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  1. #17950

    A rookie mistake, my friend

    Quote Originally Posted by Xglosergi  [View Original Post]
    I stopped at BTs last night around 9:30 PM. I did the $10 valet and the cover was $20. I sat down at a table when I walked in, not sure what the booths costs.

    I ended up getting a few mixed drinks throughout the night ($15/ drink). There was a variety of girls. White girls, AA, tatt'd, the Cubans, slim, thigh, and naturals. I'd say they were all pretty hot (7-9) and there was just a small amount of ugly ducklings. Probably 15-20 girls total.

    A white dancer named Cammy approached me. We chatted a bit and I got her a drink. She was fun to talk to. She was cute but I liked what else my eyes were seeing. I ended up getting a couple dances from her. $20 VIP fee and she did $25/ song. She was really boring to get lap dances from. She just sat on my lap and basically wiggled her bum on me for a few minutes. After the second dance, I went back out to my seat.

    After being back at my table for a few minutes, another dancer approached me. She was a slim white brunette with quite a few tattoos. She seemed more of my cup of tea than the last girl. We chatted for a bit and she offered to have some fun in the VIP after she gets off the stage. She got back to my table and I asked if there was more on the menu, and she told me "Yes but we should discuss that in the VIP. ".

    I'm not sure if I'm supposed to keep her name anonymous since she was offering extras, but her name rhymed with "gray. ".

    I paid the VIP fee again and we got to the private booth. She told me she does CBJ or FS. I forget what the prices were individually but she gave me different prices for each, as well as $400 for both. I did both and got the price down to $300.

    I was kinda hoping for a warm up dance to help get me going but she just had me drop my pants and take a seat. She got on her knees and did a CBJ that lasted 2 songs. After, she got on all fours on the seat in the booth and we did some doggy until I finished.

    I prefer wearing a condom with dancers so I didn't bother to ask about any BB pricing. Again, I was let down with no warm up dances and honestly, it didn't really meet all my expectations. But I'll say this, she gave GREAT head, even with a condom on. I'd say it felt more like a $250 service but it was still money well spent, and I went home a happy camper.

    I'd say I spent about $500 total. I definitely plan to visit BTs again, in hopes of finding a dancer that is a bit more enthusiastic in the VIP. Like I said, the CBJ was great but the rest was kinda meh. At least she was really hot, so I won't complain too much.
    Always negotiate before going back. They know that if they get you back there first you're more likely to pay more.

  2. #17949
    Quote Originally Posted by Xglosergi  [View Original Post]
    I'm not sure if I'm supposed to keep her name anonymous since she was offering extras, but her name rhymed with "gray. ".
    Read a little bit in this forum and you'll see that we definitely name names. Besides, at the suburban Detroit club everyone offers extras.

    I actually ran into a dancer at Henry's last weekend who said she didn't do extras (well, except HJ's) and it kind of threw me for a loop. Felicia I think her name was. Youngish slender brunette. Said she was new. I ended up doing a couple of topless lap dances with her anyway since she was easily the most attractive woman in the place for my taste. It was really weird leaving one of the cubicles without having to clean up first.

  3. #17948
    Quote Originally Posted by Xglosergi  [View Original Post]
    But I'll say this, she gave GREAT head, even with a condom on.
    I have to say I have had a similar experience. I know it's a small sample, but the CBJs I've had from strippers were far and away better than the CBJs I have had from escorts. Kinda wild.

  4. #17947

    Took a trip to BTs

    I stopped at BTs last night around 9:30 PM. I did the $10 valet and the cover was $20. I sat down at a table when I walked in, not sure what the booths costs.

    I ended up getting a few mixed drinks throughout the night ($15/ drink). There was a variety of girls. White girls, AA, tatt'd, the Cubans, slim, thigh, and naturals. I'd say they were all pretty hot (7-9) and there was just a small amount of ugly ducklings. Probably 15-20 girls total.

    A white dancer named Cammy approached me. We chatted a bit and I got her a drink. She was fun to talk to. She was cute but I liked what else my eyes were seeing. I ended up getting a couple dances from her. $20 VIP fee and she did $25/ song. She was really boring to get lap dances from. She just sat on my lap and basically wiggled her bum on me for a few minutes. After the second dance, I went back out to my seat.

    After being back at my table for a few minutes, another dancer approached me. She was a slim white brunette with quite a few tattoos. She seemed more of my cup of tea than the last girl. We chatted for a bit and she offered to have some fun in the VIP after she gets off the stage. She got back to my table and I asked if there was more on the menu, and she told me "Yes but we should discuss that in the VIP. ".

    I'm not sure if I'm supposed to keep her name anonymous since she was offering extras, but her name rhymed with "gray. ".

    I paid the VIP fee again and we got to the private booth. She told me she does CBJ or FS. I forget what the prices were individually but she gave me different prices for each, as well as $400 for both. I did both and got the price down to $300.

    I was kinda hoping for a warm up dance to help get me going but she just had me drop my pants and take a seat. She got on her knees and did a CBJ that lasted 2 songs. After, she got on all fours on the seat in the booth and we did some doggy until I finished.

    I prefer wearing a condom with dancers so I didn't bother to ask about any BB pricing. Again, I was let down with no warm up dances and honestly, it didn't really meet all my expectations. But I'll say this, she gave GREAT head, even with a condom on. I'd say it felt more like a $250 service but it was still money well spent, and I went home a happy camper.

    I'd say I spent about $500 total. I definitely plan to visit BTs again, in hopes of finding a dancer that is a bit more enthusiastic in the VIP. Like I said, the CBJ was great but the rest was kinda meh. At least she was really hot, so I won't complain too much.

  5. #17946
    Quote Originally Posted by Rithro  [View Original Post]
    Audrey, FC, Saturdays. Have not gone with her but they certainly look natural.
    Day or night?

  6. #17945

    Big naturals

    Audrey, FC, Saturdays. Have not gone with her but they certainly look natural.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonnyBrasco  [View Original Post]
    Haven't been out to the clubs in awhile. Any recommendations on when / where I can find some big natural tits? Appreciate the advice and look forward to sharing my experiences as I get back into the club scene.

  7. #17944
    Quote Originally Posted by MareloboMex  [View Original Post]
    I completely agree the more experienced girls have less inhibitions and can be wild in the VIP. It takes a certain patience to enjoy a newbie, and coach her and teach her, and help her loose her inhibitions. I understand it is not for everyone, but for me personally I find it a big turn on to be with a newbie. About the time I lose interested in her is when she can't learn anything more from me, but I typically leave her able to provide the kind of service most guys desire. I always search for newbies or part time girls who have another full time job they work at. I have found I enjoy my time the most with them.
    I find there are two kinds of young (college-aged) girls at clubs, at least among the ones that catch my eye:

    The vast majority, like 90-95 percent, are girls who are cute / hot and probably a little more open-minded than the average girl their age, but still hesitant about the club thing or just too young and inexperienced to know what makes guys happy. Some of these ladies can be fun if you can earn their trust and they have an inner sensuality they're just shy about revealing to the world. Most, however, are just not a great option.

    There is a small number, however, that's very open-minded and have some nympho in them. Embrace these, especially if it comes from a place where they like a more camgirl kind of sensibility for lingerie, makeup and hair rather than the alt, Suicide Girl thing. I once had a girl in the old days of Penthouse who gave me part of my tip back because I tipped well, fingered her to O and got done what I wanted to do quickly. She said she legitimately is kind of a nympho who really does enjoy a good experience, had made her money for the weekend already (it was Sunday) and wanted me to come back. I was stunned. I also never saw her again, unfortunately, and this was a long time ago.

    Beyond that, I think it makes sense to stick to the more MILF-ish girls who yes, have another job and aren't dancing out of desperation. There's one in Chicago I adore who's in her mid-40's and still looks fantastic. She considers it a challenge to find new ways to get me excited with dirty talk and new dance tricks.

    It's unfortunate that I have encountered some girls in that 90-95 percent who started out with a lot of potential but let the biz break them down. There's one girl in Wisconsin who wore cute, themed outfits -- cheer skirt, cowboy, biker -- and was kind of shy on the floor, then had this quiet, rhythmic moan with her eyes closed she'd get into in the dance room that felt like it came from a very genuine, intense place. Then, after she was gone for a few months, it was like something broke her: She gained a bunch of weight, went to more slutty, regular stripper outfits and just looks tired a lot of the time now. You hate to see it.

    The ones who are still doing it well after some years in the biz have figured out a way to survive stuff and succeed. Seek them out.

  8. #17943
    Quote Originally Posted by MareloboMex  [View Original Post]
    I agree the better girls don't like the high pressure girls, and think they are stealing their customers. I also agree the high pressure girls make some money and pay their tip outs. I do not think they are few and far between, but are in every club.

    Leaving doesn't send any clear signal, guys leave all the time for a million reasons.

    The manager is a good resource, because he doesn't know who is driving customers away. The high pressure dancers driving customers away and driving other good dancers away is something he cares about because the club makes more money with more customer and one less high pressure dancers tip out. The manager can't and won't do anything until he hears complaints from multiple customers about a specific dancer.

    MM.
    Like I say, I've never encountered the same kind of pressure I have at Detroit clubs, notably the one example I gave. I think the negotiation piece has a lot to do with it, including take it or leave it offers. At most clubs elsewhere, negotiation isn't even part of the experience. In Detroit, because virtually no prices are set in stone, you go through it with most dancers, which means you feel like you're trying to drive a hard bargain a lot.

    I agree that leaving doesn't send a clear signal to the dancer or club, but, call me crazy, it sends a clear and needed signal to yourself: I'm not putting up with this BS and they're not getting my money under any circumstances. You're unequivocally deciding the big head wins this visit, which isn't always easy to do, but important sometimes.

    As for the manager, I dunno. If the dancer makes money, by hook or by crook, I'm not sure they care. I suppose, if enough customers have an issue, yeah. But, honestly, I'm not in Detroit enough to know if my opinion would be respected. They'd probably just think I'm a one-off guy who's just upset about something. I know when something's not right, but without repeated contact, I'm not going to push the issue in my one or two visits per year. I might only have a few hours in that visit to try and make things happen. I'd rather just go to another club than spend that time chasing down a manager to let him know a girl was rude on principle.

  9. #17942

    FC cover on Sat. Nights

    Quote Originally Posted by SopCop  [View Original Post]
    Nice report. How much is FC's night admission $$$ ?
    I don't know bc we were with a "lifestyle" group that was having an event there.

  10. #17941

    Your Welcome

    Quote Originally Posted by TedEBear  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the update!
    Don't take that as gospel, I haven't talked to her in quite a while. So I'm just guessing to if and when she may come back to dancing again. I just figure if she just had the baby less then a month ago she is definitely going to spend a bit of home time bonding, caring for and spending time with the baby and Hubby / or baby daddy. If I do hear anything I'll pass it along to you.

  11. #17940

    Thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by MilkMan2484  [View Original Post]
    She Isn't back to dancing yet I don't think, I was just there Friday day shift and she wasn't there. Last I heard is she Just had the little one in the Middle of July. So I really doubt she'll be back anytime before Sept / Oct maybe even later unless in really bad shape for $$.
    Thanks for the update!

  12. #17939

    Re: Violet

    Quote Originally Posted by TedEBear  [View Original Post]
    Hi everyone, thanks for the information when I asked about Violet in June. I am making plans for later this month and was hoping she's working again. I had a phone number for her, but she must have changed it (imagine that, LOL). If you have a current number you are willing to share, please message me. Any help would be greatly appreciated. She is my ATF! Description would be small spinner, small but perky tits, a landing strip of her own, LOL and when I saw her last, she was coloring her hair a reddish color. Thanks guys!
    She Isn't back to dancing yet I don't think, I was just there Friday day shift and she wasn't there. Last I heard is she Just had the little one in the Middle of July. So I really doubt she'll be back anytime before Sept / Oct maybe even later unless in really bad shape for $$.

  13. #17938

    Violet

    Hi everyone, thanks for the information when I asked about Violet in June. I am making plans for later this month and was hoping she's working again. I had a phone number for her, but she must have changed it (imagine that, LOL). If you have a current number you are willing to share, please message me. Any help would be greatly appreciated. She is my ATF! Description would be small spinner, small but perky tits, a landing strip of her own, LOL and when I saw her last, she was coloring her hair a reddish color. Thanks guys!

  14. #17937

    Big Naturals

    Haven't been out to the clubs in awhile. Any recommendations on when / where I can find some big natural tits? Appreciate the advice and look forward to sharing my experiences as I get back into the club scene.

  15. #17936
    Quote Originally Posted by Korcar  [View Original Post]
    First of all, thanks to everyone about all the ideas how to deal with pushy girls, I will try some next time and see how it goes.

    So Saturday me and my buddy decided to go for a trip by the airport, started off at FC around 9-ish, quite a few girls and some really hot ones too, and quite a few Cubans as well. We sat at the bar downstairs. First of all even though it was not busy the girls would not come and talk to us, they just did their stage and went in the dressing room or hung out with their regulars.

    Eventually this cute AA dancer came over, she says she was from California and was just trying out Detroit clubs (again horrible with names so don't remember her name), we kind of hit if off but when I started asking about VIP she said she only does dances there and all other stuff is available only OTC. I avoid OTC unless I kinda know the girl but next time I got there hopefully I talk to her and see if I decide to take the plunge, she was really cute though.

    Next up another really tall dancer comes over, and same thing she says she is from California just visiting (I am not sure why all these CA girls are here). She was more interested in my buddy, they talked and eventually she left, I asked my buddy about what she said and apparently she wanted $5 for everything and would not go down more than $4, that is more than we wanted to spend so after some drinks we left and went to LS.

    Got to LS about 10:30, lots of girls there too and again quite a few Cubans, as soon as we sat down a couple of Cuban girls came over, I can understand quite a bit of Spanish but I cannot answer back so they used the google translate, one of them was quite fun to hang out with and apparently the other was brand new there, and it was obvious, the one that was new was very shy and very nervous and quite fidgety, but she was cute (again, I don't remember the names, I am going to have to get better at that). After a drink we discussed pricing and they started at $3 for everything and eventually we got them down to $2. My buddy took one of them down and the brand new girl stayed with me, I wanted to go with her but he was too nervous and too apprehensive and I had a feeling it was not going to be enjoyable so eventually when my buddy got back I tipped her a few bucks told her I will see her again and eventually we left.

    I have been to the back with brand new dancers before and I have not enjoyed, I prefer ones that are more broken in, they tend to have less inhibitions and are more fun.
    Korcar,

    I am really enjoying reading your reports thanks for sharing them.

    I have had that same experience at FC where the prices are way too high and I have stopped going because of it. I find the same girls at FC dance at other clubs and are available at prices more in line with what I want to spend.

    I also personally think Saturday is one of the worst nights to go. There are many girls who made good money on Thursday and Friday and aren't particularly interested in dancing unless they find a guy willing to spend a lot of money. They already have money in their pocket. The one exception is if it is the Saturday night before rent is due.

    I find many girls on Saturday night want to just drink with their girlfriends or regulars and they don't care if they only see one guy because they already have money in their purse. Also many guys on Saturday night like to go to the club and make it rain on a girl while on stage. So if she makes $200 in stage tips she doesn't need to go to the VIP and pay the extra VIP tip out.

    I also avoid OTC, I have only done it a couple times and it didn't work out as well as I hoped.

    I completely agree the more experienced girls have less inhibitions and can be wild in the VIP. It takes a certain patience to enjoy a newbie, and coach her and teach her, and help her loose her inhibitions. I understand it is not for everyone, but for me personally I find it a big turn on to be with a newbie. About the time I lose interested in her is when she can't learn anything more from me, but I typically leave her able to provide the kind of service most guys desire. I always search for newbies or part time girls who have another full time job they work at. I have found I enjoy my time the most with them.

    MM.

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