Safe Sex Information and Advice

[FarFarAway]

There are a wide range of STDs. Some are for a lifetime. Grasp that. Just like, say, getting an amputation is for a lifetime. That is what getting a retroviral infection is. Regardless of whether you have a SO now, this isn't going to make it easy to find partners in the future. You should check out the demographics of viral STDs that you can find on the CDC website. They tell you the girls in the US least likely to have an infection of those things you don't want to have.

IK we aren't supposed to discuss here whether people do or don't, or should or should not, use protection, for various acts. So I won't.

I have a bowl buddy who vets a girl carefully before bedding her. Tests both ways. However, he ends up in committed relationships w / them, monogamous even, and knows what he is doing. Years long relationships. Better yet, he gives them no sugar (but pays for dates like any self-respecting man would). IK of no one else who has his skills however. And a SO who is so lenient, and in the dark.

You never know what you will catch. I FCed two different married women who swore to me they hadn't cheated on their hubs, and hadn't had sex in years. One I didn't even have intercourse with. Both were asian. After our dates, I found myself w / GI distress. Turns out in both cases I had picked up a parasite. Had to go on flagyl. Now thankfully, the parasite isn't considered a STD, so this did not raise alarm bells. Whew! Still wasnt pleasant.

[Lexx1]

Of course I say this to the one guy in the sugar game who insists on exchanging std tests before he has bare sex with a baby. Ok fine. You're the exception. There's got to be one somewhere and you're it. Most guys who pay for sex don't, in fact, press pause long enough to discuss, order, pay for, and exchange tests. Kudos on your willpower and resolve.

Now, for the 99% of guys who seek bare back from girls they pay for sex, and say things like they can tell a girl is clean because she's new, she said so, she smells good, I looked closely when I was eating her out, and on and on. Those guys are one misjudged bare back away from a lifetime of viral suppression drugs and awkward conversations. And it's not worth it. Way better to play the long game here.

LOL Murrican you're nuts dude. Remember never assume. You know what happens when we assume. You make an ASS out of U and ME. LOL Of course I get checked and ask. Don't want my dick hanging sideways like Cube says in Friday song. Want to keep fucking smoothly into old age. I might need the blue vitamins 20 years from now. But don't want anything else hindering me.

And I know other dudes that ask as well in this game. Pretty sure a bunch of dudes here in this thread do as well. Especially guys with SOs.

[Murrican]

But I'm paying and got into this world of P4 P because of not having to. Don't think I'm just going in raw blind. I ask for tests and I get tested as well.

Of course I say this to the one guy in the sugar game who insists on exchanging std tests before he has bare sex with a baby. Ok fine. You're the exception. There's got to be one somewhere and you're it. Most guys who pay for sex don't, in fact, press pause long enough to discuss, order, pay for, and exchange tests. Kudos on your willpower and resolve.

Now, for the 99% of guys who seek bare back from girls they pay for sex, and say things like they can tell a girl is clean because she's new, she said so, she smells good, I looked closely when I was eating her out, and on and on. Those guys are one misjudged bare back away from a lifetime of viral suppression drugs and awkward conversations. And it's not worth it. Way better to play the long game here.

[Lexx1]

New to Seeking. Been reading reviews for a while. The girls in LA just charge so much I'm thinking about traveling or flying out to somehtin a little more economic. What states are the best and also how do I change the location on my SA.

Edit profile to set your primary location. Then do some research by doing some searches which will center around your primary location.

As for what other states are the best I can't provide input. But most dudes will usually say CA, SoCal. Can't beat our sunny state, LAs melting pot of honeys in all ethnicities and in surrounding counties / cities. Most that come from other states to visit here. Say we got the best girls. You just got to pay the price sometimes if that's what you're looking for.

[WaffleEater]

Here's the problem with what you are doing. Bacteria need a certain sustained level of antibiotics to kill them effectively. If the levels are not high enough, all you are doing is selecting for drug-resistant bacteria. By pre-treating and not taking subsequent doses of dox, all you are doing is keeping dox levels in your system insufficiently high to kill all the bacteria but high enough to select to drug-resistant bacteria. Also dox only works for some but not bacterial-borne STDs. Since you do not know what bacteria you might be infected by and each bacteria requires different antibiotics to kill it, pre-dosing is useless if the bacterial infection you get is not susceptible to dox. If you don't believe me, go ask your physician and he / she will confirm what I have said. PrEP for HIV works by a totally different mechanism, it prevents HIV fro entering your CD4+ cells. But it also has to have a minimum level in your circulation to be effective, ie. 7 days of dosing before unprotected sex. I would definitely recommend against pre-dosing with antibiotics.

Probably the best "pre-doxying" advice I've seen here. The whole thing about taking antibiotics so regularly or in such small amounts after the deed is that you might just be making it worse.

One may as well have gotten HIV if you end up with something like an incurable strain of the clap. It can and does happen, ALL THE TIME. Without violating HIPAA, I've seen maybe 50 or so cases with individuals with incurable strains of chlamydia specifically during my early clinical hour days. A few years back but it was primarily found in solicitors who would do this sort of strategy or take only half the prescribed dosage because it makes you feel like shit.

Even if you do take it regularly and it "kills" the baby strain before it takes hold, you're wiping out your good bacteria as well and it may make you susceptible to other diseases. It's just silly to do this and internet science that makes this so prevalent. You're genuinely better off doing a thorough salt water rinse 3 x day for anything oral related than doing the after-session doxy gig. The risk reward is better and at least you'll have a shot of killing something in the cradle rather than risking life-altering conditions.

[Old Chinese Guy]

What you're thinking of is treating the infection once it takes hold. What I am referring to is using Doxy as a prophylactic. You take a 200 mg dose within 24 hours of having unprotected sex and if you were exposed to any of those bacterial STD's, it drastically reduces thr chance you will develop an infection. Think of it as prep except for bacterial infections. The CDC recently approved this kind of usage of doxy and if you do end up developing an infection, you can treat chlamydia and syphilis with doxycycline over the course of 7 or 14 days instead of getting a penicillin shot which can save you a trip to the clinic. I was given 50 of these pills to use for such things by the health clinic. I'm just putting this info out there since it's a relatively new thing and a lot of people might not be aware that doxycycline can be used this way.

Here's the problem with what you are doing. Bacteria need a certain sustained level of antibiotics to kill them effectively. If the levels are not high enough, all you are doing is selecting for drug-resistant bacteria. By pre-treating and not taking subsequent doses of dox, all you are doing is keeping dox levels in your system insufficiently high to kill all the bacteria but high enough to select to drug-resistant bacteria. Also dox only works for some but not bacterial-borne STDs. Since you do not know what bacteria you might be infected by and each bacteria requires different antibiotics to kill it, pre-dosing is useless if the bacterial infection you get is not susceptible to dox. If you don't believe me, go ask your physician and he / she will confirm what I have said. PrEP for HIV works by a totally different mechanism, it prevents HIV fro entering your CD4+ cells. But it also has to have a minimum level in your circulation to be effective, ie. 7 days of dosing before unprotected sex. I would definitely recommend against pre-dosing with antibiotics.

[Member #6915]

Castle1.

You're absolutely right, when dealing with streetwalkers STI's are always a big (huge?) risk. A condom is always indicated, no if and's or but's. I looked at the CDC website regarding treatment of chlamydia. (The CDC is the "go-to" authority for physicians for the treatment of infectious diseases, including STI's). The CDC does not recommend a 1-time dose of doxycycline. Rather it recommends a 7 day course of doxycycline which provides a 100% cure. An alternative treatment with azithromycin in a one-time dose is effective 74% of cases.

There are also several STI's caused by viruses which are not curable with antibiotics. The best we can do with some of them is to take medications for the rest of your life to keep some of them under control. These include HIV and Herpes and HSV and HPV.

The other reason to be extremely careful out there is the possibility of giving your spouse or GF or partner one of these STI's.

Doing something versus doing nothing. Here's the Doxy-prep from the CDC since you're not going to cite current research. If you have something different for the viewers, please post it. I know the article says it's not 100%. Antibiotics don't work on viruses. I'm not a doctor just posting article. Doxy-Prep is for men and not women. For the complicated people that means guys with balls.

https://www.cdc.gov/std/treatment/do...as-pep-toe.htm

[Castle1]

What you're thinking of is treating the infection once it takes hold. What I am referring to is using Doxy as a prophylactic. You take a 200 mg dose within 24 hours of having unprotected sex and if you were exposed to any of those bacterial STD's, it drastically reduces thr chance you will develop an infection. Think of it as prep except for bacterial infections. The CDC recently approved this kind of usage of doxy and if you do end up developing an infection, you can treat chlamydia and syphilis with doxycycline over the course of 7 or 14 days instead of getting a penicillin shot which can save you a trip to the clinic. I was given 50 of these pills to use for such things by the health clinic. I'm just putting this info out there since its a relatively new thing and a lot of people might not be aware that doxycycline can be used this way.

Castle1.

You're absolutely right, when dealing with streetwalkers STI's are always a big (huge?) risk. A condom is always indicated, no if and's or but's. I looked at the CDC website regarding treatment of chlamydia. (The CDC is the "go-to" authority for physicians for the treatment of infectious diseases, including STI's). The CDC does not recommend a 1-time dose of doxycycline. Rather it recommends a 7 day course of doxycycline which provides a 100% cure. An alternative treatment with azithromycin in a one-time dose is effective 74% of cases.

There are also several STI's caused by viruses which are not curable with antibiotics. The best we can do with some of them is to take medications for the rest of your life to keep some of them under control. These include HIV and Herpes and HSV and HPV.

The other reason to be extremely careful out there is the possibility of giving your spouse or GF or partner one of these STI's.

[One Man]

Ya, it sucks but its a big risk when dealing with street walkers. I admit that I should have kept better track of who I was seeing and when specifically, but even if I kept track perfectly all it would do is give me a specific window and likely suspect, there is no telling who that girl would have hooked up with since then and passed it on to, and even if the girl gets tested regularly and treated early, she could still get reinfected from one of the other guys who hooked up with one of the other girls Basically, its in the wild and contact tracing is a pointless task beyond the immediate personal level. I haven't been back there since, and if I do go back I will be a lot more careful. One thing I will do from now on is use doxycycline any time I do it raw. 200 mg dose within 24 hours cuts your chance of catching chlamydia and syphilis by 90% and gonorrhea by 55% which is not perfect but a significant reduction. Beyond that, just avoiding the drugged out zombies and making sure the girl is clean is all you can really do to mitigate the risks, if you aren't using protection.

Castle1.

You're absolutely right, when dealing with streetwalkers STI's are always a big (huge?) risk. A condom is always indicated, no if and's or but's. I looked at the CDC website regarding treatment of chlamydia. (The CDC is the "go-to" authority for physicians for the treatment of infectious diseases, including STI's). The CDC does not recommend a 1-time dose of doxycycline. Rather it recommends a 7 day course of doxycycline which provides a 100% cure. An alternative treatment with azithromycin in a one-time dose is effective 74% of cases.

There are also several STI's caused by viruses which are not curable with antibiotics. The best we can do with some of them is to take medications for the rest of your life to keep some of them under control. These include HIV and Herpes and HSV and HPV.

The other reason to be extremely careful out there is the possibility of giving your spouse or GF or partner one of these STI's.

[Castle1]

Nice job in catching it early. I'm one of those stubborn raw doggers that need to feel the walls of their love canal in order to achieve shangra la. Unfortunately there's no shots one can take proactive ly just have to clean it up relatively.

Ya, it sucks but its a big risk when dealing with street walkers. I admit that I should have kept better track of who I was seeing and when specifically, but even if I kept track perfectly all it would do is give me a specific window and likely suspect, there is no telling who that girl would have hooked up with since then and passed it on to, and even if the girl gets tested regularly and treated early, she could still get reinfected from one of the other guys who hooked up with one of the other girls Basically, its in the wild and contact tracing is a pointless task beyond the immediate personal level. I haven't been back there since, and if I do go back I will be a lot more careful. One thing I will do from now on is use doxycycline any time I do it raw. 200 mg dose within 24 hours cuts your chance of catching chlamydia and syphilis by 90% and gonorrhea by 55% which is not perfect but a significant reduction. Beyond that, just avoiding the drugged out zombies and making sure the girl is clean is all you can really do to mitigate the risks, if you aren't using protection.

[Lift Her Up]

Start taking PrEP. It's free at the clinic. Also you can get a prescription for it from your doctor.

I plan to go to the county health center in Orange County, Caliornia. Do any of you have any experience there?

Lift Her Up.

[HeadJudge]

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[Valley6]

So basically our odds of getting hiv from k girls is virtually non existent? I'm just wondering here since not many people speak about this risk when barebacking.

Heterosexual sex transmission is the main transmission route for HIV in many countries. So be cautious.

[ElonMusk]

Chance of HIV per PIV exposure to someone HIV-positive is .08%. https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medic...-exposure.html.

.4% of people in the USA have HIV. 88% of those with HIV know they have HIV, 12% don't. Drug use and anal sex are the cause of most infections, despite being a small fraction of exposures. I.e. they are the riskiest behaviors.

Let's assume the worst case that among those with HIV, even though they know they have HIV, they are equally having unprotected sex as those without HIV. Your chance of having bb sex with a random American is. 00032 percent per exposure (.0008 x .004 = .0000032) or more simply put 1 in about 300,000 (1 / .0000032). Remember, that is per sex act and most people have bb sex more than once in their life. But we can assume things are better than the worst case, in that some HIV positive people who know they have it are no longer having unprotected sex (in addition to others who are taking effective antivirals which drop the HIV viral load to undetectable).

Now moving on to South Korea, the rate of HIV is far less at a rate below .1%. In fact, the vast majority of HIV positive in South Korea are men (88%), and if you filter out men and foreigners you find that for ethnic Korean women it drops to .01% of the population. That's roughly 40 times less than the number we used for an American.

If I got HIV, I would not be telling people here about it any time soon. It took almost 20 years for me to post about all the other STDs I've gotten, after processing it and "moving on".

So basically our odds of getting hiv from k girls is virtually non existent? I'm just wondering here since not many people speak about this risk when barebacking.

[FreeWally]

I wonder though, all these years on this forum, never have I seen anyone got HIV, more on STD and as for STD, PrEP does not prevent any I believe.

Chance of HIV per PIV exposure to someone HIV-positive is .08%. https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medic...-exposure.html.

.4% of people in the USA have HIV. 88% of those with HIV know they have HIV, 12% don't. Drug use and anal sex are the cause of most infections, despite being a small fraction of exposures. I.e. they are the riskiest behaviors.

Let's assume the worst case that among those with HIV, even though they know they have HIV, they are equally having unprotected sex as those without HIV. Your chance of having bb sex with a random American is. 00032 percent per exposure (.0008 x .004 = .0000032) or more simply put 1 in about 300,000 (1 / .0000032). Remember, that is per sex act and most people have bb sex more than once in their life. But we can assume things are better than the worst case, in that some HIV positive people who know they have it are no longer having unprotected sex (in addition to others who are taking effective antivirals which drop the HIV viral load to undetectable).

Now moving on to South Korea, the rate of HIV is far less at a rate below .1%. In fact, the vast majority of HIV positive in South Korea are men (88%), and if you filter out men and foreigners you find that for ethnic Korean women it drops to .01% of the population. That's roughly 40 times less than the number we used for an American.

If I got HIV, I would not be telling people here about it any time soon. It took almost 20 years for me to post about all the other STDs I've gotten, after processing it and "moving on".