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  1. #17037
    Quote Originally Posted by Stewy56  [View Original Post]
    High tax revenue for the smaller cities, very little trouble or police runs to most clubs, very liberal Wayne county, big 3 Auto, blue collar non religious area of country, proximity and competion from Canada.
    All good comments re Detroit. I'll share my personal observations.

    I discovered the Detroit club scene in the mid 90's. At the time extras were not so readily available or apparent. I'm sure they happened, but it was more discrete and I didn't make enough money at the time to find out.

    Then the 2008/2009 Great Financial Recession happened. At the time, Players was my go to club. I remember walking in after the stock market crashed in September 2008 and 2 out of the Big 3 had just filed for bankruptcy. The club seemed devoid of (laid off) customers, but a new dancer came up to me and immediately offered $100 BBJ /$200 FS /$300 Anal before I had time to find a seat and order my first drink. That's when I realized that the Detroit clubs had became a customer's / buyer's market thanks to the GFR. After that, it seemed to me that a lot of new dancers (whose boyfriends probably got laid off) flooded the clubs and extras were readily offered. It remained that way for a few years until Detroit hired Chief Craig and he started cracking down on VIP activities on 8 Mile around 2016 or so, but it was a great run for several years if you were a regular customer at an 8 Mile club.

  2. #17036

    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bmarr77  [View Original Post]
    Wow sam, sounds like you had a good time and she was a PSE!
    Absolutely a PSE. Only thing she said no to was me filming her. And frankly, I asked up front before we even kissed. I wouldn't be surprised if she had a different answer once things were hot & heavy, she was very into it.

  3. #17035

    Opportunity

    Quote Originally Posted by WinterKnight  [View Original Post]
    Several members have posted that Detroit clubs are better than most other clubs in the US, in terms of availability and extras. Can anyone say why?
    Club owners want the money, and pay off local cops to look the other way. Clubs will still get bachelor parties, guys that just want to look or get lap dances, etc. But also it gets in guys like me that are willing to pay a cover, buy a drink, pay a VIP fee, and pay a stripper to be a hoe.

    It's not just Detroit, clubs are like this everywhere. I've listed all the cities where I've gotten FS in clubs and its basically every major city where I've visited a strip club. NYC & Indy are the only two places I can think of where I struck out in every club.

  4. #17034
    Quote Originally Posted by WinterKnight  [View Original Post]
    Several members have posted that Detroit clubs are better than most other clubs in the US, in terms of availability and extras. Can anyone say why?
    My experience:

    1) Abundance of talent at several different price points. Plenty of hot but expensive women. Also a fair number of attractive but affordable women. They come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. Performance will always vary, but I've found that truly good experiences in clubs are tough to come by, especially if you're looking for full service. I've had tons of good experiences in the Detroit scene. Pound for pound, I have more fun in Detroit.

    2) Clubs are stable and safe, despite not being in very good areas. I was speaking to the head bartender at Bogie's one day and she told me that the ownership group for the club has some local community ties which make it so they can run like a legit business despite being a brothel. Because the clubs are fairly stable, the girls tend to stay there longer and build up bases of regulars. They make more money with regulars, so they're generally happier than dancers who pop in and out of the industry and are always struggling to make ends meet. There are a good number of tenured, professional ****** on the circuit. They're smart and good at what they do.

    3) Most of the suburbs where these clubs are located are fairly cheap areas to live. Because you're not in a place like Manhattan or LA, the girls can cover their costs with less money. So they can get away with charging less money to their clientele. Keeps prices fairly affordable, especially in the low-end clubs, despite the talent there being pretty decent most days.

    Now if you want to know WHY these things are the way that they are, I have no idea. I'm not a ***** historian.

  5. #17033

    Nicole at BTs

    I had a nice experience with Nicole at BT's on a recent afternoon visit. Shortly after I settled into a booth with a drink, she approached and asked if she could join me. Looks wise, the was certainly acceptable but not a knockout (average body, slightly droopy boobs, light brown straight hair, nice face). But she seemed confident and sexy so I invited her to join me. Good decision. When she sat down, she reached over to my lap and started fondling me. We had a nice conversation, although my memory may have been impaired by the rush of blood from my head to my crotch. She mentioned that she was from West Virginia and would only be at BT until the end of this week.

    With a little bit of urging from me, she moved her fondling from the outside to the inside of my pants. What a great strategy to sell a private dance. Anyhow, we negotiated for an "everything" dance for 200. She enjoys her work and delivered a great session. I tipped accordingly.

    I've read of a Nicole who works at Henry VIII and but I've never met her. For forum readers who "know" (in the Biblical sense) Nicole at Henry VIII, does this sound like the same person? Regardless, Nicole at BT's provides an outstanding private dance.

  6. #17032
    Quote Originally Posted by SamPerkins420  [View Original Post]
    Stopped in on Sunday during the Lions game around 2 pm. Parked in the plaza lot one block east so I didn't have to valet. No cover, or fees for booths or tables. 8-10 please scattered around, same number of dancers. All were very fit, though there were two pretty black girls with absolutely massive fake asses, that's definitely not my thing.

    I saw an Italian / Middle Eastern looking girl (Naomi, I think?) that I was interested in but she was grabbed by a PL as soon as she came out of VIP with another guy. The grabber chatted with her a bit, she went to the locker room for like 10 min then came back and disappeared with him into VIP.

    Saw a skinny tatted chick that looked like she would do anything and got her attention, she came over. Very thin, looked to be in her 30's, decent face. No tits. Went by Katie in the club. Discussed what she liked, she opened with $300 for no song count FS, I countered with $150, we settled on $200. Went to back, bouncer requested $20 VIP fee.

    In back we started with DFK then she dropped to her knees for an excellent BBBJ. Eventually I sat in the chair and watched her blow me in the mirror, very hot. Asked for butt stuff but she said no. Once I was ready to fuck she threw on a rubber & hopped on. I started rubbing her asshole then inserted a finger, she loved it. In fact, I removed it after a couple of minutes, so she spit on her hand, shoved the spit up her butthole, then took my hand and put it back on, saying "finger my ass while you fuck me. " OK!

    I got two fingers in as she rode me, and reached other hand around to rub her clit. By now she was really into it and was like "OMG I'm going to squirt," which she did, I could feel it all over my crotch. Kind of grossed me out so I stood up and bent her over. Told her I wanted to fuck her ass, she said no, but after a minute she reached back and moved my cock from her pussy to her ass. Very nice tight asshole and she was almost screaming she enjoyed it so much. Got it all the way in.

    Told her I wanted to finish in her mouth so she moved away from the chair, I sat down & took off the condom, and she went to town. This time she reached under and was rubbing & a little fingering of my asshole while blowing me, it felt great. Told her I was about to cum, she took a huge shot in her mouth then pulled off me bc it was dripping out the sides of her lips. I wasn't done and she was rubbing me so I blew more including on her face & in her hair. It was hot AF.

    Got up, she handed me some wipes to clean off my fingers. Gave her the $200 plus a $20 tip for being so into it. Asked for her number, she said she doesn't give it out so I gave her my Sideline # and told her to text anytime.

    All in all a great visit, total cost around $260 including drink + tip, VIP fee, and session. BT's is basically Criket but a little more expensive.
    Wow sam, sounds like you had a good time and she was a PSE!

  7. #17031

    Re: Detroit better than most

    Quote Originally Posted by ChimilDetin  [View Original Post]
    First off, it's kind of a statement of fact.

    I think it has to do with prevailing forces in Detroit over the last 50 years or so.

    While Detroit is no longer as bad a place as Robocop (in a mocking dystopian future), Eminem and others made it out to be at its worst, it was bad for a long time. When the rust belt's industry largely left, the population went way down and left a lot of rundown, abandoned spaces, the "ruins of Detroit. " A significantly smaller population and tax base left the police departments underfunded and overwhelmed. Many low-income folks who didn't escape turned to drugs and crime, and the abandoned spaces made it both easier for those activities to happen and harder to police.

    In other places, where police are better funded and politicians have fewer massive issues to deal with, politicians can focus on victimless crimes between consenting adults to win political points, Detroit had bigger issues to deal with for a long time. When there are too many drugs and murders to stop, why focus on the victimless crimes?

    Furthermore, for those low-to-middle income folks, chances for dancers to make more money and to customers ease some of their pain with adult services wasn't something either were against, while there were still enough automotive bigwigs around to want services, too. So clubs did well, dancers saw it as a way to make money if they were willing to go the extra mile, there isn't the vice coverage or want to stop it, and the culture just kind of rose up from there.

    That's always been my impression. Others might see it differently.
    High tax revenue for the smaller cities, very little trouble or police runs to most clubs, very liberal Wayne county, big 3 Auto, blue collar non religious area of country, proximity and competion from Canada.

  8. #17030
    Quote Originally Posted by WinterKnight  [View Original Post]
    Several members have posted that Detroit clubs are better than most other clubs in the US, in terms of availability and extras. Can anyone say why?
    First off, it's kind of a statement of fact.

    I think it has to do with prevailing forces in Detroit over the last 50 years or so.

    While Detroit is no longer as bad a place as Robocop (in a mocking dystopian future), Eminem and others made it out to be at its worst, it was bad for a long time. When the rust belt's industry largely left, the population went way down and left a lot of rundown, abandoned spaces, the "ruins of Detroit. " A significantly smaller population and tax base left the police departments underfunded and overwhelmed. Many low-income folks who didn't escape turned to drugs and crime, and the abandoned spaces made it both easier for those activities to happen and harder to police.

    In other places, where police are better funded and politicians have fewer massive issues to deal with, politicians can focus on victimless crimes between consenting adults to win political points, Detroit had bigger issues to deal with for a long time. When there are too many drugs and murders to stop, why focus on the victimless crimes?

    Furthermore, for those low-to-middle income folks, chances for dancers to make more money and to customers ease some of their pain with adult services wasn't something either were against, while there were still enough automotive bigwigs around to want services, too. So clubs did well, dancers saw it as a way to make money if they were willing to go the extra mile, there isn't the vice coverage or want to stop it, and the culture just kind of rose up from there.

    That's always been my impression. Others might see it differently.

  9. #17029
    Quote Originally Posted by BoldAss  [View Original Post]
    Was thinking about hitting FC or LS with the significant other, I am sure that there are dancers who would particiapte with both. Which club has the best VIP for a couple to play with a dancer, size, couch, etc?
    Both have a separate larger room available for couples, and I've been to both with my SO. I think the larger room at LS is quite a bit bigger with more space than FC. It's actually got a pretty big couch that 3 people can fit on comfortably in various positions.

  10. #17028
    Quote Originally Posted by MareloboMex  [View Original Post]
    While all of us find different things attractive in a girl, there is a pecking order in the club. The most desirable girls rarely go approaching guys, because they have many guys that want their time and attention. If they are smart they are also focused on taking care of their regulars as that maximizes their earnings. They only try to meet new guys when they are alone.
    Undoubtedly.

    That said, the ideal club has enough hot women that there's almost always a few free at any given time, even if a few end up being occupied by whales the whole night. There's also something to be said for going at less-busy times on weeknights, near the end of the night, and so on.

    My truly epic nights in Detroit have involved one of two things:

    1. Clubs with a wide selection of dancers.

    2. Hitting the club up at the right time.

    I once had three VIPs in a night at a single club, two of which had happy endings. There were more than enough dimes walking around to satisfy a packed building, even if a few were occupado.

    Another night, I ended up doing OTC with two spectacular blondes many of you probably remember. It was nearing the end of the night, they saw me standing alone near them and summoned me over. I remembered seeing one at the club before, which sparked conversation, and things went well from there.

    There's always exceptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by MareloboMex  [View Original Post]
    There is an unwritten rule that if a girl is sitting with a guy then other girls will not approach. So most girls understand guys come to the club to go to the VIP, and most guys have a limited amount of time.
    That's why it's important to be quick but polite about turning a girl away that doesn't capture your fancy. "I'm kinda waiting on someone, but thanks. ".

    Another thing, though, is to break part of that statement: "Most guys have a limited amount of time. " When I go, I see patience as a virtue. I've been known to spend four to six hours at a club. Take away that time limit and you can wait for what you want. I'm more than fine with that, particularly when I'm in Detroit where I know the reward could be outstanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by MareloboMex  [View Original Post]
    As for Detroit the best strategy is to be the Alpha, approach the girls you are interested in and tell them you want some company. The majority of the time they will join you. I have had girls who where friends with girls I did not like or they did not like me, come and sit with me, and turns out I had good chemistry with the friend and enjoyable VIPs. Most girls in the club are interested in making money not enforcing some odd system that they won't spend time with you because you don't like their friend. To avoid arguments, I will acknowledge that there can be individual exceptions.
    I guess that's where we split. I have read about being, and have been trying to become, "more Alpha," to use your wording: Workout more, have bigger posture, be more authoritative, all of that. But if I'm headed to a club where I'm paying for services, I don't want to use my brainpower on being something other than just being what I'm comfortable being, which is more passive and observant. I like being approached. I'm not afraid to turn someone down, but I'd rather have them come to me.

    I work on being more Alpha when I'm out trying to pick up civvy chicks. With dancers, I'm paying the cover and for services to have it my way. That doesn't mean I'm not a good customer. I dress nice, smell nice and tip well. And it's not like I'm looking to be the s in a D / s situation. But I just like the girls coming to me. If one particularly pops, I'll approach when I see she's free. But if she's got a whale spending all kinds of cash on her, hey, good for her; I'll wait until another one that flips my lid approaches.

  11. #17027

    Re: clarification of suburban v. City

    Quote Originally Posted by NoChoice  [View Original Post]
    It should be clarified to say the suburban Detroit clubs are better because the Detroit clubs have gone the way of the rest of the US! Extras shut down by Uncle!
    Absolutely. It's generally assumed here we refer to the suburban clubs outside the Detroit city limits.

  12. #17026

    Re: Why Detroit Metro Better than most

    Quote Originally Posted by WinterKnight  [View Original Post]
    Several members have posted that Detroit clubs are better than most other clubs in the US, in terms of availability and extras. Can anyone say why?
    This is just my humble opinion. In no certain order, Michigan and especially Wayne County is a very LIBERAL (across the board) area controlled by Democrats and as long as the clubs are generating high tax revenue for the smaller cities and no massive headline crimes are being repeated there is generally a liberal, libertarian hands off political ideology in some areas of Wayne county. Detroit is also very close to Canada where its pretty open and more liberal in certain areas. Detroit metro is also a very non-religious diverse region of the country where live and let live ring king in many areas. Add the fact that this is the headquarters for the Big 3 automakers with blue collar union jobs again (non-religious or live and let live people for the most part) Strip clubs and the fun are part of the culture in this area and have been for decades. Many dancers come from Toledo, Cleveland, Indiana etc. And this just adds to the towns economy and keeps sex work in a controlled safe environment which is the prevailing ideology. I don't mean to be mostly political, but you will rarely have the fun like here in CONSERVATIVE Republican cities and states. Texas is 1 exception but its just mostly the liberal cities ie. Houston, Dallas. Jerry Jones even likes to have a little fun. LOL I'm sure there are other "reasons", but that's my 2 cents. Happy hunting!

  13. #17025
    Quote Originally Posted by WinterKnight  [View Original Post]
    Several members have posted that Detroit clubs are better than most other clubs in the US, in terms of availability and extras. Can anyone say why?
    It should be clarified to say the suburban Detroit clubs are better because the Detroit clubs have gone the way of the rest of the US! Extras shut down by Uncle!

  14. #17024
    Quote Originally Posted by WinterKnight  [View Original Post]
    You may need to provide a few details on what you are looking for.
    A shorter girl with a nice ass that does BBBJ / CFS for a decent price. DM's welcome.

  15. #17023

    Why is the Detroit strip club scene better?

    Several members have posted that Detroit clubs are better than most other clubs in the US, in terms of availability and extras. Can anyone say why?

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