Rants and Stupid shit in Orange County

[SukijoSeiwaka]

Or they are closet gays.

Many guys, who transition, do so because they are gay, want sex with men and find it more socially acceptable to be thought of as women. Men who like sex with trannies are also gay or bisexual.

If the attraction is opposite sex features then, you aren't gay. Sexology, psychology and Neuroscience proved this wrong decades ago. A lot of guys from a sociologically stance are buzzed, tired or high. Most street prostitution is blowjobs so, a transgender who just blows or knows howto conceal their penis can easily hook a lot of Johns.

[BSouthgate]

I'm an asexual but, I just don't see the point of it. I'm not into plastic surgery but, there are a lot of girls from Latin america or asia that come here with plastic surgery work. From my understanding, a lot of guys who have oicked up transgenders are normally buzzed, drunk, high or very tired. This is what streetwalkers (females) told me in LA.

Or they are closet gays.

Many guys, who transition, do so because they are gay, want sex with men and find it more socially acceptable to be thought of as women. Men who like sex with trannies are also gay or bisexual.

[Lift Her Up]

I'm just super aware of it now and avoid those situations if even the slightest sign of it potentially going on is there.

Thanks for heightening my awareness too. Your name may be Grime, but your contributions are not grime.

Lift Her Up.

[SukijoSeiwaka]

This is odd you wonder what customers they are hoping for. In TJ there is a lot of Trannies on Primera st. There is a least 10-12 of them. What guy would knowingly pickup a trannie. !!

I'm an asexual but, I just don't see the point of it. I'm not into plastic surgery but, there are a lot of girls from Latin america or asia that come here with plastic surgery work. From my understanding, a lot of guys who have oicked up transgenders are normally buzzed, drunk, high or very tired. This is what streetwalkers (females) told me in LA.

[Grimmy23]

Indeed.

And, see my post 1067, on 6/19, about various legal definitions.

IMO no matter what the definition, what is morally wrong is for the girl (OK, woman, but I'm an old guy) to find herself stuck in a situation she can't get out of, or to realize she's been deceived. I hope I've never entered the pussy of a girl in that situation.

Lift Her Up.

Unfortunately I probably have in my lifetime been serviced by girls who were trafficked. Most of us probably have. I'm just super aware of it now and avoid those situations if even the slightest sign of it potentially going on is there.

[Lift Her Up]

Yep, by today's definition that would be trafficking. What confuses people is that the word trafficking implies moving people around, but most forms of trafficking don't involve moving them at all. I already illustrated the quid pro quo. There also debt bondage which is very common.

Indeed.

And, see my post 1067, on 6/19, about various legal definitions.

IMO no matter what the definition, what is morally wrong is for the girl (OK, woman, but I'm an old guy) to find herself stuck in a situation she can't get out of, or to realize she's been deceived. I hope I've never entered the pussy of a girl in that situation.

Lift Her Up.

[Grimmy23]

Grimmy, I always appreciate your posts, reading your post, I got to thinking about another arrangement we had in this country so many years ago during reconstruction sharecropping. - are they slaves? No, there were many white sharecroppers, but many would argue that they were forced into a situation that was technically not slavery, but a different kind of servitude.

Not something new or unique to the south, or more broadly the USA, Serfdom was very common centuries before in Europe, similar deal. , but closer to slavery.

Just a thought.

Yep, by today's definition that would be trafficking. What confuses people is that the word trafficking implies moving people around, but most forms of trafficking don't involve moving them at all. I already illustrated the quid pro quo. There also debt bondage which is very common.

[BSouthgate]

All I'm saying is police, politicians, and activists will all call most SWs trafficked without considering the individual facts. They broadly equate kidnap victims and slaves with consenting independent sex workers who are offered jobs. They never make that distinction, nor do they even care. That is all I'm saying when I say the definition itself is meaningless.

Here, look at this article. It is 100% typical of EVERY article on the subject:

https://deliverfund.org/blog/facts-a...united-states/

The very first sentence reads: "Human trafficking, also known as modern-day slavery, is alive and well in the United States. Every year, millions of people in the world, including in the USA, are bought and sold for the purposes of forced labor or sexual exploitation. ".

It flat out claims that ALL trafficking is slavery. It flat out claims that ALL trafficking involves women BOUGHT AND SOLD. I hope you get that. They have no idea what they're talking about. They aren't even trying.

There is an industry consisting of Police Vice and Trafficking Departments, Politicians, NGOs and government agencies that grows and profits on how well they can convince the public that sex trafficking is a big problem. Yes there is a problem; but it is grossly exaggerated.

Regarding Grimmy's issue with Chinese masseuses sleeping in the store, can we not view this as an extension of the same problem, these same girls faced when they moved from the backwoods rural hills of western China to sleep in a Shanghai sauna? They have just made one more move from Shanghai to Santa Ana. They can and sometimes do go back home.

[HoDough]

Where can I find an Asian girl in LA that just came to USA or needs a green card or papers and is down for a mural situation. I know there has to be be a few I see tons of broke Asian people in LA all the time.

Fell free to dm me.

The Mexican border is a good place to start. Find out where they're getting processed and released at. Then, keep a look out for the hot ones. And swoop in like an eagle with a suitcase of $$ It probably doesn't even matter if they're already married. Enough $$$ and the husband will agree to the terms.

[OrangeGoku]

Where can I find an Asian girl in LA that just came to USA or needs a green card or papers and is down for a mural situation. I know there has to be be a few I see tons of broke Asian people in LA all the time.

Fell free to dm me.

[Taws6]

......She is free to come and go as she pleases, so she isn't trafficked per se. But in order to get that cheap room and board she had to keep working at that shop. She can quit at any time but the moment she quits she has to move out. Now where does she go? ............. So trafficking isn't always about sneaking people around in the dead of night. There's other forms of it.

Grimmy, I always appreciate your posts, reading your post, I got to thinking about another arrangement we had in this country so many years ago during reconstruction sharecropping. - are they slaves? No, there were many white sharecroppers, but many would argue that they were forced into a situation that was technically not slavery, but a different kind of servitude.

Not something new or unique to the south, or more broadly the USA, Serfdom was very common centuries before in Europe, similar deal. , but closer to slavery.

Just a thought.

[FreeWally]

With all due respect, I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion of "sex trafficking" being stupid. It does go on.

All I'm saying is police, politicians, and activists will all call most SWs trafficked without considering the individual facts. They broadly equate kidnap victims and slaves with consenting independent sex workers who are offered jobs. They never make that distinction, nor do they even care. That is all I'm saying when I say the definition itself is meaningless.

Here, look at this article. It is 100% typical of EVERY article on the subject:

https://deliverfund.org/blog/facts-a...united-states/

The very first sentence reads: "Human trafficking, also known as modern-day slavery, is alive and well in the United States. Every year, millions of people in the world, including in the USA, are bought and sold for the purposes of forced labor or sexual exploitation. ".

It flat out claims that ALL trafficking is slavery. It flat out claims that ALL trafficking involves women BOUGHT AND SOLD. I hope you get that. They have no idea what they're talking about. They aren't even trying.

[Grimmy23]

The phrase "sex trafficking" is beyond stupid. Let us look at the definition of it:

"The action or practice of illegally transporting people from one country or area to another for the purpose of sexual exploitation. ".

Nothing about consent. If you transport a girl from A to B for prostitution, and it is legal for her to prostitute, it is not sex trafficking. If you do so and it is illegal at one point or the other, it is sex trafficking.

In fact, let's go further with ridiculous examples. Forcing someone to be a prostitute is not sex trafficking. Since there is no transportation. Actual slaves in India and the Middle East sold for sex have not been sex trafficked. Trafficked being the word of course.

A woman who bangs 1000 guys around the world with a pimp is not being sex trafficked, if it is legal in each those countries to have a pimp. If she steps in one where it isn't (the majority), she has just been sex trafficked.

It is a very stupid phrase. It is used by politicians and officials to say they are doing more than they actually are, regardless of their intentions or effectiveness. And used by groups who simply don't like even consensual prostitution. We know since they call women who on their very own travel countries for sex work - but who meet a local handler that tells them what locations will take them - sex trafficking victims.

I know women who work tour multiple countries. They can choose when and where they go in general terms, but they have to make a contact in other countries because otherwise they won't know where it is safe to work. They aren't going to be streetwalkers, they want a safe place to set up. And you know what, they keep the vast majority of their take. They make more than a police chief. So it is ironic.

Notice that with any other kind of work the same trafficking happens. I know friends who went to work in Japan because a headhunter said an IT firm there needed their talent (ChatGPT craze). The headhunter was paid a small bonus, and enticed my friend with the job offer. He was trafficked!

I am against exploitation. That's completely different than a woman making her life savings in a few years. And you know what, the public will still call that woman exploited and sex trafficked no matter how much she makes and how much choice or consent she gives. There are a few girls who bought a house and retired to other work.

No one will question this because this is America. SW is heavily stigmatized here and you can't touch it. In Thailand and Japan if there is full consent then nobody cares, it is just work.

You are correct. Mattresses and cooking food in a shop isn't necessarily an indicator of trafficking (sleeping in the shop is, however, illegal as hell in most jurisdictions). But signs of the girls sleeping in the shops is one indicator that trafficking might be going on.

I should also clarify that most trafficking going on in the US isn't sex trafficking. Restaurant staff, hotel staff, cleaning companies etc. Are all industries where workers are trafficked quite heavily.

With all due respect, I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion of "sex trafficking" being stupid. It does go on. It isn't the case in every AMP by any means, and it isn't the case at a lot of the more prominent AMPs in OC that are discussed on this site, but it does happen and in bigger numbers than most of you realize. There's also the quid pro quos version that I mentioned earlier, and I'll mention again here. Without mentioning names of shops, say the girls from your favorite shop move at the MMS's house and pay her room and board. That's fairly common. Room and board is cheap. Say $500/ month. She shares a bedroom with 3 or 4 other girls. No big deal. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than an apartment. She is free to come and go as she pleases, so she isn't trafficked per se. But in order to get that cheap room and board she had to keep working at that shop. She can quit at any time but the moment she quits she has to move out. Now where does she go? She speaks little English and has no marketable skills to earn a living, and now doesn't have a roof over her head. She's kind of stuck. That's quid pro quo trafficking. Most people wouldn't recognize it as such because she's working there by choice, but the reality is she really has no other choice other than being homeless. And again, it happens not just in the sex trade but in other trades as well.

So trafficking isn't always about sneaking people around in the dead of night. There's other forms of it.

[FreeWally]

I in no way want to support trafficking. Being forced to do this job, is beyond cruel.

The phrase "sex trafficking" is beyond stupid. Let us look at the definition of it:

"The action or practice of illegally transporting people from one country or area to another for the purpose of sexual exploitation. ".

Nothing about consent. If you transport a girl from A to B for prostitution, and it is legal for her to prostitute, it is not sex trafficking. If you do so and it is illegal at one point or the other, it is sex trafficking.

In fact, let's go further with ridiculous examples. Forcing someone to be a prostitute is not sex trafficking. Since there is no transportation. Actual slaves in India and the Middle East sold for sex have not been sex trafficked. Trafficked being the word of course.

A woman who bangs 1000 guys around the world with a pimp is not being sex trafficked, if it is legal in each those countries to have a pimp. If she steps in one where it isn't (the majority), she has just been sex trafficked.

It is a very stupid phrase. It is used by politicians and officials to say they are doing more than they actually are, regardless of their intentions or effectiveness. And used by groups who simply don't like even consensual prostitution. We know since they call women who on their very own travel countries for sex work - but who meet a local handler that tells them what locations will take them - sex trafficking victims.

I know women who work tour multiple countries. They can choose when and where they go in general terms, but they have to make a contact in other countries because otherwise they won't know where it is safe to work. They aren't going to be streetwalkers, they want a safe place to set up. And you know what, they keep the vast majority of their take. They make more than a police chief. So it is ironic.

Notice that with any other kind of work the same trafficking happens. I know friends who went to work in Japan because a headhunter said an IT firm there needed their talent (ChatGPT craze). The headhunter was paid a small bonus, and enticed my friend with the job offer. He was trafficked!

I am against exploitation. That's completely different than a woman making her life savings in a few years. And you know what, the public will still call that woman exploited and sex trafficked no matter how much she makes and how much choice or consent she gives. There are a few girls who bought a house and retired to other work.

No one will question this because this is America. SW is heavily stigmatized here and you can't touch it. In Thailand and Japan if there is full consent then nobody cares, it is just work.

[Oc Amper]

Rotating girls can mean one of two things: Either the AMP owner is moving the girls around to keep things "fresh" for the clients, or they're part of a trafficking network and they're shuffling girls around to keep them a couple steps ahead of immigration authorities. Unfortunately the latter does happen. There are discussions touching on that not too many posts down. I generally won't go to shops that constantly shuffle girls for that reason. Whether they're trafficking or not, I don't want to be complicitly supporting a trafficking operation, or even taking a remote risk of doing so. But that's just me.

......I saw a room with air mattresses in it on my way out. Very bad sign when the girls are sleeping in the shops.

I in no way want to support trafficking. Being forced to do this job, is beyond cruel.

Having said that, I've read in the past, many times about girls living in the shops, and always equated to trafficking. Compare that with say, a KAAMP, when the ladies come go, they bring suitcases to support their stay at the spot. That is the Koreans, and probably any other ethnicity that is using apartments these days.

Here in these pages, we read about once or more StoreFront parlors. Won't mention by name, but they open early enough, and stay late enough. Girls are very enthusiastic, so much so, I think most of us would be surprised if there was anything forced. They also provide 2 or more girls for our pleasure, if so desired and timing is correct.

Pretty sure, they stay in that StoreFront. I know they stayed in the previous locations StoreFront.

So, mattresses or staying in the location, eating or preparing food, that in my opinion isn't the standard to determine if they are trafficked. Given these things seem to happen in the Chinese shops and those shops provide very enthusiastic services, I'm not sure what criteria to use.

I will add, I've asked some of the girls why they do this. Money is a top answer, usually answered in such a way, that to me, it feels like that is their genuine answer. It does seem, they have free time, once they complete their duty tour at any particular shop.

One girl, did answer, she had some kind of breast cancer and she was doing this to get the funds to get the necessary medical attention. That did not leave a good feeling with me, at all. Felt a bit disgusted with what had happened.

Guess, nearly all girls that are trafficked, tend to live at the shops, but one can't not say just because they stay in the shop and eat in the shop, that means they are trafficked, especially when taking into consideration the kgirl situation.