Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[RufusFirefly]

What is the truth and how do you know it?

Your are totally right what is the truth. Yes this has been in response to a recent report. Yes I am working off of two conflicting stories but just like a judge in a civil case I look at the preponderance of evidence to make my decision on which is true. Because I cannot prove that the report is false I will not attack the report or monger directly. Now I did leave clues to the report.

Once again the key to the success or the utility of this forum is that the mongers give the mist honest and accurate reports of activities. This is not a forum for mongers to make false claims to hurt a provider because they had an argument or a disagreement. That does not help us.

[Vinnie Kramer]

What is the truth and how do you know it?

I have tried to make a report on false reports and got infractions. I am just letting everyone know that making false reports is not helpful.

[Hooter12]

It is too bad that mongers feel the need to bring down some of these lovely ladies by making questionable reports because they got mad at a lady. Yes these ladies provide a service that we all want and most of them do it because it is their only option. Most due to choices they have made in the past and many of those are still making those bad choices.

So when you make a false report on a lady because you are angry with you you are not o ly hurting a lady that is trying to support herself but you are misleading other mongers. It is hard enough to find good providers so we do not need bad reports by mongers. This forum is about providing good information.

So please if you want to act like a teenage girl and make false reports because you are mad then open a FB account. Oh the monger I am writing this to probably already has one.

This is a forum for real men not people pretending to be men. Oh this is not the first issue I have had with this monger. He responded to one of my reports on this string by disparaging people who English is their second language. So first he brings down people that know at least two languages and now he us trying to hurt a lady that provides very good service.

We all want truth in reports so we can make better decisions on how to spend our hard earned money.

I guess my question would be if you weren't there or directly involved, how do you know that a specific report is false? Not believing a report is ok but doesn't necessarily mean its false.

[RufusFirefly]

If someone is making false post you need to let us know who it is so we can avoid his post.

I have tried to make a report on false reports and got infractions. I am just letting everyone know that making false reports is not helpful.

[Hillbilly Bob]

It is too bad that mongers feel the need to bring down some of these lovely ladies by making questionable reports because they got mad at a lady. Yes these ladies provide a service that we all want and most of them do it because it is their only option. Most due to choices they have made in the past and many of those are still making those bad choices.

So when you make a false report on a lady because you are angry with you you are not o ly hurting a lady that is trying to support herself but you are misleading other mongers. It is hard enough to find good providers so we do not need bad reports by mongers. This forum is about providing good information.

So please if you want to act like a teenage girl and make false reports because you are mad then open a FB account. Oh the monger I am writing this to probably already has one.

If someone is making false post you need to let us know who it is so we can avoid his post.

[RufusFirefly]

It is too bad that mongers feel the need to bring down some of these lovely ladies by making questionable reports because they got mad at a lady. Yes these ladies provide a service that we all want and most of them do it because it is their only option. Most due to choices they have made in the past and many of those are still making those bad choices.

So when you make a false report on a lady because you are angry with you you are not o ly hurting a lady that is trying to support herself but you are misleading other mongers. It is hard enough to find good providers so we do not need bad reports by mongers. This forum is about providing good information.

So please if you want to act like a teenage girl and make false reports because you are mad then open a FB account. Oh the monger I am writing this to probably already has one.

This is a forum for real men not people pretending to be men. Oh this is not the first issue I have had with this monger. He responded to one of my reports on this string by disparaging people who English is their second language. So first he brings down people that know at least two languages and now he us trying to hurt a lady that provides very good service.

We all want truth in reports so we can make better decisions on how to spend our hard earned money.

[BamBam]

I got to agree with DNut here. I believe the site TOS prohibit the sharing of PII and/or actual number on the forums. Regardless of the rules, it is certainly against our norms. If you want to privately ask for such info via PM (and you have not revealed yourself to be a dick in some way) you can generally get cooperation.

BAM

(moving this from the Escort thread).

Doxxing is the publication or dissemination of PII, personally identifiable information, without consent. Period. Hard stop. It doesn't make qualifications such if the person is still alive or deceased. Although often used for the purposes of harrassment, the lack of a nefarious intent doesn't preclude that sharing PII of someone else without consent is still doxxing.

[D Nut]

(moving this from the Escort thread).

Doxxing can only be done to somebody who's alive, so you can harass them with phone calls and calling SWAT on them. Can't do that to someone who's dead.

I actually wanted to make a small donation to her family, if she has any. Can't do that if I only know her stage name in the hobby.

Doxxing is the publication or dissemination of PII, personally identifiable information, without consent. Period. Hard stop. It doesn't make qualifications such if the person is still alive or deceased. Although often used for the purposes of harrassment, the lack of a nefarious intent doesn't preclude that sharing PII of someone else without consent is still doxxing.

[DrDave39]

Oh well. It's going to be like Sisyphus. But here's some cats.

Ah, the true purpose of the Internet, finally. Cute cat pictures!

[Smokey Gringo]

This is the very first post of The Octagon. Talking about incall or outcall, or whatever Gringo wants to talk about is actually misplaced for the purpose of the Octagon.

Oh knock it off. I just tried to change the subject to something and yeah it was something bugging ME. But anybody else could have chimed with something else and still can.

[D Nut]

Here is a perfect place for everyone to talk about anything they want that doesn't contribute anything for helping others get laid.

This is the very first post of The Octagon. Talking about incall or outcall, or whatever Gringo wants to talk about is actually misplaced for the purpose of the Octagon.

[Vilnius]

I would suggest that we need a gentlemen's agreement to keep the 2024 election off the Octagon, unless the state of the hobby in Cincinnati becomes a major issue in the national campaign.

I would submit that the hobby itself is something of a political issue too, though I admit that's an angle that doesn't normally come up in here. I would love discussion on that.

Do you guys factor the hobby into the way you vote?

That said, I post so rarely in here that my opinion probably shouldn't matter anyway, and this thread has literally always been a free-for-all, but I too will stop with politics that are not hobby-related for now; not even answering the last reply I got, which I assure you, has been difficult LOL.

[Smokey Gringo]

We have another contentious election coming up in 5 months. My guess is that we're pretty evenly divided here between the two political parties.

If the Octagon becomes nothing but a repository for reposting talking points ("Trump is a criminal!" "Biden is a senile old man!"), then it's going to become indistinguishable from Twitter.

And yes, 99 percent of it will be recycled "talking points". Almost all political content on social media (which is what this place is) is derivative.

Yes, all of us know that Trump was convicted last week. All of us know that Joe Biden would be 86 at the end of a second term. We're all aware of the arguments for and against both candidates. We hear them constantly.

The content of the Octagon is loosely defined. But it should probably have at least a tangential connection to the hobby in Cincinnati.

For example, I have *not* been seeing many providers lately because of the low quality and high prices. I sometimes post my general reactions to the local market here. I try to minimize that in the venue-specific threads, because I know the guys there are looking for specific information.

But I wouldn't post a movie review here. I wouldn't talk about long-distance running here. I wouldn't talk about lawn care, or the Trotsky-Stalinist split in the former USSR.

I went through something like this on my personal Facebook feed following the 2020 election. Everyone's feed became a mess of (highly repetitive) political talking points. Trump, Trump, Biden, Biden. Abortion! The border! LGBTQ indoctrination in schools!

There was lots of unfriending and people leaving Facebook altogether.

My friends who are left on Facebook largely don't rant about politics anymore.

I would suggest that we need a gentlemen's agreement to keep the 2024 election off the Octagon, unless the state of the hobby in Cincinnati becomes a major issue in the national campaign.

Count my vote of course.

[Todd Cincy]

I saw once where LEO used a house they had rented to run a sting. I have seen news reports where police have used houses to run stings for catching those perverts looking for children. So yes they do it.

Yes AMPs are safer but they have to catch you in the act so even if it is raided the lady should be able to hid it soon in time. They might make you stay to answer questions.

A house where you don't control the environment can be as dangerous as a hotel room where you don't control the environment. But those are both examples of incall. (Incall is when you, the hobbyist, travel to a location that the provider is using to see multiple clients.).

Outcall is at the *hobbyist's* house. If a provider comes to my house, I can a.) be sure that there is no one lurking in another room to roll me or arrest me, and b.) I can verify that 5 undercover police cars have not been parked nearby.

This doesn't mean that outcall at your residence is perfect, or that there aren't legitimate concerns with it. And it's pretty much off the table for married guys. But I do believe that it's harder for LE to stage a sting at *your* residence.

Most of the guys who are worried about the provider "knowing where they live" are dealing with lower-end girls, or at least that is my guess. At any rate, that is more of a concern the farther down you go on the provider food chain.

Again: there is no 100 percent safe way to hobby. It's a matter of picking the risks that you're most comfortable with, given a.) your individual situation, and b.) the types of girls you tend to see.

[Todd Cincy]

We have another contentious election coming up in 5 months. My guess is that we're pretty evenly divided here between the two political parties.

If the Octagon becomes nothing but a repository for reposting talking points ("Trump is a criminal!" "Biden is a senile old man!"), then it's going to become indistinguishable from Twitter.

And yes, 99 percent of it will be recycled "talking points". Almost all political content on social media (which is what this place is) is derivative.

Yes, all of us know that Trump was convicted last week. All of us know that Joe Biden would be 86 at the end of a second term. We're all aware of the arguments for and against both candidates. We hear them constantly.

The content of the Octagon is loosely defined. But it should probably have at least a tangential connection to the hobby in Cincinnati.

For example, I have *not* been seeing many providers lately because of the low quality and high prices. I sometimes post my general reactions to the local market here. I try to minimize that in the venue-specific threads, because I know the guys there are looking for specific information.

But I wouldn't post a movie review here. I wouldn't talk about long-distance running here. I wouldn't talk about lawn care, or the Trotsky-Stalinist split in the former USSR.

I went through something like this on my personal Facebook feed following the 2020 election. Everyone's feed became a mess of (highly repetitive) political talking points. Trump, Trump, Biden, Biden. Abortion! The border! LGBTQ indoctrination in schools!

There was lots of unfriending and people leaving Facebook altogether.

My friends who are left on Facebook largely don't rant about politics anymore.

I would suggest that we need a gentlemen's agreement to keep the 2024 election off the Octagon, unless the state of the hobby in Cincinnati becomes a major issue in the national campaign.