Massage Parlor Reports

[Spectator]

They had shit on you.

What they had was a cell phone video of me parking my car, walking in the front door, and an hour later or so walking out.

It was explained to be that the summons was nothing but a way to put my name in the local newspaper in an article about the place.

I do not want to be more specific online, or keep the banter going, but this seems relevant in the context of our discussion.

Anyway, it is critical to have in your mind that while you may be visiting a parlor for a back rub, some local PD may think you are in there getting a happy ending and you should be prepared to deal with that if you are approached.

Good times.

[HappyDave]

Cops are pieces of shit.

There good ones and bad ones, I have known a lot of great ones. I even know ones that have gone to spa's. Mo different than any other job.

[LustyB]

I've been stalked by a local cop. One of my sons, less severe, but same thing.

Rub one of them the wrong way on the wrong day, and they can for sure make life miserable for you. Can you call the local chief and file a complaint, yes, but who wants to risk further wrath?

Z.

Cops are pieces of shit.

[LustyB]

"the process is the punishment".

The courts allow the police to do this on purpose.

The summons makes its way to court. You go for arraingnment, if you don't hire a lawyer, they beat you down to accepting a "continued without a finding" or you hire a lawyer and the lawyer says "lets go to trial". The lawyer filed for discovery, and did not get it, so he asked for a dismissal. However, that, as you suggested he do, is not instant. First there is a pre-trial conference, where the lawyer asks for discovery. Thats 3 months in. Then, there is the waiting period for discovery, which is another 3 months. Then another month before the lawyer sets a trial date and shows up where the the says "ohh yeah, we'll get that to ya" and then doesn't. Then the second trial date actually occurs and the judge dismisses the case because the discovery wasnt answered, because there was no actual evidence.

It was 7 months from the time the summons arrived in the mail until the judge threw the case out.

My lawyer says that this was the minimum amount of time and the best possible outcome. Worst case would have been they had some evidence, and I had to go to trial.

No matter how little evidence the police have thay can always charge you by summons, but not arrest you. The summons goes through the machinery slowly, and then your case gets dismissed. Its 10 grand for an attorney.

My only regret is not calling an attorney to the police station for the original questioning. I did not hire one until I got the summons. If you go to the station, call a lawyer right away. Its like 3 grand for a private lawyer to show up at a local police station, and you gotta know a good one ahead of time. They might offer you a free one if you qualify. I politely told them the truth "I had a sore back and went to a legit business for a back rub". I did not otherwise discuss the particulars or answer any other questions other than the where do you live, who do you work for, do you take any prescription medications .

The attorney I hired is a notable local attorney who was an ADA in that particular county for many years, and has tried a lot of these cases, he pretty much told me that the police "john shame" in this manner.

Yes, your mistake was not getting a lawyer when they hauled you in. They had shit on you. You came out of a business. If you have a lawyer at questioning, they can talk to the DA and its over. And its not cops fucking with you after you leave the station, it’s the DA. But you know that. Id have filed a civil rights lawsuit.

What fucking town was this in?

Oh well, lets get back to talking about shitty rubs and Saran Wrap blow jobs.
3 things everyone needs. A doctor, financial advisor, and a lawyer.

[Zimmm33]

I've been stalked by a local cop. One of my sons, less severe, but same thing.

Rub one of them the wrong way on the wrong day, and they can for sure make life miserable for you. Can you call the local chief and file a complaint, yes, but who wants to risk further wrath?

Z.

LOL. That would never happen. You give these donut operators too much credit. Like a cop from some town an AMP is in is going to go out of their jurisdiction just to fuck with you. Sone if you guys are too paranoid to be a mongor. Be cautious sure but don't go over board with worry.

[SalamanderFour]

"the process is the punishment".

The courts allow the police to do this on purpose.

The summons makes its way to court. You go for arraingnment, if you don't hire a lawyer, they beat you down to accepting a "continued without a finding" or you hire a lawyer and the lawyer says "lets go to trial". The lawyer filed for discovery, and did not get it, so he asked for a dismissal. However, that, as you suggested he do, is not instant. First there is a pre-trial conference, where the lawyer asks for discovery. Thats 3 months in. Then, there is the waiting period for discovery, which is another 3 months. Then another month before the lawyer sets a trial date and shows up where the the says "ohh yeah, we'll get that to ya" and then doesn't. Then the second trial date actually occurs and the judge dismisses the case because the discovery wasnt answered, because there was no actual evidence.

It was 7 months from the time the summons arrived in the mail until the judge threw the case out.

My lawyer says that this was the minimum amount of time and the best possible outcome. Worst case would have been they had some evidence, and I had to go to trial.

No matter how little evidence the police have thay can always charge you by summons, but not arrest you. The summons goes through the machinery slowly, and then your case gets dismissed. Its 10 grand for an attorney.

My only regret is not calling an attorney to the police station for the original questioning. I did not hire one until I got the summons. If you go to the station, call a lawyer right away. Its like 3 grand for a private lawyer to show up at a local police station, and you gotta know a good one ahead of time. They might offer you a free one if you qualify. I politely told them the truth "I had a sore back and went to a legit business for a back rub". I did not otherwise discuss the particulars or answer any other questions other than the where do you live, who do you work for, do you take any prescription medications .

The attorney I hired is a notable local attorney who was an ADA in that particular county for many years, and has tried a lot of these cases, he pretty much told me that the police "john shame" in this manner.

Spectator,

I have some experience in this area, and you are accurate.

[Spectator]

Sorry that happened. But you had a shitty lawyer. That should have been dismissed before it ever started.

"the process is the punishment".

The courts allow the police to do this on purpose.

The summons makes its way to court. You go for arraingnment, if you don't hire a lawyer, they beat you down to accepting a "continued without a finding" or you hire a lawyer and the lawyer says "lets go to trial". The lawyer filed for discovery, and did not get it, so he asked for a dismissal. However, that, as you suggested he do, is not instant. First there is a pre-trial conference, where the lawyer asks for discovery. Thats 3 months in. Then, there is the waiting period for discovery, which is another 3 months. Then another month before the lawyer sets a trial date and shows up where the the says "ohh yeah, we'll get that to ya" and then doesn't. Then the second trial date actually occurs and the judge dismisses the case because the discovery wasnt answered, because there was no actual evidence.

It was 7 months from the time the summons arrived in the mail until the judge threw the case out.

My lawyer says that this was the minimum amount of time and the best possible outcome. Worst case would have been they had some evidence, and I had to go to trial.

No matter how little evidence the police have thay can always charge you by summons, but not arrest you. The summons goes through the machinery slowly, and then your case gets dismissed. Its 10 grand for an attorney.

My only regret is not calling an attorney to the police station for the original questioning. I did not hire one until I got the summons. If you go to the station, call a lawyer right away. Its like 3 grand for a private lawyer to show up at a local police station, and you gotta know a good one ahead of time. They might offer you a free one if you qualify. I politely told them the truth "I had a sore back and went to a legit business for a back rub". I did not otherwise discuss the particulars or answer any other questions other than the where do you live, who do you work for, do you take any prescription medications .

The attorney I hired is a notable local attorney who was an ADA in that particular county for many years, and has tried a lot of these cases, he pretty much told me that the police "john shame" in this manner.

[LustyB]

The key for me was I did not give them anything. I was summonsed, I hired the lawyer, the lawyer told be straight out that the only thing to say is "I got a back rub". In the end it took almost a year to sort itself out in court. The ADA provided no discovery to my lawyer because there was no evidence, and even though I went to the station and sat in the little room for their questions under miranda, I had simply told them I was the customer of a legit business and Id didn't do anything illegal, and didnt see any sign of any illegal activity. The yelled at me and all that. I got let go after an hour or so and the summons came in the mail 6 weeks later. When they called my name in district court, and my lawyer stood up, the judge said "dismissed for lack of prosecution".

YMMV, hope nobody else has the pleasure.

Sorry that happened. But you had a shitty lawyer. That should have been dismissed before it ever started.

[Spectator]

Be cautious sure but don't go over board with worry.

The key for me was I did not give them anything. I was summonsed, I hired the lawyer, the lawyer told be straight out that the only thing to say is "I got a back rub". In the end it took almost a year to sort itself out in court. The ADA provided no discovery to my lawyer because there was no evidence, and even though I went to the station and sat in the little room for their questions under miranda, I had simply told them I was the customer of a legit business and Id didn't do anything illegal, and didnt see any sign of any illegal activity. The yelled at me and all that. I got let go after an hour or so and the summons came in the mail 6 weeks later. When they called my name in district court, and my lawyer stood up, the judge said "dismissed for lack of prosecution".

YMMV, hope nobody else has the pleasure.

[LustyB]

Until they show up in a marked cruiser when your wife is home to "just ask one more question".

LOL. That would never happen. You give these donut operators too much credit. Like a cop from some town an AMP is in is going to go out of their jurisdiction just to fuck with you. Sone if you guys are too paranoid to be a mongor. Be cautious sure but don't go over board with worry.

[Top Floor]

That's not the greatest advice. Say nothing. All this " I just got a back rub" etc etc will just lead to more questions. Cops know how to interrogate people and lead you down a path you don't want to go.

If you're on foot in Massachusetts, you don't have to give them an I'd unless you're lawfully arrested. No matter how much they badger you, threaten you etc, you are not legally required to I'd unless you are lawfully arrested for a crime. They start asking you questions? "I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?" Keep repeating that all day.

If you're pulled over, you are required to I'd and show proof of insurance. But again, the answer to any question is " I don't answer questions". And no they will not take you to jail for refusal to I'd if your on foot.

They might also try the old "you are obstructing an investigation". You are under no obligation to help the police with ANY investigation. Obstruction is a secondary charge to a crime. You don't commit obstruction by remaining silent nor refusing to I'd if you're on foot. They may try and intimidate you by telling you they will arrest you on obstruction, but they won't. They know better. If you get a piece of shit donut operator that jerks hassling you, tell them you want a supervisor. They'll get one out there. A 3 stripe should know the law even if the dumbass who stopped you doesn't.

One last time. Tell them nothing of a back rub, etc. Repeat after me. " I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?

Until they show up in a marked cruiser when your wife is home to "just ask one more question".

[LustyB]

"I got a massage, I have a sore back" is not a lie.

"did you <insert illegal act here> " . No officer, I did not do anything illegal. Am I free to go?

It is important to be prepared mentally in case these situations arise (as they did for me very recently). It is frightening in the moment and easy to start blabbing nervously.

If the police are asking you questions that seem to be trying to confirm something they don't know, don't give them anything, and don't be a jerk. Just be polite, say the truth that you got a backrub, and don't admit anything.

If they ask you to come down to the station there is only one answer "I will not answer questions without a lawyer" , this will cost you real money, but it will help you obtain, as my attorney said "The best possible outcome".

It is sad that the US has not decriminialized backrubs.

That's not the greatest advice. Say nothing. All this " I just got a back rub" etc etc will just lead to more questions. Cops know how to interrogate people and lead you down a path you don't want to go.

If you're on foot in Massachusetts, you don't have to give them an I'd unless you're lawfully arrested. No matter how much they badger you, threaten you etc, you are not legally required to I'd unless you are lawfully arrested for a crime. They start asking you questions? "I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?" Keep repeating that all day.

If you're pulled over, you are required to I'd and show proof of insurance. But again, the answer to any question is " I don't answer questions". And no they will not take you to jail for refusal to I'd if your on foot.

They might also try the old "you are obstructing an investigation". You are under no obligation to help the police with ANY investigation. Obstruction is a secondary charge to a crime. You don't commit obstruction by remaining silent nor refusing to I'd if you're on foot. They may try and intimidate you by telling you they will arrest you on obstruction, but they won't. They know better. If you get a piece of shit donut operator that jerks hassling you, tell them you want a supervisor. They'll get one out there. A 3 stripe should know the law even if the dumbass who stopped you doesn't.

One last time. Tell them nothing of a back rub, etc. Repeat after me. " I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?

[Jimmy Weed]

How much longer are we as members going to continue to spam every thread with BTT BS? There is a BTT thread isn't their?

[Spectator]

Any "generic " legal advice doesn't go that far. Say nothing except I respectfully decline to talk to you as is my right. Am I being detained or am I free to go. That's it. In some states they may be able to ask for I'd if your on foot. In every state if your operating a motor vehicle. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and if your not detained move on.

The hard part is saying any of this without sounding like a jerk, which might cause them to do stupid stuff like detain you for 24 hours (knowing you'll be released without charges), or charging you with a summons even tho they don't have a case, but then you got to get a lawyer and go to court (happened to me). The hard part of all this is saying nothing and not making them want to stick it to you. The legal process, even if they know at stage 1 they have no case, is expensive and is punishment in and of itself, which is why being nice is as important as not saying anything. The DA knows they sent him the case just to make you hire a lawyer, and will simply let you pay your attorney to prepare for trial, and then not show up. Costs you 10 grand

[Spectator]

Don't lie to the police. It's illegal to lie to the FBI, and a bad idea to lie to regular cops. If you lie, then are caught out on it, you can't walk back a lie later and be expected to be believed. You've lied once, who's to say you're not lying again? Best course of action (after asking "Am I free to go? Is to not answer questions, but say something like "I decline to answer any questions without my lawyer present". Also, for the 5th amendment to apply, you must explicitly invoke it; simply remaining silent does not invoke the protections it offers.

"I got a massage, I have a sore back" is not a lie.

"did you <insert illegal act here> " . No officer, I did not do anything illegal. Am I free to go?

It is important to be prepared mentally in case these situations arise (as they did for me very recently). It is frightening in the moment and easy to start blabbing nervously.

If the police are asking you questions that seem to be trying to confirm something they don't know, don't give them anything, and don't be a jerk. Just be polite, say the truth that you got a backrub, and don't admit anything.

If they ask you to come down to the station there is only one answer "I will not answer questions without a lawyer" , this will cost you real money, but it will help you obtain, as my attorney said "The best possible outcome".

It is sad that the US has not decriminialized backrubs.