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[Comcast7777]

Just when you thought you couldn't have any less respect for the media. Basically having access to the hearings wasn't enough for them because it didn't allow them to publicly embarrass people because they wouldn't have all the pertinent information to properly identify them. So the Globe and WBUR jointly petitioned to gain access to the documents that identify the 28 accused so that they could at least have some fun and get some clicks out of other peoples misery. Absolutely shameful.

One good thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet is that the clerk magistrate for Cambridge district court was part of the group (along with the defense attorneys) who protested this action by the media and thus sent the issue to the SJC. Maybe the 28 will get a decently fair shake after all.

One question I've had that is separate from this latest news and I'm wondering if someone who has better knowledge of the law can help out. These referrals from the Cambridge PD, do they cover incidents that happened in Watertown too? Meaning let's say LE has evidence of someone being at a Watertown location but not Cambridge, would they be part of this group because it's considered a state charge? Or would action have to be taken by Watertown PD instead of Cambridge? Thanks in advance if anyone can help.

[Bosnas]

Here's a repost of my half of a PM discussion in the Northern Virginia forum:

(Note: I'm not an attorney and I don't live in MA, so feel free to point out anything I may have gotten wrong).

Good news for defendants, and potential defendants, bad news for the prosecution (IMO).

Here's my line of thinking: Local MA prosecutors could have chosen any date they wanted to begin court proceedings. The fact that they chose the 18th, 19th, and 22nd, demonstrates that they felt they had all their ducks in a row and were good to go. One essential part of their preparation would have been to anticipate the kinds of motions and tactics likely to be used by defense attorneys.

Therefore, a last-minute delay can only mean that there's a fly in the ointment. It's hard to guess how serious the problem is, but it's absolutely clear that there is SOME kind of problem. Or perhaps some defense attorney motion they hadn't anticipated and don't have a ready answer for.

And any delay will be used by defense attorneys to double-down, especially since they're sure to see this as a sign of weakness on the part of the prosecution. One thing I think they'll pummel the judge with is the fundamental unfairness of allowing public hearings. Here's where MA law is weird (IMO) - in VA an arrest is made when (and only when) probable cause of a statutory violation is found. That finding can be made by LE at the time of the alleged offense (ex. DUI, assault, etc.). Or it can be made later via affidavit for arrest warrant or Grand Jury indictment, both of which have to be signed by a magistrate or judge. In ALL of those examples, the info of the arrestee doesn't become public until AFTER there's a finding of probable cause justifying the arrest AND the arrest is actually made.

In MA, however, none of the 28 alleged clients have been arrested and no probable cause to justify an arrest has yet been found. It seems to me that there are profound due process and privacy issues at stake here. And that's what I hope defense attorneys are hammering away at. We'll know more in a few days and it wouldn't surprise me to see either a reversal of the public hearing decision, or an appeal on that issue to a higher court. If there's an appeal, that will likely result in an additional delay.

Just to clarify on some points.

It's not in the hands of the District Attorney/ AG as of yet. This is a referral process to determine if this will even make into their hands to prosecute.

So it was the court that scheduled these dates and not the Prosecution. It will most likely be a representative from the Cambridge PD reading the Complaint / Police Report to the Magistrate.

I doubt they will cancel the hearings outright, that is going to happen, it's now just a question of when.

[Member #6638]

Hopefully, they understand most of us are insignificant people. They will destroy us for nothingno political gain, not anything. Meanwhile, the agencies are still there, and thousands banging sex workers as I write this.

And the plot thickens. Hopefully this is a sign of justice to delay and unlimitedly dismiss this case against citizens. Most likely one or several of the accused is connected and have some reach politically to get this thrown out. It was pretty shameful to begin with to make it public, but people wanted heads to roll to idk show they "did something" or make examples of people. Either way the real fight is the underground associations that run these things that are linked to several shady activities. Go after that instead of tossing a horny citizen in jail for your stupid press release.

[Mattis1775]

Hopefully, they understand most of us are insignificant people. They will destroy us for nothingno political gain, not anything. Meanwhile, the agencies are still there, and thousands banging sex workers as I write this.

You're absolutely right. There is absolutely no gain at all, just to humiliate and praise for the the office. They tried to embarrass Bob Kraft, one of the most powerful man in the NFL with a simple HJ. If they can go all out on him, they can do the same to us insignificant people. Hollywood stars are already facing this and most of them did nothing wrong. Big difference is that he's still one of the most powerful man in the NFL. But a simple leak like this can ruin our lives forever. Ashley Madison list did just that to so many people.

[JmSuttr]

The hearings are delayed while SJC decides whether they should be public or not. Hopefully a move into the right direction:

https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/17...x-ring-brothel

Here's a repost of my half of a PM discussion in the Northern Virginia forum:

(Note: I'm not an attorney and I don't live in MA, so feel free to point out anything I may have gotten wrong).

Good news for defendants, and potential defendants, bad news for the prosecution (IMO).

Here's my line of thinking: Local MA prosecutors could have chosen any date they wanted to begin court proceedings. The fact that they chose the 18th, 19th, and 22nd, demonstrates that they felt they had all their ducks in a row and were good to go. One essential part of their preparation would have been to anticipate the kinds of motions and tactics likely to be used by defense attorneys.

Therefore, a last-minute delay can only mean that there's a fly in the ointment. It's hard to guess how serious the problem is, but it's absolutely clear that there is SOME kind of problem. Or perhaps some defense attorney motion they hadn't anticipated and don't have a ready answer for.

And any delay will be used by defense attorneys to double-down, especially since they're sure to see this as a sign of weakness on the part of the prosecution. One thing I think they'll pummel the judge with is the fundamental unfairness of allowing public hearings. Here's where MA law is weird (IMO) - in VA an arrest is made when (and only when) probable cause of a statutory violation is found. That finding can be made by LE at the time of the alleged offense (ex. DUI, assault, etc.). Or it can be made later via affidavit for arrest warrant or Grand Jury indictment, both of which have to be signed by a magistrate or judge. In ALL of those examples, the info of the arrestee doesn't become public until AFTER there's a finding of probable cause justifying the arrest AND the arrest is actually made.

In MA, however, none of the 28 alleged clients have been arrested and no probable cause to justify an arrest has yet been found. It seems to me that there are profound due process and privacy issues at stake here. And that's what I hope defense attorneys are hammering away at. We'll know more in a few days and it wouldn't surprise me to see either a reversal of the public hearing decision, or an appeal on that issue to a higher court. If there's an appeal, that will likely result in an additional delay.

[Frabo]

Looks like client names are safe for now. Mass SJC has stayed the probable cause hearings.

https://www.boston25news.com/news/lo...LKROPQ3CJIWSA/

[TheGodsDecree]

The hearings are delayed while SJC decides whether they should be public. Hopefully a move into the right direction:

https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/17...x-ring-brothel

Hopefully, they understand most of us are insignificant people. They will destroy us for nothing—no political gain, not anything. Meanwhile, the agencies are still there, and thousands banging sex workers as I write this.

[Hyperion11]

The hearings are delayed while SJC decides whether they should be public or not. Hopefully a move into the right direction:

https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/17...x-ring-brothel

[Member #6638]

Looks like someone on the other forum posted that he received a summons. Obviously feel horrible for the guy but could be good news for those who haven't received anything yet.

Yea I mean the dates are already coming up. So if you didn't receive anything yet. Probably can breathe a bit assuming they don't go another round, but I doubt that'd be the case. This is probably just showing they are "trying" to do something. Sucks either way especially the public aspect of it all if the names of these individuals do get released.

[ThizzleHats]

Which forum? The internet is chock full of sites.

The oThER forum people usually call it.

[Sounds]

Which forum? The internet is chock full of sites.

Don't think it can be posted because is a competing site, which is why it is always referred to as the other forum.

[SalamanderFour]

Looks like someone on the other forum posted that he received a summons. Obviously feel horrible for the guy but could be good news for those who haven't received anything yet.

Which forum? The internet is chock full of sites.

[LustyB]

I made the move down from HR to HHR especially for first visits since so many girls seem to be one and done anyway.i never felt like I was getting my moneys worth for the hour. Should I make the move down to QV? It doesn't normally save all that much but everything counts. What is usually the difference? Is it just a BJ or FS? Is it clothed or something? I know it probably varies but what is the norm?

Depends on the girl. Some QV don't include FS, some do. I've found it's about 50/50 whether FS is included. A lot of QV I've done include it and it's really about 20 min. But YMMV.

[Comcast7777]

Looks like someone on the other forum posted that he received a summons. Obviously feel horrible for the guy but could be good news for those who haven't received anything yet.

[Style20]

I made the move down from HR to HHR especially for first visits since so many girls seem to be one and done anyway.i never felt like I was getting my moneys worth for the hour. Should I make the move down to QV? It doesn't normally save all that much but everything counts. What is usually the difference? Is it just a BJ or FS? Is it clothed or something? I know it probably varies but what is the norm?

You should do the hour if it's someone you seeing more than 3 times that treat you good and doesn't watch the time.