Rants and Stupid shit in Orange County

[Plasma Spray]

This "trafficking" is almost always bindage by debt repayment. Itnis what it is. "willingly" is a relative term.

Much like a lot of guys remaining "married" in a sexless marriage becuase of perceived obligation. To the kids. Or whatever.

[Grimmy23]

There was a newspaper article in OC Register I think with an expose of trafficking. It claimed that Asian girls working MP's in OC had no idea what city they were in, and were moved city to city every few weeks. I have never seen any evidence of that. Most of the shops have regular girls there for years. Universally they have cellphones and will give you their number. If they were in desparate straights you would assume they would seek some assistance or to get word to the authorities to rescue them. But no, they just want you to become a regular customer. In some shops, girls will even meet you outside the shop. I have seen a few who sleep over in the shop, but I believe this is unsupervised, and essentially just saves the girl the need to pay rent, keeping more money in her pocket.

I think the misunderstanding comes from a cultural difference. Many American women speak of any kind of sex with an older man as if its disgusting, and almost a form of sexual abuse if there is a 20 year age gap in a marriage. There is disgust with men's sexual needs and satisfaction, and an anti-male anti-boomer attitude in many quarters. So the idea of a woman doing sex work, and doing her job happily is unimaginable. Most of these Chinese women working the shops do not seem to be nymphomaniacs, they are just women who are ok with the job, and making more money than they ever dreamed possible. There is also some simple-minded racist views of Asian women as weak and compliant. Which comes from people who have not been around Chinese or Korean women much.

Happily we have arrived at a point, where the LE seems to leave us and the girls alone, and we can happily engage in the hobby, and they can make money, and the American ladies can get their $120 massages with their aroma therapy.

I've done a little work with Polaris, which is a group that assists trafficked individuals. There absolutely are reports of girls who were forced to work in sex shops and had their docs taken from them and / or weren't in the country legally. The more prominent groups are Latina and Korean. Most of the shops that are discussed in OC are Chinese, and oddly enough the Chinese aren't a prominent group that gets trafficked. Again, shuffling the girls around from city to city or state to state isn't the most common form of trafficking. Debt bondage is the most common. That's where they paid someone to help them get into the US, under the guise of them having "work" once they're in, and having to pay back the debt which is often well north of $50 k. Their docs are confiscated until they're paid off. So now you have this girl in the US either illegally or without access to her docs, speaks little to no English, and owes some handler $50 k. She isn't a prisoner per se. She has some freedom. But she also has nowhere to go. She's afraid to go to the authorities because she may not be here legally. That's far more common than people realize. It's also prominent even more so with hotel and restaurant workers.

Now to clarify, there are some favorite shops in the OC that have some of the signs of trafficking. For example (I won't mention names but most of you will know who I'm referencing) there's a Westminster shop where the girls live with MMS and PPS and work 6 days a week, 12 hrs a day in a storefront with no rooms, just curtains so they have almost zero privacy. On the surface you might call that trafficking since some of the telltale signs are there. However, those girls have been known to go back home to China once in a while. If they were trafficked and here illegally they wouldn't be going home and coming back, so that place is safe.

[DarkRoomDaddy]

Yapping alert / disclaimer.

Man, what the hell is up with the rotation of girls in AMPs.

Like, I finally have time to catch up on some recommendations from some mongers on here, then by the time I get to them, the ladies that I want to try out are not there anymore. And a lot of recommendations are from fresh reviews as well from places that haven't been shut down.

This some limited-time only bs loll.

The only thing I could think of is that they're following the cinema / theater model where new releases brings peeps to the theater to buy tickets, in this case, we're buying "tickets" to "see" 304's. Idk, I just think this whole rotation thing is dumb.

There was a newspaper article in OC Register I think with an expose of trafficking. It claimed that Asian girls working MP's in OC had no idea what city they were in, and were moved city to city every few weeks. I have never seen any evidence of that. Most of the shops have regular girls there for years. Universally they have cellphones and will give you their number. If they were in desparate straights you would assume they would seek some assistance or to get word to the authorities to rescue them. But no, they just want you to become a regular customer. In some shops, girls will even meet you outside the shop. I have seen a few who sleep over in the shop, but I believe this is unsupervised, and essentially just saves the girl the need to pay rent, keeping more money in her pocket.

I think the misunderstanding comes from a cultural difference. Many American women speak of any kind of sex with an older man as if its disgusting, and almost a form of sexual abuse if there is a 20 year age gap in a marriage. There is disgust with men's sexual needs and satisfaction, and an anti-male anti-boomer attitude in many quarters. So the idea of a woman doing sex work, and doing her job happily is unimaginable. Most of these Chinese women working the shops do not seem to be nymphomaniacs, they are just women who are ok with the job, and making more money than they ever dreamed possible. There is also some simple-minded racist views of Asian women as weak and compliant. Which comes from people who have not been around Chinese or Korean women much.

Happily we have arrived at a point, where the LE seems to leave us and the girls alone, and we can happily engage in the hobby, and they can make money, and the American ladies can get their $120 massages with their aroma therapy.

[SukijoSeiwaka]

Or they are closet gays.

Many guys, who transition, do so because they are gay, want sex with men and find it more socially acceptable to be thought of as women. Men who like sex with trannies are also gay or bisexual.

If the attraction is opposite sex features then, you aren't gay. Sexology, psychology and Neuroscience proved this wrong decades ago. A lot of guys from a sociologically stance are buzzed, tired or high. Most street prostitution is blowjobs so, a transgender who just blows or knows howto conceal their penis can easily hook a lot of Johns.

[BSouthgate]

I'm an asexual but, I just don't see the point of it. I'm not into plastic surgery but, there are a lot of girls from Latin america or asia that come here with plastic surgery work. From my understanding, a lot of guys who have oicked up transgenders are normally buzzed, drunk, high or very tired. This is what streetwalkers (females) told me in LA.

Or they are closet gays.

Many guys, who transition, do so because they are gay, want sex with men and find it more socially acceptable to be thought of as women. Men who like sex with trannies are also gay or bisexual.

[Lift Her Up]

I'm just super aware of it now and avoid those situations if even the slightest sign of it potentially going on is there.

Thanks for heightening my awareness too. Your name may be Grime, but your contributions are not grime.

Lift Her Up.

[SukijoSeiwaka]

This is odd you wonder what customers they are hoping for. In TJ there is a lot of Trannies on Primera st. There is a least 10-12 of them. What guy would knowingly pickup a trannie. !!

I'm an asexual but, I just don't see the point of it. I'm not into plastic surgery but, there are a lot of girls from Latin america or asia that come here with plastic surgery work. From my understanding, a lot of guys who have oicked up transgenders are normally buzzed, drunk, high or very tired. This is what streetwalkers (females) told me in LA.

[Grimmy23]

Indeed.

And, see my post 1067, on 6/19, about various legal definitions.

IMO no matter what the definition, what is morally wrong is for the girl (OK, woman, but I'm an old guy) to find herself stuck in a situation she can't get out of, or to realize she's been deceived. I hope I've never entered the pussy of a girl in that situation.

Lift Her Up.

Unfortunately I probably have in my lifetime been serviced by girls who were trafficked. Most of us probably have. I'm just super aware of it now and avoid those situations if even the slightest sign of it potentially going on is there.

[Lift Her Up]

Yep, by today's definition that would be trafficking. What confuses people is that the word trafficking implies moving people around, but most forms of trafficking don't involve moving them at all. I already illustrated the quid pro quo. There also debt bondage which is very common.

Indeed.

And, see my post 1067, on 6/19, about various legal definitions.

IMO no matter what the definition, what is morally wrong is for the girl (OK, woman, but I'm an old guy) to find herself stuck in a situation she can't get out of, or to realize she's been deceived. I hope I've never entered the pussy of a girl in that situation.

Lift Her Up.

[Grimmy23]

Grimmy, I always appreciate your posts, reading your post, I got to thinking about another arrangement we had in this country so many years ago during reconstruction sharecropping. - are they slaves? No, there were many white sharecroppers, but many would argue that they were forced into a situation that was technically not slavery, but a different kind of servitude.

Not something new or unique to the south, or more broadly the USA, Serfdom was very common centuries before in Europe, similar deal. , but closer to slavery.

Just a thought.

Yep, by today's definition that would be trafficking. What confuses people is that the word trafficking implies moving people around, but most forms of trafficking don't involve moving them at all. I already illustrated the quid pro quo. There also debt bondage which is very common.

[BSouthgate]

All I'm saying is police, politicians, and activists will all call most SWs trafficked without considering the individual facts. They broadly equate kidnap victims and slaves with consenting independent sex workers who are offered jobs. They never make that distinction, nor do they even care. That is all I'm saying when I say the definition itself is meaningless.

Here, look at this article. It is 100% typical of EVERY article on the subject:

https://deliverfund.org/blog/facts-a...united-states/

The very first sentence reads: "Human trafficking, also known as modern-day slavery, is alive and well in the United States. Every year, millions of people in the world, including in the USA, are bought and sold for the purposes of forced labor or sexual exploitation. ".

It flat out claims that ALL trafficking is slavery. It flat out claims that ALL trafficking involves women BOUGHT AND SOLD. I hope you get that. They have no idea what they're talking about. They aren't even trying.

There is an industry consisting of Police Vice and Trafficking Departments, Politicians, NGOs and government agencies that grows and profits on how well they can convince the public that sex trafficking is a big problem. Yes there is a problem; but it is grossly exaggerated.

Regarding Grimmy's issue with Chinese masseuses sleeping in the store, can we not view this as an extension of the same problem, these same girls faced when they moved from the backwoods rural hills of western China to sleep in a Shanghai sauna? They have just made one more move from Shanghai to Santa Ana. They can and sometimes do go back home.

[HoDough]

Where can I find an Asian girl in LA that just came to USA or needs a green card or papers and is down for a mural situation. I know there has to be be a few I see tons of broke Asian people in LA all the time.

Fell free to dm me.

The Mexican border is a good place to start. Find out where they're getting processed and released at. Then, keep a look out for the hot ones. And swoop in like an eagle with a suitcase of $$ It probably doesn't even matter if they're already married. Enough $$$ and the husband will agree to the terms.

[OrangeGoku]

Where can I find an Asian girl in LA that just came to USA or needs a green card or papers and is down for a mural situation. I know there has to be be a few I see tons of broke Asian people in LA all the time.

Fell free to dm me.

[Taws6]

......She is free to come and go as she pleases, so she isn't trafficked per se. But in order to get that cheap room and board she had to keep working at that shop. She can quit at any time but the moment she quits she has to move out. Now where does she go? ............. So trafficking isn't always about sneaking people around in the dead of night. There's other forms of it.

Grimmy, I always appreciate your posts, reading your post, I got to thinking about another arrangement we had in this country so many years ago during reconstruction sharecropping. - are they slaves? No, there were many white sharecroppers, but many would argue that they were forced into a situation that was technically not slavery, but a different kind of servitude.

Not something new or unique to the south, or more broadly the USA, Serfdom was very common centuries before in Europe, similar deal. , but closer to slavery.

Just a thought.

[FreeWally]

With all due respect, I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion of "sex trafficking" being stupid. It does go on.

All I'm saying is police, politicians, and activists will all call most SWs trafficked without considering the individual facts. They broadly equate kidnap victims and slaves with consenting independent sex workers who are offered jobs. They never make that distinction, nor do they even care. That is all I'm saying when I say the definition itself is meaningless.

Here, look at this article. It is 100% typical of EVERY article on the subject:

https://deliverfund.org/blog/facts-a...united-states/

The very first sentence reads: "Human trafficking, also known as modern-day slavery, is alive and well in the United States. Every year, millions of people in the world, including in the USA, are bought and sold for the purposes of forced labor or sexual exploitation. ".

It flat out claims that ALL trafficking is slavery. It flat out claims that ALL trafficking involves women BOUGHT AND SOLD. I hope you get that. They have no idea what they're talking about. They aren't even trying.