Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Cartog]

Are you going to tell your sister that she wasn't raped, because her attacker was held liable "only in a civil lawsuit". Is that really where your moral compass points? It's not really a crime if, "it's only a civil lawsuit". BTW, the judge was clear in his instructions to the jury in his second trial against E. Hean Carroll; Trump raped her, and he used that word, "rape".

Trump is a career criminal who has used his wealth to insulate himself from repercussions of his actions.

"it's only a civil trial" is such a weak justification to defend a career criminal.

I was not defending Trump, but just pointing out you were incorrect to imply that he was criminally convicted of the crimes you mention. You can go back to your ranting.

[D Nut]

Just saying. I find it interesting. Joe Biden has told more lies than the last several presidents combined, and has destroyed the country. And we're focused on Trump? Blows my mind. I was just rewatching things Biden said about Afghanistan 20+ years ago, and what he says now, and how he's lied the whole time. The whole time.

I Also find it interesting that every time there's supposed dirt on trump, we end up finding he's innocent, and only to further find out the other party was involved. Russia collusion, omarosa and supposed racism, Ukraine supposed quid pro quo, and now the Stormy Daniels case which is falling apart on the democrats. Not to mention the unexplained $12 million from overseas adversaries. Seriously, and we're focused on Trump? Blows my mind.

And to see such blatent election interference on the part of Biden, just to keep Trump off the campaign trail. And ironically it's caused trumps poll numbers to climb at unprecedented levels, even in blue states! . Why? Because people are starting to see through the BS now. It's hilarious. You can't make this stuff up.

I'm neither republican nor democrat, I'm independent. But I can clearly see they're so afraid of trump and how he'll once again help our country, that they will relentlessly demonize and villianize him in the media any way they can. And even in the now two tiered system of justice that we now live in.

And I'll add this. In the bible, read John chapter 8, the woman who was caught in adultery. One theme screams off the page. And that is, if you're hell bent on hating someone, with such venomous hatred, you'll never see the real truth or even good in someone, because you've already made up your own mind. That bible passage displays so much hypocrisy on the part of those trying to crucify Him, it's not even funny. Just saying.

Since you're so bent on forgiveness Trump's adultery, let me remind you that before there can be forgiveness, there has to be an admission and repentance. Have you ever heard Trump admit any wrongdoing, any at all?

As soon as Trump admits and repents, we can discuss.

[D Nut]

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I Also find it interesting that every time there's supposed dirt on trump, we end up finding he's innocent, and only to further find out the other party was involved.

Being told by a court to repay the $2 million dollars he stole from a charity and to shut down the charity because he can't be trusted is not "finding he's innocent".

Getting found that he sexually assaulted and then defamed a woman so he has to pay her close to $90 million is not, "finding he's innocent".

Getting found by the courts that he filed false financial statements to cheat on taxes and loans and he has to pay close to $400 million is not, "finding he's innocent".

He is currently on trial for election finance fraud, and the grand jury that returned 33 indictments did not, "finding he's innocent".

There's still the GA, the FL, and the DC indictments whose grand juries did not, "finding he's innocent".

[Sad Sack]

Maybe you and your other non-sociopath friend could tell me where to come and hang out. I look forward to your Christian morals rubbing off on me, plus I'd really like to see how "the norm in life and business" affects such an up standing, tax paying, moral living, narrow path following man such as yourself. BTW, I really like your handle G-666, where in the hell did you come up with that?

Huh? Maybe find some non-sociopaths to hang out with. Aggressive tax fraud is not the norm in life and business.

[GoodWill123]

Just saying. I find it interesting. Joe Biden has told more lies than the last several presidents combined, and has destroyed the country. And we're focused on Trump? Blows my mind. I was just rewatching things Biden said about Afghanistan 20+ years ago, and what he says now, and how he's lied the whole time. The whole time.

I Also find it interesting that every time there's supposed dirt on trump, we end up finding he's innocent, and only to further find out the other party was involved. Russia collusion, omarosa and supposed racism, Ukraine supposed quid pro quo, and now the Stormy Daniels case which is falling apart on the democrats. Not to mention the unexplained $12 million from overseas adversaries. Seriously, and we're focused on Trump? Blows my mind.

And to see such blatent election interference on the part of Biden, just to keep Trump off the campaign trail. And ironically it's caused trumps poll numbers to climb at unprecedented levels, even in blue states! . Why? Because people are starting to see through the BS now. It's hilarious. You can't make this stuff up.

I'm neither republican nor democrat, I'm independent. But I can clearly see they're so afraid of trump and how he'll once again help our country, that they will relentlessly demonize and villianize him in the media any way they can. And even in the now two tiered system of justice that we now live in.

And I'll add this. In the bible, read John chapter 8, the woman who was caught in adultery. One theme screams off the page. And that is, if you're hell bent on hating someone, with such venomous hatred, you'll never see the real truth or even good in someone, because you've already made up your own mind. That bible passage displays so much hypocrisy on the part of those trying to crucify Him, it's not even funny. Just saying.

Sorry I didn't see your post yesterday, I would've asked where you were teaching Sunday school class this morning so I could get more biblically educated. You sound like one of the fine religious leaders from Jesus' time. Send me your address so I can mail you 'the first stone' to throw at your almost convicted subject. Of course, I'm sure you realize you'll need a whole pile of rocks to throw at all of the politicians that currently would have a rough time surviving those accusations. Hell, some are probably even be Your favorite stooges. I admire a person who is sooo Christian that they have never fudged on their taxes, amazing. You and Joe are the only two people I know of to make that claim. May God continue keep you sinless, again you are just one of two who I have heard make that particular claim. Holy crap, maybe the second coming has happened!

[Member #6847]

I admire a person who is sooo Christian that they have never fudged on their taxes, amazing. You and Joe are the only two people I know of to make that claim.

Huh? Maybe find some non-sociopaths to hang out with. Aggressive tax fraud is not the norm in life and business.

[Sad Sack]

Sorry I didn't see your post yesterday, I would've asked where you were teaching Sunday school class this morning so I could get more biblically educated. You sound like one of the fine religious leaders from Jesus' time. Send me your address so I can mail you 'the first stone' to throw at your almost convicted subject. Of course, I'm sure you realize you'll need a whole pile of rocks to throw at all of the politicians that currently would have a rough time surviving those accusations. Hell, some are probably even be Your favorite stooges. I admire a person who is sooo Christian that they have never fudged on their taxes, amazing. You and Joe are the only two people I know of to make that claim. May God continue keep you sinless, again you are just one of two who I have heard make that particular claim. Holy crap, maybe the second coming has happened!

Breaking the "Thou shall not steal" (theft of charity money), "Thou shall not bear false witness" (defamation), "Thou shall not commit adultery" (cheated on his first wife with who would be his second wife, then cheated on her with who would be his third wife, and then cheated on her with a porn star), "thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife (E. Jean Carroll was married when Trump sexually assaulted her) are very much anti-Christian.

What did Jesus say about paying taxes? "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's. ". So in other words, pay your taxes. Falsifying financial records to cheat on taxes, is also anti-Christian.

[D Nut]

Such a tragic event in her life that she couldn't remember exactly when it happened.

Stated numerous times the last being with Anderson Cooper that it wasn't rape so what is it then?

Carroll argued that her alleged rape wasn't a big deal because it happens to other people, she's also saying that it wasn't really a rape because it didn't last long and it wasn't even sexual. What?

On 9 May the jury in the civil case returned a verdict that Mr Trump was liable for sexually abusing Ms Carroll, but not raping her.

Nobody and I do mean nobody should get away with rape however. 30 years past before this lady comes forward and can't recount the exact date / time but totally remembers the details of shopping, the color of the clothing, there wasn't a store clerk anywhere. Etc. Sorry but I don't buy it. She saw dollar signs and waited her time to bring it forward almost as if it had something to do with an upcoming election. Again.

Not a Trump supporter. Just a person that pays attention.

A lot of survivors of traumatic experiences don't remember the exact dates. But it's a good thing she told one of her friends what happened right after it happened and she was able to supply that detail during her time on the witness stand.

Were you paying attention to that testimony?

Donald Trump is a career criminal. He described his modus operandi in the Access Hollywood tape, which matches her description of her experience.

He stole charity money for children with cancer and disabled veterans. He cheated people who did work for him. He faked financial forms to pay less taxes.

[CautiousTed]

Such a tragic event in her life that she couldn't remember exactly when it happened.

Stated numerous times the last being with Anderson Cooper that it wasn't rape so what is it then?

Carroll argued that her alleged rape wasn't a big deal because it happens to other people, she's also saying that it wasn't really a rape because it didn't last long and it wasn't even sexual. What?

On 9 May the jury in the civil case returned a verdict that Mr Trump was liable for sexually abusing Ms Carroll, but not raping her.

Nobody and I do mean nobody should get away with rape however. 30 years past before this lady comes forward and can't recount the exact date / time but totally remembers the details of shopping, the color of the clothing, there wasn't a store clerk anywhere. Etc. Sorry but I don't buy it. She saw dollar signs and waited her time to bring it forward almost as if it had something to do with an upcoming election. Again.

Not a Trump supporter. Just a person that pays attention.

Are you going to tell your sister that she wasn't raped, because her attacker was held liable "only in a civil lawsuit". Is that really where your moral compass points? It's not really a crime if, "it's only a civil lawsuit". BTW, the judge was clear in his instructions to the jury in his second trial against E. Hean Carroll; Trump raped her, and he used that word, "rape".

Trump is a career criminal who has used his wealth to insulate himself from repercussions of his actions.

"it's only a civil trial" is such a weak justification to defend a career criminal.

[D Nut]

As far as I know, Trump has never been convicted of the crimes you mention. I believe these were all civil lawsuits where he had judgements issued against him. These are not criminal convictions. Just my 2 cents.

Are you going to tell your sister that she wasn't raped, because her attacker was held liable "only in a civil lawsuit". Is that really where your moral compass points? It's not really a crime if, "it's only a civil lawsuit". BTW, the judge was clear in his instructions to the jury in his second trial against E. Hean Carroll; Trump raped her, and he used that word, "rape".

Trump is a career criminal who has used his wealth to insulate himself from repercussions of his actions.

"it's only a civil trial" is such a weak justification to defend a career criminal.

[Cartog]

Trump is a career criminal. Convicted of sex assault, theft of charity monies that was supposed to go to children with cancer and disabled veterans, and financial fraud. So you are correct. He is not one of them.

As far as I know, Trump has never been convicted of the crimes you mention. I believe these were all civil lawsuits where he had judgements issued against him. These are not criminal convictions. Just my 2 cents.

[CarpetBagger]

No point arguing further about this. If you're comfortable answering all questions, that's cool. As somebody who occasionally engages in illegal activities (like the one everybody on this forum does), I personally will continue doing what I have done successfully for many years with zero negative repercussions, I. E. Not volunteer information unnecessarily to cops on fishing expeditions.

While always polite, I cannot imagine why anyone would ever answer any questions from a cop. Cops passed a civil service test, they're not detectives for a reason. Patrol cops reply 99.5% of self-incrimination, because most criminals are even less clever than a cop.

I forget their handle, but there's a couple of hilarious lawyers (Chicago? Maybe Philly accent?) that constantly give advice, and every traffic stop advice video they do is basically; after you've politely provided license and registration. Shut the fuck up. They say it like 8 times in each video, they're great.

Anywho. I'm not one to tell anybody else what to do, I don't pretend to know what's best for other people. But a big smile and "I don't answer questions" is the end of my cop convos.

[D Nut]

Breaking the "Thou shall not steal" (theft of charity money), "Thou shall not bear false witness" (defamation), "Thou shall not commit adultery" (cheated on his first wife with who would be his second wife, then cheated on her with who would be his third wife, and then cheated on her with a porn star), "thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife (E. Jean Carroll was married when Trump sexually assaulted her) are very much anti-Christian.

What did Jesus say about paying taxes? "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's. ". So in other words, pay your taxes. Falsifying financial records to cheat on taxes, is also anti-Christian.

Sounds to me like you did a good job describing Biden You did leave out snifing ladies an young girls hair.

As far as an, "I know you are but what am I" style of rebuttal / deflection, that was pretty weak. The comparison between the two isn't even close. Do better, HB.

[SteveTimder]

Out of 300 million legal Americans, can we please have better options to choose from?

[Hillbilly Bob]

Breaking the "Thou shall not steal" (theft of charity money), "Thou shall not bear false witness" (defamation), "Thou shall not commit adultery" (cheated on his first wife with who would be his second wife, then cheated on her with who would be his third wife, and then cheated on her with a porn star), "thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife (E. Jean Carroll was married when Trump sexually assaulted her) are very much anti-Christian.

What did Jesus say about paying taxes? "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's. ". So in other words, pay your taxes. Falsifying financial records to cheat on taxes, is also anti-Christian.

Sounds to me like you did a good job describing Biden You did leave out snifing ladies an young girls hair.