Agency Discussion and Reviews

**Xonms** · 12-02-23 15:05

Originally Posted by FoxIndc [View Original Post]

Just got some info from J-orgs today, booker gave me a new website, but also the booker told me that they want to stay silent and don't want to receive too much attention, so if you are an old customer of these J orgs, you can send me a PM and I will share the info with you.

I pm you I hope you received it.

**SadOne420** · 12-02-23 14:50

Anyone going to try the new girl coming in on Happytogether? I won't be off until a few more days so if anybody already had a taste I'd like to know how it was.

**FoxIndc** · 12-02-23 13:51

Originally Posted by Tomk2323 [View Original Post]

I tried to send PM but your inbox is full. I'm an old customer. Do you mind sending me the link? Thank you.

I have cleared my inbox, you can send me a PM.

**GhorMail** · 12-02-23 13:31

Originally Posted by FoxIndc [View Original Post]

Just got some info from J-orgs today, booker gave me a new website, but also the booker told me that they want to stay silent and don't want to receive too much attention, so if you are an old customer of these J orgs, you can send me a PM and I will share the info with you.

Echoing Tomk2323. Old customer of BO and messaged you.

**Tomk2323** · 12-02-23 12:42

Originally Posted by FoxIndc [View Original Post]

Just got some info from J-orgs today, booker gave me a new website, but also the booker told me that they want to stay silent and don't want to receive too much attention, so if you are an old customer of these J orgs, you can send me a PM and I will share the info with you.

I tried to send PM but your inbox is full. I'm an old customer. Do you mind sending me the link? Thank you.

**RJKing1221** · 12-02-23 11:26

Originally Posted by FoxIndc [View Original Post]

Just got some info from J-orgs today, booker gave me a new website, but also the booker told me that they want to stay silent and don't want to receive too much attention, so if you are an old customer of these J orgs, you can send me a PM and I will share the info with you.

Tried to PM you but it seems like ure inbox is full. So I guess I must be in the back of that line of people asking you for the link. Was familiar with blue ocean since the days of moon palace, and would love if you could DM me the link or something.

Thank you.

**FoxIndc** · 12-01-23 22:43

Originally Posted by LuckyLuciano00 [View Original Post]

Fuck, no wonder AP and BO closed down. I was wondering why they hadn't come back yet. Shit, they had some nice J and C girls too.

Just got some info from J-orgs today, booker gave me a new website, but also the booker told me that they want to stay silent and don't want to receive too much attention, so if you are an old customer of these J orgs, you can send me a PM and I will share the info with you.

**LuckyLuciano00** · 12-01-23 20:30

Originally Posted by Xonms [View Original Post]

They were I saw the address on the document.

Fuck, no wonder AP and BO closed down. I was wondering why they hadn't come back yet. Shit, they had some nice J and C girls too.

**JmSuttr** · 12-01-23 18:24

Originally Posted by Derilious89 [View Original Post]

It's always the same complaint about PII, but it's just not realistic to keep complaining about this. The only way to get rid of the requirement for PII is to legalize the industry. Nothing less will suffice because every agency has to protect itself, as well.

I agree that people need to be smart about what PII to give and where you can fake information, but telling people that we can change the industry (or even stop busts) by not giving PII is not realistic or helpful. The busts will happen regardless of PII given or not. This is not a question of thinking with the small head, rather it is about coming to terms with the risk you are willing to live with. If you don't have the skills to buy / photoshop a fake license, spoof an email, or create a fake Linkedin (or pay someone on Fiverr to these things), maybe consider spending some time to learn that first. If you're afraid of the police knocking on your door to out you, then just do what a million other horny guys do and hit up tinder or the bar to find some legal release.

Agencies didn't always require the level of PII that most now ask for. There are other options, such as references from established providers, or the use of vetting systems based in jurisdictions (like ch or nl domains) that place the info beyond the reach of US authorities. And I'm sure imaginative forum members could come up with even more creative ideas. Accepting the status quo, as though there's no alternative, is a rather limiting way of looking at the issue. I would argue that agencies do it simply because they can, because they have enough demand from clients who hope their PII will never be compromised.

With respect to your statement that legalization is the only solution, I would push back on three fronts: 1) Legalization ain't happening in the US anytime soon, if ever, so that's a pseudo-solution with no path to actualization. 2) The ubiquitous agency requirement for PII is a relatively new development (last 5-10 years?) and pre-PII agencies found ways to protect themselves and their providers. 3) There are plenty of independents who don't require PII, which demonstrates that the hobby can function perfectly well with anonymity for both sides.

You've obviously found a workaround that's effective for you, congrats! But, if you think about it, your solution arguably works because your fake info is mixed in with a lot of real PII. If all (or most) clients used fake info, at some point it's reasonable to assume that agencies would figure that out and adapt. So I would argue that such a tactic only works when it's used by a (small?) minority of the client population and isn't viable as a widespread solution.

As far as discussions about PII are concerned, I think they're quite helpful. Consider that this current one has presented forum members with plenty of food for thought. Some might follow your lead and create an effective mongering alter ego. Others might reconsider their hobby preferences and start seeking out independent providers. Also, on that last point, I would argue that your PII is more safe in the hands of an established and well-reviewed provider than it is with an agency. And that's simply because an agency is continually at risk of becoming a target of local or fed "anti-trafficking" efforts, while indies are less so.

I have no illusions about changing the industry. It took years for the PII issue to evolve into its current form, and only a demand-supply shift can move that needle. And I have no illusions about the effect of PII on agency busts. In fact, "This isn't the first bust of this kind, and it won't be the last" is a direct quote from my earlier post to which you responded. Agency busts happened in the pre-PII era, just as they happen now, so the PII factor is irrelevant (for agencies, but not affected clients). And I have no illusions about the prevalence of small-head thinking. Consider the fact that the current epidemic of "deposit scams" is almost certainly the result of enough small-head mongers who thought they could score a session with a Playboy-quality provider. Small-headism has always been the cause of most hobby-related negative outcomes, and that's unlikely to change.

The value of this forum, and discussions like these, is to raise points that others may not previously have considered. And the overarching value of forum discussions is to hopefully learn from the experiences of others, both good and bad. As always, it's incumbent on every monger to inform himself and decide for himself.

**NightHawk 1967** · 12-01-23 16:59

Originally Posted by Xonms [View Original Post]

They were I saw the address on the document.

Shit. There be busts and talks about busts on that block forever. I wonders if I be on some kind of FBI cam? I return to covid mask disguise now.

**ClassySemite** · 12-01-23 16:10

I do hope things cool down next year and NOVA becomes a hotbed for sexy ladies again.

**Xonms** · 12-01-23 12:21

Originally Posted by NightHawk1967 [View Original Post]

I be look for any new info about east Va busts. Lo behold, I sees a newscaster gal stand front of that place in Mossaic that APC work out that had fob elevator shit.

Was APC and BEG at same place?

They were I saw the address on the document.

**Derilious89** · 12-01-23 10:15

Originally Posted by JmSuttr [View Original Post]

The bigger question, for me, is to what extent mongers are going to resist agency demands for their PII. It's my guess that, unfortunately, too many will continue to think with the small head. Which means that it's only a matter of time before we see a similar situation unfold.

It's always the same complaint about PII, but it's just not realistic to keep complaining about this. The only way to get rid of the requirement for PII is to legalize the industry. Nothing less will suffice because every agency has to protect itself, as well.

I agree that people need to be smart about what PII to give and where you can fake information, but telling people that we can change the industry (or even stop busts) by not giving PII is not realistic or helpful. The busts will happen regardless of PII given or not. This is not a question of thinking with the small head, rather it is about coming to terms with the risk you are willing to live with. If you don't have the skills to buy / photoshop a fake license, spoof an email, or create a fake Linkedin (or pay someone on Fiverr to these things), maybe consider spending some time to learn that first. If you're afraid of the police knocking on your door to out you, then just do what a million other horny guys do and hit up tinder or the bar to find some legal release.

**NightHawk 1967** · 12-01-23 00:49

I be look for any new info about east Va busts. Lo behold, I sees a newscaster gal stand front of that place in Mossaic that APC work out that had fob elevator shit.

Was APC and BEG at same place?

**JmSuttr** · 11-30-23 15:18

Originally Posted by SaintPolycarp [View Original Post]

BTT bull shit will fail, indeed they are failing. What they did was nothing but a political circus show. Unless they close all the largest, most proficient and heavily trafficked websites as OnlyFan that peddle independents and "enterprise" based escorts and other adult entertainers equally, just like what Trump did in the early stage of his administration, it's just "fuck them!" A simple enlightening question would be, why only BTT? Why not Taiwanese or Columbian or Brazilian or Russian or the Appalachian Hillbilly or Black agencies?? Yet still, just fuck BTT, who cares?

IMHO, the three defendants in the VA-MA "trafficking" case are royally screwed, no ifs, ands, or buts. The amount of evidence unveiled to this point is overwhelming, and the feds almost certainly have more in reserve. In fact, I doubt it will come to trial because a competent defense lawyer will likely try to reach a plea deal. From that point of view LE will surely count this as a win.

But the world's oldest profession is nothing if not resilient. This isn't the first bust of this kind, and it won't be the last. Providers and mongers will adapt and move forward, as they always have. In that sense, LE has failed and will continue to fail because consensual adults are not going to stop participating in the hobby. For every agency, individual provider, or monger, who drops out of the game, others will take their place. Sex and money are powerful incentives and LE has never been able to do more than scratch the surface.

As for why this particular agency was targeted, who knows? Maybe some info fell into LE's lap and they just ran with it? But, just like getting a traffic ticket when there are others who were going as fast or faster than you, it doesn't work to say "What about the other guy?" as a protest.

The bigger question, for me, is to what extent mongers are going to resist agency demands for their PII. It's my guess that, unfortunately, too many will continue to think with the small head. Which means that it's only a matter of time before we see a similar situation unfold.