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[BluesBalls]

There is one interesting thing I've noticed about seducing a Non-FS provider to FS.

Some of my girls change the order of events. They want to play right away.

Instead of starting with the massage and the fun starts after the flip, they start wanting to get to sex right away and the massage comes with what ever time is left.

I like it when they initiate the sex. Some get naked as I'm undressing which is a good clue we're fucking first.

In my opinion this is a fun arrangement. Starting the fun right away you technically have the whole hour to play, and at times we do use the whole time for sex, but after the fun you get to relax to a great massage. This is very relaxing. The best order really.

There are days I initiate the sex first, but I like it when they do it spontaneously.

It's great they are willing to fuck us, but when they "want" to fuck us it is even more fun.

All this is an ego boost, because it makes me feel like they missed me or something, and maybe they look forward to the sex. Never know for sure, but I enjoy myself either way.

Just an observation to share. Bonn Appetite.

MX.

I agree completely. I always start with sex and then get the massage, if I want it and if there's time. I'm not there for a massage realistically so I'd rather get my money's worth.

Also, recently went to Stars on CMB and had an Asian girl (not the Latinas) who got really horny and wanted to fuck me badly. I paid her $80 for a BBBJ. She's been really into me, since one time I walked in for recon and left, so now that I'm there with my cock in her mouth I wasn't surprised when like three minutes in she just begs me to fuck her. I didn't need to be told twice. I pulled her up off the floor, turned her around, bent her over, pulled up her skirt, threw the condom on and railed on her hard. No extra tip requested. Haha She wasn't the hottest and this isn't the normal procedure, so I won't say her name, but it's definitely nice when they just really "want" you.

[MaximusKahn]

There is one interesting thing I've noticed about seducing a Non-FS provider to FS.

Some of my girls change the order of events. They want to play right away.

Instead of starting with the massage and the fun starts after the flip, they start wanting to get to sex right away and the massage comes with what ever time is left.

I like it when they initiate the sex. Some get naked as I'm undressing which is a good clue we're fucking first.

In my opinion this is a fun arrangement. Starting the fun right away you technically have the whole hour to play, and at times we do use the whole time for sex, but after the fun you get to relax to a great massage. This is very relaxing. The best order really.

There are days I initiate the sex first, but I like it when they do it spontaneously.

It's great they are willing to fuck us, but when they "want" to fuck us it is even more fun.

All this is an ego boost, because it makes me feel like they missed me or something, and maybe they look forward to the sex. Never know for sure, but I enjoy myself either way.

Just an observation to share. Bonn Appetite.

MX.

[Dog Rice]

Recently I saw two asian agency girls, and the experience is sub-par (posted details in Asian Provider forum) - treating me a dead fish, not touch the pairs. Too sensitive BS.

I am having hard time finding girls:

* let me touch & grab the natural pairs and suck them good. (Sorry, one of my weak point).

* engage with some kissing.

* let me drive the routie while not dead fish.

Might not even need FS. BJ is sufficient. Just need to be more playful and real FFE.

If any of you have some good recommendations.

[Mondo72]

I'm really unattracted to a lot of the things women are doing to themselves recently. I can't stand the big, ugly, eyelashes, fake color contacts, ugly tattoos, lip injections, and especially the enhanced ass cheeks. You can tell if women have butt implants by the little incisions under their cheeks. Those fake cheeks may look good in pants and sometimes naked, but I prefer natural, even it's shaped like a pancake.

Have to agree with you. I can't get to myself see a gal that has ink everywhere. Of course if it's only a small well done it's ok.

Problem is when a lot of mongers want to date the young ones and they / me are in their 50's and over, and top of that, in poor physical condition to boot.

I take it that's what young folks get influenced now a days thru social media, tv, movies, etc.

Seeing a young hot one with an 8+ face and bod ruined by what you and I mentioned is such a shame but like they say, it's what it is.

My 2 cents.

Mondo.

[MaximusKahn]

Guy456, I agree with all you say about the enhancements women are doing these days. I basically don't like anything fake or over the top. Botox injections are the most bizarre as it is a toxin women inject in themselves, usually in their face. And to what? Remove wrinkles, or worse to puff up their lips to look like they have been punched in a fight?

Many guys like man made bolt on tits and if that is your thing good for you, but I like natural breasts. All sizes welcome. Interesting though, I've been with providers with very nice size b-c natural tits who say they are small, and seem to apologize. I'm like what? They are perfect. A nice natural hand full, is a good thing. I've also been with providers with less than A size and the sex was amazing. But again, this is my thing.

Lastly about fake. The "performance" some provider give during the sex can be a turn off. I like it when she is enjoying the sex, but the fake over the top, you are the best fuck ever, oh god your dick is amazing performances don't work for me. I've even stopped them and said, you don't need to do that for me. If they are not genuinely enjoying the sex, and maybe have an orgasm, I'd prefer they remain quiet and let me enjoy myself. This is one of the reasons I like to seduce a provider at a HJ only spa up to full service, than go to a FS spa where the girls are in fuck factories.

We all monger in our own way and like the women we like, but on this topic of enhancements, I agree with Guy456. Good luck, Bonn Appetite, and be safe.

I'm really unattracted to a lot of the things women are doing to themselves recently. I can't stand the big, ugly, eyelashes, fake color contacts, ugly tattoos, lip injections, and especially the enhanced ass cheeks. You can tell if women have butt implants by the little incisions under their cheeks. Those fake cheeks may look good in pants and sometimes naked, but I prefer natural, even it's shaped like a pancake.

[Guy456]

I'm really unattracted to a lot of the things women are doing to themselves recently. I can't stand the big, ugly, eyelashes, fake color contacts, ugly tattoos, lip injections, and especially the enhanced ass cheeks. You can tell if women have butt implants by the little incisions under their cheeks. Those fake cheeks may look good in pants and sometimes naked, but I prefer natural, even it's shaped like a pancake.

[Rey KittyHawk]

On my way out, after a session I ran into a beautiful provider I have not enjoyed in while. I could not see her that day, but I texted her right away, making the connection again.

One day feeling ready for her attention I texted her and asked where she was, if she was available, and what is her name at that location?

She answered all questions and we agreed on a time. I went there and asked for her by name, and a completely different woman comes out. Granted she was attractive and acceptable on any other day, but I was expecting my woman. When I questioned her about my woman, she said she's her friend and not there. Fuck that, I left. I got to my car and texted her, and her reply was that she is working and didn't see me. Bull shit.

The only way I can see that we stop this bait and switch bull shit is to walk out. If she sends me one of those "I miss you" texts, I'm going to make an appointment asking her to come in early, or to stay late for me, and then not show up. Then after I don't show and I get her "where are you text? I'm going to tell her I'm running late and to wait for me. When she texts again I'll tell her I'm working and didn't see here there.

Lucky for me I found out about the bait and switch before I gave the house fee, which made it very easy to walk out. But even if I had paid the house fee, and the other girl walked in, I would have left.

I don't want to give the name or location, to protect the innocent. It's a common name, and I have no way to know if the business knew anything about it.

[Member #7047]

YouTube search "Medellin Provenza Parque Lleras".

Alternatively,

Search "things to do Medellin".

Fly Tijuana to Mexico City to Medellin.

I'm traveling there with family and plan on partaking in tourist stuff as well as mongering.

If you don't speak Spanish you are limited, but you can still monger in Provenza and take English guided tours outside of that zone.

I'm down in San Diego for a few days, but I have some pto and a shit ton of miles.

I would like to take the week off and go somewhere, I'm just having a hard time figuring out where.

I've been to Tijuana before and had a good time. Do I just go back there for a day or two and call it good?

I'm thinking about flying down to Colombia, but I don't know anything about it aside from the monger stuff.

Would a week in Colombia get boring if all I did was monger?

[Ninkasi]

I'm down in San Diego for a few days, but I have some pto and a shit ton of miles.

I would like to take the week off and go somewhere, I'm just having a hard time figuring out where.

I've been to Tijuana before and had a good time. Do I just go back there for a day or two and call it good?

I'm thinking about flying down to Colombia, but I don't know anything about it aside from the monger stuff.

Would a week in Colombia get boring if all I did was monger?

[Ninkasi]

I'm down in San Diego for a few days, but I have some pto and a shit ton of miles.

I would like to take the week off and go somewhere, I'm just having a hard time figuring out where.

I've been to Tijuana before and had a good time. Do I just go back there for a day or two and call it good?

I'm thinking about flying down to Colombia, but I don't know anything about it aside from the monger stuff.

Would a week in Colombia get boring if all I did was monger?

[MaximusKahn]

Excellent Max. This is my philosohy too, but I've never seen it so expertly laid out. I have one ATF that I have been seeing for years and she tells me there are only a handfull of mongers that get more than minimal extra service. I see her regularly and she is willing to explore many of my kinks, enthusiastically I must say. Sometimes I see her just for a massage when I'm sore. (BTW, please don't PM me, I do not give her info to anyone. At her request).

Thanks for the comments. I think there are many like us who enjoy the hobby our way.

You brought up an important point at the end of your post. Because this is UTR action we're not at liberty to openly post about our successes. What we are getting is unique to our relationship which is why many like us can't give details. We can discuss philosophy, attitude, strategy, and maybe technique, but not the details of who, what, where or the how much, that many guys want.

By seducing a HJ Massage woman to FS in a Massage Spa by its own nature requires discretion and secrecy. We don't want to get anyone in trouble, or ruin a good thing or we are respecting her request for secrecy. It might seem that we are holding out, but in truth, even if we did share the details, the average monger showing up for the first time is not going to get FS in their first visit. Maybe not in several visits, maybe not ever, so revealing our UTR action won't really help them. What we can share are the attitude, philosophy, strategies, and some personal technique, so they can find their own UTR action, and that is what I'm doing.

Another point you made which I didn't explain well in my post. I said it may not be a GFE or PSE experience, but I did not mention that that usually changes as your connection grows. At first it may go slow, but as her fears subside and her trust grows so too does their willingness to do and share more sexually. By the time you're a FS regular the experience with her may become GFE, and even close to a PSE. I'm sure many have seen the barriers come down and she shows us something we all seek. Our very own Unicorn, who does all we want. When you get to that point, all the time, money, and fun are well worth it. It's also true that once you find your unicorn, you don't' want to stop seeing her, or let them go.

It sounded to me like you found your own UTR Unicorn, and I'd never expect you to reveal her, nor would I ever ask you too. Thanks for commenting, because I think many guys need to know they can find their own UTR FS Unicorn, if they have the right attitude, and philosophy to seek them out.

Good Luck to All, Max.

[Bushexplorer]

Just go to the regular HJ spas. Always get an hour massage. When you have attraction and chemistry with a provider, visit often, and move her up to FS. Some might give in right away, most are very slow and careful about it, some don't move up, and if they don't, move on. Some you'll have to undress, some will bare it for you. I can't tell you how many I've gotten to know well, and after a good connection was established, I simply gently pull their pants and panties down, even removed them completely, and they let me. It is a very interesting passive, I won't stop you, response. Yes, I do enjoy submissive women. I will then show them a condom, and ask for sex, and they'll either indicate it is okay, or not.

It usually takes a little time and money of course, but in the long run can be cost effective. And it all depend if you're willing to explore boundaries for sex, or just want to show up and fuck.

But once you get one to cross that line for you, they generally don't expect gigantic tips, or even the going FS rates at a half hour Spa. Its is good to improve their tip once they cross the line, but unless you're over tipping you have room to up it and still not break the bank.

Bear in mind. That getting a Massage girl / woman in a non FS Spa to give FS may not be a GFE, or PSE experience but the sex is still fun. I'm into connecting and I like fucking the same woman many times. And since I always get an hour session with a massage, if I only get a good massage I can be content. Of course I'm striving to get more and if I get more all the better.

Once I find my FS favorites I visit them regularly, until they move, or I just get bored and move on myself, seeking my next FS favorite.....

.....And since the process of getting a Massage girl to move up to FS, is in part of your charm, the connection, repeat business, and even your tips, they may actually like you, and be attracted to you to some degree. I've felt many of them orgasm. You know the twitching, quivering, sweating orgasms, so I know they enjoyed the sex, not the noisy, fuck me fuck me orgasms FS provider offer, . Maybe it's my imagination, or ego, but I think some want a cock to fuck, and I'm eager to offer one they can feel safe with. Even in non-FS spas where you have to be quiet and careful. A lot do the "shhhhhh" thing, with their fingers over their lips like quiet, or don't tell, as the action starts. I respect that.

Some will get naked, some just will move clothes out of the way. And I'll say, they may not be 20 something spinners, or give a GFE or PSE, or even be a Cock-star, but they can be attractive and the sex and be satisfying.

Just one way I found to enjoy this hobby, but of course YMMV, and it all depends on what you're looking for.

Excellent Max. This is my philosohy too, but I've never seen it so expertly laid out. I have one ATF that I have been seeing for years and she tells me there are only a handfull of mongers that get more than minimal extra service. I see her regularly and she is willing to explore many of my kinks, enthusiastically I must say. Sometimes I see her just for a massage when I'm sore. (BTW, please don't PM me, I do not give her info to anyone. At her request).

[MaximusKahn]

It's easy to see why the FS "cock-stars" at half-hour FS Spas are raising their rates. It is because they can, and guys pay. We show up for the half hour boom boom session, and off we go. It's also true that many mongers want to tear that pussy up, so they are charging you for damages in advance.

My efforts have gotten FS from providers at typically less than the going rate of the FS Spas. Definitely less than agency or independent rates mentioned in the forums.

Just go to the regular HJ spas. Always get an hour massage. When you have attraction and chemistry with a provider, visit often, and move her up to FS. Some might give in right away, most are very slow and careful about it, some don't move up, and if they don't, move on. Some you'll have to undress, some will bare it for you. I can't tell you how many I've gotten to know well, and after a good connection was established, I simply gently pull their pants and panties down, even removed them completely, and they let me. It is a very interesting passive, I won't stop you, response. Yes, I do enjoy submissive women. I will then show them a condom, and ask for sex, and they'll either indicate it is okay, or not.

It usually takes a little time and money of course, but in the long run can be cost effective. And it all depend if you're willing to explore boundaries for sex, or just want to show up and fuck.

But once you get one to cross that line for you, they generally don't expect gigantic tips, or even the going FS rates at a half hour Spa. Its is good to improve their tip once they cross the line, but unless you're over tipping you have room to up it and still not break the bank.

Bear in mind. That getting a Massage girl / woman in a non FS Spa to give FS may not be a GFE, or PSE experience but the sex is still fun. I'm into connecting and I like fucking the same woman many times. And since I always get an hour session with a massage, if I only get a good massage I can be content. Of course I'm striving to get more and if I get more all the better.

Once I find my FS favorites I visit them regularly, until they move, or I just get bored and move on myself, seeking my next FS favorite.

I think they do the FS for less for several reasons. They usually seem to feel you're there for a massage, and that makes the massage what they provide where sex is just an extra effort on their part. They see the massage as their product first, not the sex. FS women know you're there for sex and sex is what they provide, any massage is there as an extra effort we all know most suck at it. Besides a half hour is just enough for a good fuck, not a good massage, and definitely not a good massage and good fuck. Once you move your regular up, its usually a 40 minute good massage, 20 minutes play, and if you don't use the full 20 minutes, they will get dressed and massage you more until your hour is up.

FS fuck girls get you to pop and often enough want you to leave, no matter how much time is left on the clock. This is because a lot of guys get off and want to go anyway. It's also because they can get to the next customer faster.

The one hour massage girls wants you to come back, and are willing to give the extra to keep you happy so you will come back. FS girls know you came to fuck and usually know they will never see you again, so they need to get all the money they can in one session.

The Massage providers may also know they're not 20 something, and have to compete with 20's somethings and the 20 somethings who provide FS.

And since the process of getting a Massage girl to move up to FS, is in part of your charm, the connection, repeat business, and even your tips, they may actually like you, and be attracted to you to some degree. I've felt many of them orgasm. You know the twitching, quivering, sweating orgasms, so I know they enjoyed the sex, not the noisy, fuck me fuck me orgasms FS provider offer, . Maybe it's my imagination, or ego, but I think some want a cock to fuck, and I'm eager to offer one they can feel safe with. Even in non-FS spas where you have to be quiet and careful. A lot do the "shhhhhh" thing, with their fingers over their lips like quiet, or don't tell, as the action starts. I respect that.

Some will get naked, some just will move clothes out of the way. And I'll say, they may not be 20 something spinners, or give a GFE or PSE, or even be a Cock-star, but they can be attractive and the sex and be satisfying.

Just one way I found to enjoy this hobby, but of course YMMV, and it all depends on what you're looking for.

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