a PO box listed. Be careful not to allow to much searching in your car or forgetting something in the car trick.

You knocked that out of the park. Not much can be added to improve.