General Reports

[Katokay]

I read both doj reports. Check online, they're viewable to the public. The main handler Han or Hana is a woman the other 2 are men. The providers were paid 50% of the fees and kept all tips. The providers were concerned about being caught not about being forced to prostitute. No one is being charged with trafficking. Media outlets are never going to report on most of the facts that don't portray the women as victims.

[Comcast7777]

Shame there isn't a better use of the courts time and resources. I also saw there was a doctor in the group. The guy probably works 80+ hours a week giving back to the people and is faced with losing his career and reputation for letting off a little steam so he can keep going. Do we really want less doctors and divorces for a headline? This is beyond crazy at this point.

It really makes no sense. They're arguing for access because of all the media attention. The reason why it got so much attention is because of the media. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. All they have to do is stir up interest and then they get special access to material that they wouldn't otherwise? Fucking insane.

[EireAnn]

Shame there isn't a better use of the courts time and resources. I also saw there was a doctor in the group. The guy probably works 80+ hours a week giving back to the people and is faced with losing his career and reputation for letting off a little steam so he can keep going. Do we really want less doctors and divorces for a headline? This is beyond crazy at this point.

[JmSuttr]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/02/...d-brothel-sjc/

https://archive.is/pvocO

Looks like the privacy and due process arguments will be decided by the full court, assuming the SJC doesn't reject the appeals. That's pretty much what I expected.

Now it'll be interesting to see with what sense of urgency (or lack thereof) the SJC addresses the issue. And also whether they schedule any oral argumentation or simply decide based on the briefs submitted by all the parties. One other item of note is that, per the report, only 14 defendants filed appeals. Does that mean only 14 (alleged) clients are in legal jeopardy? If so, that doesn't square with earlier numbers (28, IIRC) that have been floated out there. Not sure what that means, exactly, but we'll learn more as the saga unfolds! Also, not sure how things work in MA, but it's possible there could be amicus briefs (from the media, and others), which could turn this into a real three-ring circus! Get the popcorn ready.

P.S. H / T to the Boston forum member who sent me the article. I don't have permission to divulge his handle, but I wanted to say a public thanks that I'm sure he'll see.

P. P.S. Second link to the article bypasses the paywall.

[Matty1169]

And although I do definitely agree with you, I just thought they were entertaining vids, that's all. But everything you said was spot on man and you are 100% correct. I certainly wouldn't go around doing that shit, it's extremely risky. You do that type a stuff and it makes you a target with your local law enforcement. LMAO, a officer will be like "oh yeah fellas let's rough this joker clown up for taping us". You basically become a mark at that point. Me personally, I just like to avoid Drama with any LE people and just let them b. But it's always funny when the guys out here get smart aleck with the cops or they post about how they did before. I'm like "bro you're crazy, LMAO, but at the same time respect for having balls to be a wise ass to them". Even if you out school them at their own Game, it's best to not be a shrewd about it. I don't even bother with that shit, plus lot of you out here are smarter than me when it comes to stuff.

[Bosnas]

Interesting that the primary investigating law enforcement agency was Homeland Security, and not the FBI or another more established federal agency.

HSI always takes the lead on things like this.

[SalamanderFour]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/o...ted-grand-jury

They couldn't make a case for Human Trafficking.

It's always about the money.

Interesting that the primary investigating law enforcement agency was Homeland Security, and not the FBI or another more established federal agency.

[TommyDawson]

The providers literally bought their own flights to Boston and Virginia, completely negating the narrative these were helpless trafficked women.

The investigators admit the owners screened customers for the safety of the providers. There's zero evidence this was some foreign intel honeypot operation.

Only 60 grand was recovered when there was millions of deposits. The people who really made money here were the real estate developers in Boston and VA. All those rent payments add up.

The press release mentioned collaboration of various justice departments, the Cambridge / Watertown Police, and the US Postal Service. Local authorities in Virginia and noticeably missing.

This story was released on a Friday afternoon. The worst time if you want media coverage. The narrative in many of the comments sections has shifted away from "release the names of these politician sex traffickers" to "why are the Feds wasting resources policing consenting adults".

[JmSuttr]

This disgusting circus is back on track. SJC decided that:

<< I conclude that the Clerk-Magistrate's decision to open the show cause hearings and deny pre-hearing access to the applications for complaint does not constitute an abuse of discretion or error of law. Opening the show cause hearings to the public, as she found, promotes transparency, accountability, and public confidence in the judiciary by demonstrating that each individual accused of these crimes, no matter their station in life, is treated equally. The Clerk-Magistrate, in her findings, articulated an adequate basis for denying access to the applications for complaint; the disclosure of extraneous personal information could create "collateral consequences for the individuals involved, and gratuitously expose non-public information that would otherwise remain private for those persons for whom no probable cause is established. ".

So, hearings will be open to public, press won't get the actual applications.

In the federal system, an interim order by a single judge, or the decision of a panel (usually consisting of 3 judges) can be appealed to the entire court. For the federal system, at the appellate level, this is called a request for an 'en banc' review. Not sure how things work in MA but it's hard to imagine that a single justice will have the absolute last word on the matter. I would imagine that defense attorneys would appeal to the entire Supreme Court to hear their arguments on due process and privacy grounds. And it might even be possible for defense attorneys to turn to federal courts for protection of their clients' Constitutional rights.

Hard to say, but if this truly is the end of the legal trail for the public vs private determination, then everyone who's been summoned is screwed. We'll know soon enough as they'll either announce new probable cause hearing dates, or we'll hear about more delays.

[EireAnn]

This disgusting circus is back on track. SJC decided that:

<< I conclude that the Clerk-Magistrate's decision to open the show cause hearings and deny pre-hearing access to the applications for complaint does not constitute an abuse of discretion or error of law. Opening the show cause hearings to the public, as she found, promotes transparency, accountability, and public confidence in the judiciary by demonstrating that each individual accused of these crimes, no matter their station in life, is treated equally. The Clerk-Magistrate, in her findings, articulated an adequate basis for denying access to the applications for complaint; the disclosure of extraneous personal information could create "collateral consequences for the individuals involved, and gratuitously expose non-public information that would otherwise remain private for those persons for whom no probable cause is established. ".

So, hearings will be open to public, press won't get the actual applications.

Makes absolutely no sense. The Feds couldn't even indict for human trafficking so what's the justification to open usually closed proceeding. This is really motivating me to move out of this shithole of a state. Running lives for a victimless crime is despicable.

[Hyperion11]

This disgusting circus is back on track. SJC decided that:

<< I conclude that the Clerk-Magistrate's decision to open the show cause hearings and deny pre-hearing access to the applications for complaint does not constitute an abuse of discretion or error of law. Opening the show cause hearings to the public, as she found, promotes transparency, accountability, and public confidence in the judiciary by demonstrating that each individual accused of these crimes, no matter their station in life, is treated equally. The Clerk-Magistrate, in her findings, articulated an adequate basis for denying access to the applications for complaint; the disclosure of extraneous personal information could create "collateral consequences for the individuals involved, and gratuitously expose non-public information that would otherwise remain private for those persons for whom no probable cause is established. ".

So, hearings will be open to public, press won't get the actual applications.

[TheGodsDecree]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/o...ted-grand-jury

They couldn't make a case for Human Trafficking.

It's always about t,he money.

BTT was a brothel with women doing this by their own decision (they aren't victims). If johns are charged these women should be charged, too. If they plan a walk of shame then it should be for both clients and sex workers.

[Bosnas]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/o...ted-grand-jury

They couldn't make a case for Human Trafficking.

It's always about the money.

[JmSuttr]

It's called at PeoplesCourtAudit on YouTube. It's a really entertaining YT channel if anyone wants to check it out. People film their Rights to dumb LE officers, who think they know the Law, better than civilians. On particular things, but then the civilians school the officer, by outeducating them. Making them look like fools, Owning the officer, is what these YouTubers call it. LMAO, very entertaining, MHO.

I know Lusty definitely knows his stuff and so don't lot of you, In General. Of when it comes to "Am I being detained officer I know my Rights if not I'm going to move along ". I remember him mentioning this type of stuff in the past and I'm always a fan of those posts. AM Acknowledge Me you funny too brotha. I appreciate you guys knowledge. Mean this sincerely.

I haven't watched that channel, and I'm sure it's entertaining, but I hope they make it clear that there are significant risks involved in "owning" LEOs, no matter how wrong or dumb they are.

That's because they have a LOT of different ways they can use, ethically or otherwise, to ensure that they get the last laugh. They have powers of arrest and detention and, if challenged (no matter how correctly), they can make your life pretty difficult. Here's an example: A monger gets stopped by LE as he's coming out of an AMP. He can obviously just remain silent, or say he was just getting a massage (and nothing else), but he decides he wants to teach the dumb LEO a lesson. After a few minutes pass, the LEO says something like "Do you smell that?" and says that he smells something that could be contraband (cannabis, hash, booze, whatever) and will need to detain you until he can investigate further. Then he calls for a drug-sniffing K-9 unit, which may be coming from far away. Then he calls for backup, and maybe a Sgt. Then they all confer to see what they can possibly do to screw with the guy pulling a "contempt of cop" attitude. Maybe the monger is squeaky clean, and his vehicle has absolutely Nothing wrong with it. In that case, all he's lost is time. But there's a not insignificant chance that they might find (or make up) something. Also, if they find some real or pretext reason to arrest you, they will almost certainly tow your vehicle. If that happens, they get to go through everything in your car (trunk included) without needing a search warrant. That's because they're allowed to take an inventory of the contents to protect against later claims that LE took something from the vehicle.

People can do what they want, and that's a risk-reward calculation everyone needs to make for themselves. FWIW, I'm keepin' my damn mouth shut, or the absolute bare minimum required, no matter what!

[Matty1169]

It's called at PeoplesCourtAudit on YouTube. It's a really entertaining YT channel if anyone wants to check it out. People film their Rights to dumb LE officers, who think they know the Law, better than civilians. On particular things, but then the civilians school the officer, by outeducating them. Making them look like fools, Owning the officer, is what these YouTubers call it. LMAO, very entertaining, MHO.

I know Lusty definitely knows his stuff and so don't lot of you, In General. Of when it comes to "Am I being detained officer I know my Rights if not I'm going to move along ". I remember him mentioning this type of stuff in the past and I'm always a fan of those posts. AM Acknowledge Me you funny too brotha. I appreciate you guys knowledge. Mean this sincerely.