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[LikesGirls]

Many people do not realize this fact. You can get arrested for any reason. It might not stand up in court but guess what the arrest never goes away.

Correct. And your mugshot online never goes away either.

[Sobe69]

Many people do not realize this fact. You can get arrested for any reason. It might not stand up in court but guess what the arrest never goes away.

Many of you complain about $200 rates and now you're talking about having a lawyer on retainer? Do you realize how much that costs?

Also, just getting arrested is enough to really mess up your life, even if charges are dropped later.

[Sobe69]

Just getting back and now reading about this law and no time to search if this has been covered or not but did anyone hear about a bust of a pop up brothel in Morrisville? Also a vice investigation of airbnbs houses being used by Chinese guest with ring door bell camera footage of mongers coming and going. Saw allot of work truck in those videos. Looks like Its time to head back into retirement again!

[LikesGirls]

just be careful and maybe consider having a lawyer on retainer.

Many of you complain about $200 rates and now you're talking about having a lawyer on retainer? Do you realize how much that costs?

Also, just getting arrested is enough to really mess up your life, even if charges are dropped later.

[Joe Looking]

This is just a simple case of two consenting adults going inside a hotel room. Nothing more.

IF the managers happened to see suspicious activity. They don't have any videos inside to see what happened.

Only thing that can be caught is if it was an under-aged situation. Anything else, there is very little to worry about, since there is no survillence inside.

Also, a man (you or I) could have gone in, to perform a moving help, IT support, grocery, tutoring, english language support, WHATEVER.

SG.

I'm not a lawyer but I'd say multiple men coming and going from a room, especially if they're all staying for certain increments, would be enough probable cause for a warrant. If a cop happened to hear "screams" or other signs of distress that might constitute enough exigent circumstances for them to enter the room. I'll also say that even if they don't get a warrant or have exigent circumstances, they can still tail you and hope you do something dump like roll a stop sign. While you have protections, that doesn't mean that some other monger won't spill the beans hoping to get let off. There's also the other thorny issue which is that it's hard to know who is on probation and who is not. It's also hard to know the terms of their probation. If the chick is on probation then her PO has pretty broad let me mess with their day just because freedom.

I'm not saying not to partake in the hobby after the law but just be careful and maybe consider having a lawyer on retainer. I'd also avoid certain areas depending on the provider's volume. Just like with AMPs I imagine the Cary PD will be more active shutting things down than the Raleigh PD.

Given prices are what they are I'd also advise that guy start demanding more. With that kind of law in effect there's little chance I'm walking up to a strange room. Instead I recommend telling the provider to let you in a specific side door or meeting in the lobby. If you're paying over $300/ hr and they won't do that then move on.

[BrownRod]

Yeah. More Puritanical bullshit denying people the freedome to fuck. Nobody wants human trafficking or minors. But this makes it a seroius crime to just fuck. I was in Europe recently and frequented some legal brothels. Clean, gorgeous women, ready to go. Professionals. And cheaper than a QV here. This sucks. Stop voting for these prudes!

Yeah your right. We need to start voting for people that believe in sexual freedom. This Bill is a conservative dream come true I guess. The Republicans wrote this law and pressured the governor into signing it. After all how can he not sign a bill that says its stopping HT in NC. We need to start voting for people that want to legalize the business of sex between consenting adults. Get the churches and government out of the bedrooms.

https://www.ncleg.gov/BillLookup/2023/h971

[Hymendestoyer]

So I guess I will also ignore or not share any other it's I see and knows info since no body else likes too! I thought that's what this forum is for.

[WelladJustedJ]

https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/wh...an-trafficking

Not what it sounds like. It's basically slavery via all sorts of different methods. Does not require actual movement.

Holy fucked up batman. A "romantic relationship" with someone "emotionally unstable" qualifies. Forget the sugar bowl. Sounds like college.

[Jubba]

There need not be any trafficking? Someone born and raised in NC is human trafficking? Really?

https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/wh...an-trafficking

Not what it sounds like. It's basically slavery via all sorts of different methods. Does not require actual movement.

[WelladJustedJ]

There need not be any trafficking? Someone born and raised in NC is human trafficking? Really?

[MuchTwoMuch]

Sorry but no longer providing her number.

I am not giving her number out anymore. No change with her once she returns.

[MuchTwoMuch]

Sorry but no longer providing her number.

[Crl2022]

This is my main concern too. That whole situation would be reallyyyyy shitty. Maybe some people just don't have much to lose so it's no big deal for them.

The big issue is getting into the situation itself. The publicity of getting arrested, mugshot online, and having to explain to a significant other what the hell just happened. That's not an issue if you're single, but you could be placing your job in jeopardy if you earn a decent living.

[WaterLynn]

That's the worst part of the new law coming next year. All providers will now be classified as 'Human Trafficking Victims' regardless of their past. WE are the LEO targets. Period. She is the witness against you, along with the information they obtain in the investigation. In that way, she won't be treated much differently than a rape victim. For a felony charge, they will get her comms. And then they will track the number you used. If you used a burner, the number will come back to the burner app that controls that #. They will subpoena that app and they will receive your apple / google I'd and real phone #. Upon arrest they will take your phone, and if they can unlock it they will search it for evidence. Sure, you may eventually beat these charges in court after hiring a FANTASTIC attorney at great expense to you, but you may have already lost your relationship, job, professional certifications etc. In the past, the investigative hurdle was twofold: 1. The charges for you were misdemeanors. There's only so much investigation they're going to do in this situation. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze. Now your charge is a minimum 4 month in jail FELONY. They're going to go a hell of a lot further to get you. 2. The way it's been, the provider was going to at least face similar charges or more serious charges. The effect of that is she just clams up and the cops have both sides not telling them anything. You walk. (This has happened with me BTW.) Even if the cops said "we want him, not you", the ladies were probably distrustful. Next year, the women will know they CANNOT be charged. They will be HT Victims and be treated as such. They can qualify for victim impact funds. Even drug use will be treated as a coercive condition that pimps and customers use to keep them trafficked. "Help us get these men using you, off the streets, you poor little flower" will be the approach from LEO. There are no deals for us because we're where the big charges come from. Note that much of what I know about how the changes get implemented by LEO comes from my family member who's a detective (Theft, not Vice). We're going to need to be much much more careful going forward (if we continue this hobby) and IMO one of the real risks are with the scammer girls or the false advertising girls that you walk out on. When she follows up with "I'm calling the cops unless you give me _ LEO will still probably get your plate # from the CCTV, for follow-up. Note that 'Soliciting' doesn't require you to complete the act in any way. These women just got a lot more power, and that's something to be mindful of.

Yep. Everyone will have incentive to go against you. Hotel staff, neighbors, passerbys, girls, pimps etc. Anyone trying to stay silent will face charges themselves. Girls will be given the option, did you traffic yourself or did he traffic you?

[MmceStep]

I know that everyone always worries about escorts flipping on their customers, but really how realistic is that? For giving money to be a crime, they'd need to prove the sex act. An escort's testimony wouldn't be super reliable, especially if she's using the testimony to avoid charges. If they DO pursue you over that little, I'd imagine they wouldn't be able to do anything with it unless you say or do something stupid.

Not to minimize the danger from this law! I just expect that we'll see an increase in patrols around SW areas and more funding towards stings. Known girls should continue to be as safe as they currently are (which isn't actually safe if you get me).

That's the worst part of the new law coming next year. All providers will now be classified as 'Human Trafficking Victims' regardless of their past. WE are the LEO targets. Period. She is the witness against you, along with the information they obtain in the investigation. In that way, she won't be treated much differently than a rape victim. For a felony charge, they will get her comms. And then they will track the number you used. If you used a burner, the number will come back to the burner app that controls that #. They will subpoena that app and they will receive your apple / google I'd and real phone #. Upon arrest they will take your phone, and if they can unlock it they will search it for evidence. Sure, you may eventually beat these charges in court after hiring a FANTASTIC attorney at great expense to you, but you may have already lost your relationship, job, professional certifications etc. In the past, the investigative hurdle was twofold: 1. The charges for you were misdemeanors. There's only so much investigation they're going to do in this situation. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze. Now your charge is a minimum 4 month in jail FELONY. They're going to go a hell of a lot further to get you. 2. The way it's been, the provider was going to at least face similar charges or more serious charges. The effect of that is she just clams up and the cops have both sides not telling them anything. You walk. (This has happened with me BTW.) Even if the cops said "we want him, not you", the ladies were probably distrustful. Next year, the women will know they CANNOT be charged. They will be HT Victims and be treated as such. They can qualify for victim impact funds. Even drug use will be treated as a coercive condition that pimps and customers use to keep them trafficked. "Help us get these men using you, off the streets, you poor little flower" will be the approach from LEO. There are no deals for us because we're where the big charges come from. Note that much of what I know about how the changes get implemented by LEO comes from my family member who's a detective (Theft, not Vice). We're going to need to be much much more careful going forward (if we continue this hobby) and IMO one of the real risks are with the scammer girls or the false advertising girls that you walk out on. When she follows up with "I'm calling the cops unless you give me _ LEO will still probably get your plate # from the CCTV, for follow-up. Note that 'Soliciting' doesn't require you to complete the act in any way. These women just got a lot more power, and that's something to be mindful of.