Rants and Stupid shit in Orange County

[BSouthgate]

Like some other people have mentioned, in the early days you were at the mercy of classified paper ads and trying local massage parlors until you found one that had service and that you liked. There were early advertising sites like Thatmall, City-Source, and CV. TER was the first prominent review board, but there were local ones like Desperado's Blue Board, the two "Trooth" boards, which eventually morphed into HX.

Before those review boards appeared or even before you knew to try the online advertising boards, the whole dynamic was scam city. Orange county was all about cash and dash, no real services, and scam phone banks for "escorts. " There was a whole thing where the cops were ok with these agencies existing and scamming people. So, without boards a lot of people went through the experience I did where they got scammed out of money for basically nothing the first time they tried to see someone. Once you hit '99 the dynamic got better with board advice.

There was a period in the late 90's where there were some really nice massage parlors in the Costa Mesa / South Coast Plaza area. The standards of service were different then, with BBBJ being rare, let alone anything else. But the girls were SMOKING hot at the the time. It was expected that most Korean girls were actually in their 20's and most were her on tourist or student visas and were really chill. There was always a fun tension when you waited in the room not knowing who would come in, until you met favorites that you would request. My all time favorite girl at that time was Minku, was a little 5'0" girl with a gorgeous face, super skinny, with natural DDs like a living anime character. She was super cute and fun and I was a dumbass at the time and didn't pick up the hints that she wanted to hang out with me outside of work, since I was a late 20's kid at the time, including her giving me a personal e-mail address.

That same place I saw a girl who was also pretty hot and clearly raised here. Fun, snarky, and foul mouthed. Imagine my surprise when I used Thatmall a few months later to see the infamous Miss K and it turned out to be the same girl, who was also a porn star who went by Mika Choix. I was a regular for several years. She had this whole thing where she wanted to just try all aspects of the sex industry for fun. Probably my all time favorite for a mix of service, personality, and looks. A typical session with her at her place was hanging out, a massage, and then her edging me with a BBBJ for well over an hour. Those were the days!

In the 2000's the OC review boards grew through the "Trooth" boards until they finally turned in HX. That's when I started making a bit more money and could see more of the porn girls who were on HX and in other places. That was a fun time vs now. There were more personal connections and some of the dynamics were borderline like the modern sugar feel, where there was less rushing and more of a casual connection.

The above is not meant as a "brag," because I think that was a pretty common experience for guys at the time. You hobby a bunch and there were some real gems. I think maybe it's easier to find good experiences these days, but harder to find great experiences, if that makes sense. I wish I could take the girls and attitudes from the 2000's with modern menus to get HOBBY VOLTRON.

Everything kind of consolidated in the 2010's to now. The Korean girls went to a better setup with the apartments, but for various reasons the younger girls stopped coming to the states, so you have the more MILF vibe now. There are still some indies in HX, but most girls have consolidated into a bunch of agencies, some of which are still pretty good. But that all ended up pushing me to mostly deal with the sugar girls. A lot more work, but when you find one the dynamic is great!

In the early 90's, there was a Korean AMP on Baker Street in Newport or CM. I went there at midday. My masseuse was a 20-something, slightly overweight Korean angel. While I was supine on the table with my face in the hole, I felt this delightful sensation of her tongue flicking my anus. Wow, did that feel heavenly? My introduction to rimming.

[Lift Her Up]

I recall the free press too. But those back pages just looked too sleazy and dodgy.

I used the tried-and-true method of driving to a dodgy part of town and looking for any kind of Asian massage. The older and dirtier the furniture the better. Also appealing was an always locked door that you needed to get buzzed in, prices for 30 minutes of massage, and being greeting with "hey baby". Turn offs were any place well decorate with nice smelling aromas, employees wearing nurses scrubs or other uniforms, and high end furniture.

My first MP visit was 1971. The Immigration Reform Act of 1965 went into effect in 1968. MP girls were all White then. I didn't encounter an Asian until 1985. Then they flooded the market with their numbers and their usually superior service, at least in my opinion. This held donation levels down. The first time I was offered FS was in 1974, by a White girl, and I was quoted. 4. Years later I remember being quoted $ by a White. But in 1985 the Asian girls did FS for. 4 at least in SoCal, even though the CPI more than doubled from 1974 to 1985. I've been with Asians ever since, maybe an occasional Latina.

And yes, in my earlier post I forgot to mention the telephone directories too, what a trip those were.

Lift Her UP.

[DarkRoomDaddy]

I used the now-gone weekly newspaper, The Los Angeles Free Press. I paid what they seemed to ask, and if it was too much, I didn't get the extras. In those days, HJ. 15, so when they'd ask. 25 I'd just decline.

Lift Her Up.

I recall the free press too. But those back pages just looked too sleazy and dodgy.

I used the tried-and-true method of driving to a dodgy part of town and looking for any kind of Asian massage. The older and dirtier the furniture the better. Also appealing was an always locked door that you needed to get buzzed in, prices for 30 minutes of massage, and being greeting with "hey baby". Turn offs were any place well decorate with nice smelling aromas, employees wearing nurses scrubs or other uniforms, and high end furniture.

[Blake37]

I lived in OC for a bit when I was a teenager and still have friends there, so I check in on this board and post reviews about my experiences when I am there. But I'm curious about some history in the area. For the older mongers, how did you guys find out about spots in OC before this board existed and how did you know what to pay?

Like some other people have mentioned, in the early days you were at the mercy of classified paper ads and trying local massage parlors until you found one that had service and that you liked. There were early advertising sites like Thatmall, City-Source, and CV. TER was the first prominent review board, but there were local ones like Desperado's Blue Board, the two "Trooth" boards, which eventually morphed into HX.

Before those review boards appeared or even before you knew to try the online advertising boards, the whole dynamic was scam city. Orange county was all about cash and dash, no real services, and scam phone banks for "escorts. " There was a whole thing where the cops were ok with these agencies existing and scamming people. So, without boards a lot of people went through the experience I did where they got scammed out of money for basically nothing the first time they tried to see someone. Once you hit '99 the dynamic got better with board advice.

There was a period in the late 90's where there were some really nice massage parlors in the Costa Mesa / South Coast Plaza area. The standards of service were different then, with BBBJ being rare, let alone anything else. But the girls were SMOKING hot at the the time. It was expected that most Korean girls were actually in their 20's and most were her on tourist or student visas and were really chill. There was always a fun tension when you waited in the room not knowing who would come in, until you met favorites that you would request. My all time favorite girl at that time was Minku, was a little 5'0" girl with a gorgeous face, super skinny, with natural DDs like a living anime character. She was super cute and fun and I was a dumbass at the time and didn't pick up the hints that she wanted to hang out with me outside of work, since I was a late 20's kid at the time, including her giving me a personal e-mail address.

That same place I saw a girl who was also pretty hot and clearly raised here. Fun, snarky, and foul mouthed. Imagine my surprise when I used Thatmall a few months later to see the infamous Miss K and it turned out to be the same girl, who was also a porn star who went by Mika Choix. I was a regular for several years. She had this whole thing where she wanted to just try all aspects of the sex industry for fun. Probably my all time favorite for a mix of service, personality, and looks. A typical session with her at her place was hanging out, a massage, and then her edging me with a BBBJ for well over an hour. Those were the days!

In the 2000's the OC review boards grew through the "Trooth" boards until they finally turned in HX. That's when I started making a bit more money and could see more of the porn girls who were on HX and in other places. That was a fun time vs now. There were more personal connections and some of the dynamics were borderline like the modern sugar feel, where there was less rushing and more of a casual connection.

The above is not meant as a "brag," because I think that was a pretty common experience for guys at the time. You hobby a bunch and there were some real gems. I think maybe it's easier to find good experiences these days, but harder to find great experiences, if that makes sense. I wish I could take the girls and attitudes from the 2000's with modern menus to get HOBBY VOLTRON.

Everything kind of consolidated in the 2010's to now. The Korean girls went to a better setup with the apartments, but for various reasons the younger girls stopped coming to the states, so you have the more MILF vibe now. There are still some indies in HX, but most girls have consolidated into a bunch of agencies, some of which are still pretty good. But that all ended up pushing me to mostly deal with the sugar girls. A lot more work, but when you find one the dynamic is great!

[BSouthgate]

Well how would we feel doing this same job? We all love a good session. So what if MMS said that we could get a job. Every Asian woman who came in, we had to flirt with her, and get turned on, and give her an orgasm. Most assuredly, these customers are not going to be 25 year old super models. They are more like 50 year old plain janes packing a dozen or two extra pounds. Half a dozen of them come in a day. And if we are not nice and flirty with them, they might give a $20 tip or even a dine-and-dash. How much do you think we would enjoy that sex? And now imagine doing it for years. Maybe never having any woman we were actually attracted to. And feeling guilty that we are selling our bodies rather than doing honorable work. How much job satisfaction would we have?

I knew a woman who dated a gynecologist. A guy who inspects pussies all day long. Well he had a hard time getting aroused. In his particular case, he liked slapping this girl across the face during sex, and probably some more serious S&M. She didn't find out, because she called me to pick her up and help her get out of that situation.

How many mongers visit the grannies in Westminster and pay up to $200 for FS? If those same mongers did the job that Dark Room Daddy describes, they would be paid for the same experience.

BTW, I have not yet seen a 25 year old super model in any of the parlors in OC.

[Caribe]

I lived in OC for a bit when I was a teenager and still have friends there, so I check in on this board and post reviews about my experiences when I am there. But I'm curious about some history in the area. For the older mongers, how did you guys find out about spots in OC before this board existed and how did you know what to pay?

We had Backpage and the Craigslist Personals before those online resources were liable for pandering. Before they were shut down there was a lot of mostly accurate info to help in making smart decisions when exploring. After would post our finds on RM, MPR and this site.

[Grimmy23]

I lived in OC for a bit when I was a teenager and still have friends there, so I check in on this board and post reviews about my experiences when I am there. But I'm curious about some history in the area. For the older mongers, how did you guys find out about spots in OC before this board existed and how did you know what to pay?

My mongering history goes back to the early 90's when I started my career and moved to this area. In those days there was no internet. Finding an AMP consisted of looking up "massage" in the yellow pages of your local phone book. There were usually several "oriental massage" places, or shops advertising "all Asian staff" or "international staff" or "nice girls," or something along those lines. It was always pretty clear what they were selling. And then there were the local "newspapers" - the ones that you had to put a quarter in the machine on the sidewalk to buy. The ones whose front pages had pictures of topless girls with stars covering their nipples. You'd wait until nobody was around, then quickly (and awkwardly) dash to the machine, drop a quarter in, and hope to hell the thing didn't jam so you could grab a paper and get the hell out of Dodge. LA X-Press was one of the more prominent ones. It would be full of classified ads from providers, along with big full page color ads for strip clubs and various places like the infamous Paris House in Hollywood which I believe still exists.

At one point when people actually started using the Internet (via dial-up usually, at 300 bps), I remember a site popping up called paranoia.com. I believe it was a precursor to this site and it contained info of not only prostitution but also illegal drugs. Some time later, worldsexguide came along. It was basically this platform except it contained mongering info for the entire planet. And then at some time later, worldsexguide split into USASG and ISG.

[Lift Her Up]

Well how would we feel doing this same job? We all love a good session. So what if MMS said that we could get a job. Every Asian woman who came in, we had to flirt with her, and get turned on, and give her an orgasm. Most assuredly, these customers are not going to be 25 year old super models. They are more like 50 year old plain janes packing a dozen or two extra pounds. Half a dozen of them come in a day. And if we are not nice and flirty with them, they might give a $20 tip or even a dine-and-dash. How much do you think we would enjoy that sex? And now imagine doing it for years. Maybe never having any woman we were actually attracted to. And feeling guilty that we are selling our bodies rather than doing honorable work. How much job satisfaction would we have?

I knew a woman who dated a gynecologist. A guy who inspects pussies all day long. Well he had a hard time getting aroused. In his particular case, he liked slapping this girl across the face during sex, and probably some more serious S&M. She didn't find out, because she called me to pick her up and help her get out of that situation.

Very very well said.

Lift Her Up.

[Lift Her Up]

I lived in OC for a bit when I was a teenager and still have friends there, so I check in on this board and post reviews about my experiences when I am there. But I'm curious about some history in the area. For the older mongers, how did you guys find out about spots in OC before this board existed and how did you know what to pay?

I used the now-gone weekly newspaper, The Los Angeles Free Press. I paid what they seemed to ask, and if it was too much, I didn't get the extras. In those days, HJ. 15, so when they'd ask. 25 I'd just decline.

Lift Her Up.

[DWaits]

I lived in OC for a bit when I was a teenager and still have friends there, so I check in on this board and post reviews about my experiences when I am there. But I'm curious about some history in the area. For the older mongers, how did you guys find out about spots in OC before this board existed and how did you know what to pay?

[DarkRoomDaddy]

I've read various articles where sex workers were interviewed. Some of them, most notably the higher end escorts, do enjoy the sex. Some will even claim that they actually orgasm during sessions. Others are just cum buckets. It's hard to imagine an AMP girl who spreads her legs 10 times a day actually enjoying it, and the majority probably don't. But on the flip side I could see a $300/ hour escort who only sees a handful of guys per week enjoying at least some of the sex. The spectrum is pretty broad.

Well how would we feel doing this same job? We all love a good session. So what if MMS said that we could get a job. Every Asian woman who came in, we had to flirt with her, and get turned on, and give her an orgasm. Most assuredly, these customers are not going to be 25 year old super models. They are more like 50 year old plain janes packing a dozen or two extra pounds. Half a dozen of them come in a day. And if we are not nice and flirty with them, they might give a $20 tip or even a dine-and-dash. How much do you think we would enjoy that sex? And now imagine doing it for years. Maybe never having any woman we were actually attracted to. And feeling guilty that we are selling our bodies rather than doing honorable work. How much job satisfaction would we have?

I knew a woman who dated a gynecologist. A guy who inspects pussies all day long. Well he had a hard time getting aroused. In his particular case, he liked slapping this girl across the face during sex, and probably some more serious S&M. She didn't find out, because she called me to pick her up and help her get out of that situation.

[BSouthgate]

Do the hookers sometimes really enjoy sex? This has been discussed in a few points recently in the MP thread.

My contribution to the discussion is to suggest two books. The first is Martha Stein, Lovers friends slaves, the nine male sexual types and their psycho-sexual transactions with call girls. Stein says she observed about 3,000 sex acts, perhaps exceeding Masters and Johnson's record. The second is Alexa Albert, Brothel, the Mustant Ranch and its women.

I put a lot of credence in women who have spend a whole lot of time with sex workers, talking with them.

Lift Her Up.

Thanks for sharing.

I am a retired scientist and have used the scientific method in all aspects of life. This includes sex with prostitutes. Prostitution is a subject that should be approached objectively and without bias. Unfortunately, so many "scholarly" reports on this subject are written through a highly biased lens and with a biased agenda. The lens is that female prostitutes are victims of evil men, and the agenda is to eliminate prostitution somehow.

Encyclopedia Britannica: Prostitution is the practice of engaging in indiscriminate sexual activity with someone who is not a spouse or a friend in exchange for immediate payment in money or other valuables. Prostitutes may be female or male, and prostitution may entail heterosexual or homosexual activity, but historically, most prostitutes have been women, and most clients are men.

Prostitution is not purchasing women or their bodies or the use of their bodies. It is the exchange of money for sexual services. When I pay for a haircut, I am not buying the barber's hands. When I pay for a hand job, I am not buying the masseuse's hands. I am paying them for their skill and service.

Do hookers enjoy sex with clients? From my experience, sometimes yes and sometimes no. Probably more yes than no. But, as a scientist, I go to the data.

There are many carefully done survey research studies showing that women in all parts of the world engage in prostitution because it is both lucrative and pleasurable work. For example:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...nxYFknDvYOzRKo

https://www.cogitatiopress.com/socia...view/2644/1517

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...23Rt8pXdpnrhiw

These reports confirm that hookers report considerable enjoyment from their work. One study elaborated on the kind of sex that Chinese street girls performed with their customers. The girls rated cunnilingus and vaginal sex with clients as almost always enjoyable and fellatio as sometimes enjoyable.

Here is a video of a Chinese street pro and her customer enjoying sex in a run-down brothel room.

https://www.homepornking.com/video/6...0/777520/?th=1

Larry Horse, a user of the porn tube site Xh. Ter, used a novel research approach to study this issue. Horse asked X. Ter users to view videos showing hookers' faces while they had sex with clients (Group 1) and the faces of wives having sex with their husbands (Group 2). Horse did not tell the users which women were in either group. The 118 viewers answered the question: "Is she enjoying or is she faking enjoyment?" The viewers did not know which faces represented hookers and which represented wives.

Furthermore, according to Horse, most of the wives and hookers were unaware of being imaged during their sexual experiences, so they were not performing for the camera like pornstars.

The results of this excellent research study showed that prostitutes do generally enjoy sex with their clients and that their enjoyment is not less than that of wives with their husbands. I urge you all to read the entire study report here:

https://xhamster.com/users/larryhorse

It is interesting to view one of the hooker videos that Larry Horse used for this epic study:

https://motherless.com/A66DE5E

And to view one of the wife videos:

https://xhamster.com/videos/chinese-...action-1218557

Judge for yourselves which woman is enjoying her sexual experience more, the hooker or the wife.

Do clients enjoy that the hookers are enjoying? Or why should we, who are buying the service, care about the enjoyment of the seller?

Based on conversations with dozens of these women and reading the reports in this and other fora, I am sure most punters want their partners to enjoy. If not, there would not be so much DATY. What is the point of going down on a potentially stinky part of a woman's body if not to make her convulse in orgasmic joy?

There is a potential evolutionary reason for our wanting our hooker partners to enjoy their encounters with us. In humans, sex has been shown to have a bonding as well as a reproductive function. See, for example, the excellent book by Christopher Ryan:

https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stra.../dp/B007679QTG

This book is free on Kindle. When we fuck, even with a hooker, we instinctively want to create a lasting bond with our partner.

Thank you for reading this. I would love to get more input from my brothers.

[Mel]

I've read various articles where sex workers were interviewed. Some of them, most notably the higher end escorts, do enjoy the sex. Some will even claim that they actually orgasm during sessions. Others are just cum buckets. It's hard to imagine an AMP girl who spreads her legs 10 times a day actually enjoying it, and the majority probably don't. But on the flip side I could see a $300/ hour escort who only sees a handful of guys per week enjoying at least some of the sex. The spectrum is pretty broad.

I haven't seen her in about 10-12 years now, but VietKim certainly liked to have sex. I asked her if she had orgasms occasionally, and she said she did. Her eyes would roll back into her head, and if she was faking it, she should win an Oscar.

[Grimmy23]

Do the hookers sometimes really enjoy sex? This has been discussed in a few points recently in the MP thread.

My contribution to the discussion is to suggest two books. The first is Martha Stein, Lovers friends slaves, the nine male sexual types and their psycho-sexual transactions with call girls. Stein says she observed about 3,000 sex acts, perhaps exceeding Masters and Johnson's record. The second is Alexa Albert, Brothel, the Mustant Ranch and its women.

I put a lot of credence in women who have spend a whole lot of time with sex workers, talking with them.

Lift Her Up.

I've read various articles where sex workers were interviewed. Some of them, most notably the higher end escorts, do enjoy the sex. Some will even claim that they actually orgasm during sessions. Others are just cum buckets. It's hard to imagine an AMP girl who spreads her legs 10 times a day actually enjoying it, and the majority probably don't. But on the flip side I could see a $300/ hour escort who only sees a handful of guys per week enjoying at least some of the sex. The spectrum is pretty broad.

[FarFarAway]

Do the hookers sometimes really enjoy sex? This has been discussed in a few points recently in the MP thread.

My contribution to the discussion is to suggest two books. The first is Martha Stein, Lovers friends slaves, the nine male sexual types and their psycho-sexual transactions with call girls. Stein says she observed about 3,000 sex acts, perhaps exceeding Masters and Johnson's record. The second is Alexa Albert, Brothel, the Mustant Ranch and its women.

I put a lot of credence in women who have spend a whole lot of time with sex workers, talking with them.

Lift Her Up.

Long ago, an ex-hooker wrote a book, The Happy Hooker, and became a sex columnist in Penthouse. Xaviera Hollander. Consult her writings.