Agency Discussion and Reviews

**TommyDawson** · 11-14-23 23:34

From the affadavid:

"23 Precise location information for Virginia Brothel Phone 2 received beginning on or about October 27,2023 through the date of this Affidavit placed it generally in a location other than Massachusetts. The location and holder of that device remains under investigation. While indeed Virginia Brothel Phone 2 is listed on Brown Eye Girl website, agents who interviewed customers who received prostitution services from the Virginia brothel locations learned that those customers communicated with Virginia Brothel Phone 1. ".

Sounds like the 2277 phone number was with someone other than the three people that got arrested. Possible the feds only got the 8262 phone.

**TommyDawson** · 11-14-23 22:39

Originally Posted by JmSuttr [View Original Post]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2422

One thing to watch for is whether the defendants are permitted to proceed separately. Their lawyers will certainly request that and the feds will argue against it. If they're allowed to separate their cases from each other, things will get more complicated and take longer. I don't expect any charges against providers so, if they're involved at all, it'll probably be as witnesses. If that happens, the feds will carefully pick a woman who has a "coerced victim" story to tell. But I'm just thinking out loud because, as I said earlier, I doubt this will go to trial.

This is interesting.

I wonder what mongers who went to BEG should be rooting for.

A quick plea deal would draw less media attention.

But if this draws out, and states don't want to proceed until it ends, the statute of limitations would start to kick in for more people as the days go by.

**SonChi** · 11-14-23 20:19

Originally Posted by SaintPolycarp [View Original Post]

We all know that none of the girls at BTT were trafficked! They all were as independent as the girls on Eros.com or Tryst, and all the so-called "indie" girls on those escort platforms have very organized pimps and / or security guards. Unfortunately, Feds' recent circus show ended short, too short! Federal judges hate prostitution cases, and now USA must be responsible for the victimless victims.

Tax evasion, money laundering, and profiting from prostitution. I speak to some of those providers semi-regularly even when they are not here, they are 100% independent. The real crime was them making money. All of this needs to be legalized and properly taxed.

**JmSuttr** · 11-14-23 20:06

Originally Posted by SaintPolycarp [View Original Post]

We all know that none of the girls at BTT were trafficked! They all were as independent as the girls on Eros.com or Tryst. Link and all those girls on those escort platforms have pimps. Unfortunately, Feds circus show ended short. Federal judges hate prostitution case, and now USA is responsible to protect and care for the victimless victims. HSI and MA government must protect and care those girls they arrested. If those namely victims reappear in this field as sex workers, USA is responsible for allowing the namely victims into the sexual exploitation by the US citizens!

What you, or I, or any monger on USASG thinks is irrelevant. The feds have the defendants by the short hairs, pure and simple.

**JmSuttr** · 11-14-23 19:53

Originally Posted by SaintPolycarp [View Original Post]

We all know that none of the girls at BTT were trafficked! They all were as independent as the girls on Eros.com or Tryst, and all the so-called "indie" girls on those escort platforms have very organized pimps and / or security guards.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2422

It doesn't matter what you or I think. It only matters what the feds can prove in court. The relevant statute reads, in part, as follows:

(a) Whoever knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United States, to engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

There are additional statutes in play (18 USC 1343/1952/1956/2421, etc.) but for the sake of brevity I chose just one. If you use the link above and plug in the different statute numbers you'll see more info. I've skimmed through the search warrant affidavit and, considering that it likely contains only a portion of the evidence gathered by the feds, it looks like a slam dunk case, IMO. As far as judges are concerned, I'll be highly surprised if this ever goes to trial. In the face of such strong evidence any competent attorney will try to negotiate a plea deal. If there's no trial, a judge's role will be limited to ruling on pre-trial matters like discovery, etc.

One thing to watch for is whether the defendants are permitted to proceed separately. Their lawyers will certainly request that and the feds will argue against it. If they're allowed to separate their cases from each other, things will get more complicated and take longer. I don't expect any charges against providers so, if they're involved at all, it'll probably be as witnesses. If that happens, the feds will carefully pick a woman who has a "coerced victim" story to tell. But I'm just thinking out loud because, as I said earlier, I doubt this will go to trial.

P.S. The individual providers will probably be referred to Victim / Witness Services. Some may be sent back to their home country while others might be allowed to stay. If any go back to being sex workers, the govt will simply say that they were offered legit alternatives. I highly doubt there will be any negative blowback on the feds. And, even if there is, they won't care.

**JackRyan1** · 11-14-23 19:26

Originally Posted by Max#01 [View Original Post]

It typically takes a few days for the reviews to get written & submitted and a few days for them to be reviewed and posted.

I assumed that also.

". man up and vanished like a fart in the wind".

**JavBB** · 11-14-23 17:48

Originally Posted by Derilious89 [View Original Post]

It's not about being related or busted, but about being safe. After a major, national-news bust, most places are going to keep their head down in case local cops decide to look for their own glory and get a bust as well. Additionally, I imagine that a ton of mongers starting calling in sick and cancelling appointments so there may be less cash to go around. Finally, some of the girls who were planning to come in might also decide to skip Boston and DC for awhile, or just take a short vacation as a whole until the heat dies down.

This. Def I think so too.

**Max #01** · 11-14-23 17:17

Originally Posted by JackRyan1 [View Original Post]

There are new reviews on the other site. How?

Are they open in va?

It typically takes a few days for the reviews to get written & submitted and a few days for them to be reviewed and posted.

**DCHung** · 11-14-23 16:10

Originally Posted by JackRyan1 [View Original Post]

There are new reviews on the other site. How?

Are they open in va?

All of those reviews could have been before the shutdown or fake reviews.

**JackRyan1** · 11-14-23 15:17

There are new reviews on the other site. How?

Are they open in va?

**Derilious89** · 11-14-23 14:54

Originally Posted by Tophat31 [View Original Post]

Website is down. Didn't think they were related to what I saw on the news.

It's not about being related or busted, but about being safe. After a major, national-news bust, most places are going to keep their head down in case local cops decide to look for their own glory and get a bust as well. Additionally, I imagine that a ton of mongers starting calling in sick and cancelling appointments so there may be less cash to go around. Finally, some of the girls who were planning to come in might also decide to skip Boston and DC for awhile, or just take a short vacation as a whole until the heat dies down.

**SaintPolycarp** · 11-14-23 14:45

We all know that none of the girls at BTT were trafficked! They all were as independent as the girls on Eros.com or Tryst, and all the so-called "indie" girls on those escort platforms have very organized pimps and / or security guards. Unfortunately, Feds' recent circus show ended short, too short! Federal judges hate prostitution cases, and now USA must be responsible for the victimless victims. If those arrested in MA reappear in this field as sex workers, USA will be blamed for its bullshit bigotry for letting these namely victims into the sexual exploitation by the US citizens!

**Xonms** · 11-14-23 13:07

Originally Posted by Tophat31 [View Original Post]

Website is down. Didn't think they were related to what I saw on the news.

Yes they must have heard the news decided to pause their operation who know when they will back.

**JmSuttr** · 11-14-23 12:12

Originally Posted by RJKing1221 [View Original Post]

I know everyone is talking about the busts.

My usual are shutdown llva, sa, apc, bo.

Where is one supposed to go in the interim?

It takes a bit of homework, but there are plenty out there who don't require PII. Use the various forums to research well-reviewed providers and ask questions, if needed. I know this is an agency-focused forum but, considering current circumstances, safety is an understandable concern. The agencies you cited are certainly concerned about their own safety, which is why they've hit the pause button.