Massage Parlor Reports

[LustyB]

The key for me was I did not give them anything. I was summonsed, I hired the lawyer, the lawyer told be straight out that the only thing to say is "I got a back rub". In the end it took almost a year to sort itself out in court. The ADA provided no discovery to my lawyer because there was no evidence, and even though I went to the station and sat in the little room for their questions under miranda, I had simply told them I was the customer of a legit business and Id didn't do anything illegal, and didnt see any sign of any illegal activity. The yelled at me and all that. I got let go after an hour or so and the summons came in the mail 6 weeks later. When they called my name in district court, and my lawyer stood up, the judge said "dismissed for lack of prosecution".

YMMV, hope nobody else has the pleasure.

Sorry that happened. But you had a shitty lawyer. That should have been dismissed before it ever started.

[Spectator]

Be cautious sure but don't go over board with worry.

The key for me was I did not give them anything. I was summonsed, I hired the lawyer, the lawyer told be straight out that the only thing to say is "I got a back rub". In the end it took almost a year to sort itself out in court. The ADA provided no discovery to my lawyer because there was no evidence, and even though I went to the station and sat in the little room for their questions under miranda, I had simply told them I was the customer of a legit business and Id didn't do anything illegal, and didnt see any sign of any illegal activity. The yelled at me and all that. I got let go after an hour or so and the summons came in the mail 6 weeks later. When they called my name in district court, and my lawyer stood up, the judge said "dismissed for lack of prosecution".

YMMV, hope nobody else has the pleasure.

[LustyB]

Until they show up in a marked cruiser when your wife is home to "just ask one more question".

LOL. That would never happen. You give these donut operators too much credit. Like a cop from some town an AMP is in is going to go out of their jurisdiction just to fuck with you. Sone if you guys are too paranoid to be a mongor. Be cautious sure but don't go over board with worry.

[Top Floor]

That's not the greatest advice. Say nothing. All this " I just got a back rub" etc etc will just lead to more questions. Cops know how to interrogate people and lead you down a path you don't want to go.

If you're on foot in Massachusetts, you don't have to give them an I'd unless you're lawfully arrested. No matter how much they badger you, threaten you etc, you are not legally required to I'd unless you are lawfully arrested for a crime. They start asking you questions? "I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?" Keep repeating that all day.

If you're pulled over, you are required to I'd and show proof of insurance. But again, the answer to any question is " I don't answer questions". And no they will not take you to jail for refusal to I'd if your on foot.

They might also try the old "you are obstructing an investigation". You are under no obligation to help the police with ANY investigation. Obstruction is a secondary charge to a crime. You don't commit obstruction by remaining silent nor refusing to I'd if you're on foot. They may try and intimidate you by telling you they will arrest you on obstruction, but they won't. They know better. If you get a piece of shit donut operator that jerks hassling you, tell them you want a supervisor. They'll get one out there. A 3 stripe should know the law even if the dumbass who stopped you doesn't.

One last time. Tell them nothing of a back rub, etc. Repeat after me. " I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?

Until they show up in a marked cruiser when your wife is home to "just ask one more question".

[LustyB]

"I got a massage, I have a sore back" is not a lie.

"did you <insert illegal act here> " . No officer, I did not do anything illegal. Am I free to go?

It is important to be prepared mentally in case these situations arise (as they did for me very recently). It is frightening in the moment and easy to start blabbing nervously.

If the police are asking you questions that seem to be trying to confirm something they don't know, don't give them anything, and don't be a jerk. Just be polite, say the truth that you got a backrub, and don't admit anything.

If they ask you to come down to the station there is only one answer "I will not answer questions without a lawyer" , this will cost you real money, but it will help you obtain, as my attorney said "The best possible outcome".

It is sad that the US has not decriminialized backrubs.

That's not the greatest advice. Say nothing. All this " I just got a back rub" etc etc will just lead to more questions. Cops know how to interrogate people and lead you down a path you don't want to go.

If you're on foot in Massachusetts, you don't have to give them an I'd unless you're lawfully arrested. No matter how much they badger you, threaten you etc, you are not legally required to I'd unless you are lawfully arrested for a crime. They start asking you questions? "I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?" Keep repeating that all day.

If you're pulled over, you are required to I'd and show proof of insurance. But again, the answer to any question is " I don't answer questions". And no they will not take you to jail for refusal to I'd if your on foot.

They might also try the old "you are obstructing an investigation". You are under no obligation to help the police with ANY investigation. Obstruction is a secondary charge to a crime. You don't commit obstruction by remaining silent nor refusing to I'd if you're on foot. They may try and intimidate you by telling you they will arrest you on obstruction, but they won't. They know better. If you get a piece of shit donut operator that jerks hassling you, tell them you want a supervisor. They'll get one out there. A 3 stripe should know the law even if the dumbass who stopped you doesn't.

One last time. Tell them nothing of a back rub, etc. Repeat after me. " I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?

[Jimmy Weed]

How much longer are we as members going to continue to spam every thread with BTT BS? There is a BTT thread isn't their?

[Spectator]

Any "generic " legal advice doesn't go that far. Say nothing except I respectfully decline to talk to you as is my right. Am I being detained or am I free to go. That's it. In some states they may be able to ask for I'd if your on foot. In every state if your operating a motor vehicle. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and if your not detained move on.

The hard part is saying any of this without sounding like a jerk, which might cause them to do stupid stuff like detain you for 24 hours (knowing you'll be released without charges), or charging you with a summons even tho they don't have a case, but then you got to get a lawyer and go to court (happened to me). The hard part of all this is saying nothing and not making them want to stick it to you. The legal process, even if they know at stage 1 they have no case, is expensive and is punishment in and of itself, which is why being nice is as important as not saying anything. The DA knows they sent him the case just to make you hire a lawyer, and will simply let you pay your attorney to prepare for trial, and then not show up. Costs you 10 grand

[Spectator]

Don't lie to the police. It's illegal to lie to the FBI, and a bad idea to lie to regular cops. If you lie, then are caught out on it, you can't walk back a lie later and be expected to be believed. You've lied once, who's to say you're not lying again? Best course of action (after asking "Am I free to go? Is to not answer questions, but say something like "I decline to answer any questions without my lawyer present". Also, for the 5th amendment to apply, you must explicitly invoke it; simply remaining silent does not invoke the protections it offers.

"I got a massage, I have a sore back" is not a lie.

"did you <insert illegal act here> " . No officer, I did not do anything illegal. Am I free to go?

It is important to be prepared mentally in case these situations arise (as they did for me very recently). It is frightening in the moment and easy to start blabbing nervously.

If the police are asking you questions that seem to be trying to confirm something they don't know, don't give them anything, and don't be a jerk. Just be polite, say the truth that you got a backrub, and don't admit anything.

If they ask you to come down to the station there is only one answer "I will not answer questions without a lawyer" , this will cost you real money, but it will help you obtain, as my attorney said "The best possible outcome".

It is sad that the US has not decriminialized backrubs.

[KatSuno1492]

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2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".

YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".

LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".

YOU:"no".
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Don't lie to the police. It's illegal to lie to the FBI, and a bad idea to lie to regular cops. If you lie, then are caught out on it, you can't walk back a lie later and be expected to be believed. You've lied once, who's to say you're not lying again? Best course of action (after asking "Am I free to go? Is to not answer questions, but say something like "I decline to answer any questions without my lawyer present". Also, for the 5th amendment to apply, you must explicitly invoke it; simply remaining silent does not invoke the protections it offers.

[Delanojjjj]

I'm going to be in and around the Cambridge area with some time to kill. Was thinking about stopping in at foot heaven. Us. Does anyone have any encouraging information that would help me want to stop by there?

If not I'll probably just go ahead and take a hit and see what happens.

If I go I'll report back soon.

[PaulRew]

I have a hard time feeling bad for the uber-rich mongers that clearly felt like they're untouchable. They gave personal info and paid monthly fees to stay with the agency. Shame on them and let's keep the prices from more inflation for us little guys!

Actually I need to avoid a flag on this one so see you on the Massholes thread.

[FrogPilot]

I got stopped last year in Middleton when they were in the middle of cracking down on basically all of the AMP there. When the cop came to my window, he said he was pulling me over because I had a line violation at the intersection. (BS tactic.) But after he got my license and registration, the conversation quickly turned to him seeing me pull out of one of the AMPs. As suggested, I was friendly and just kept on repeating I was there for a legitimate massage and had been doing so for years. He assured me that there was lots of illegal activity going on there, but I assured him right back that I had never seen any evidence of that. Still, I told him since he was positive of that I was not going to be going back there again. Finally, after asking the same questions over and over, and knowing he wasn't going to get anything out of me, he let me go with a verbal warning. That was the last time I stepped foot in middleton. Getting stopped like that was something I had dreaded happening for 10 years. However, I was proud of myself with how relaxed I remained and sticking to not knowing anything. Z

Good job Z, many of these cases I read about are built at least in part on mongers ratting on themselves and the spa, just want to add a reminder that cops will lie too and imply shit like if you tell them what they want to know they'll make sure your name is left out of it, as others have said, say nothing, you can only make it worse, not better, there is nothing illegal about visiting a business, leave it that.

[Zimmm33]

I got stopped last year in Middleton when they were in the middle of cracking down on basically all of the AMP there. When the cop came to my window, he said he was pulling me over because I had a line violation at the intersection. (BS tactic.) But after he got my license and registration, the conversation quickly turned to him seeing me pull out of one of the AMPs. As suggested, I was friendly and just kept on repeating I was there for a legitimate massage and had been doing so for years. He assured me that there was lots of illegal activity going on there, but I assured him right back that I had never seen any evidence of that. Still, I told him since he was positive of that I was not going to be going back there again. Finally, after asking the same questions over and over, and knowing he wasn't going to get anything out of me, he let me go with a verbal warning. That was the last time I stepped foot in middleton. Getting stopped like that was something I had dreaded happening for 10 years. However, I was proud of myself with how relaxed I remained and sticking to not knowing anything. Z

1. Be friendly, tell them you are running late for your next appointment or whatever. Ask if you are free to go.

2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".

YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".

LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".

YOU:"no".

LEO: "make this easier on yourself and your wife".

YOU: "Nothing to hide, got a massage, my back hurts".

LEO "We have you on video".

YOU "Call my lawyer, I'd like him to look at this alleged video".

Dont freak out, Be polite, admit nothing, don't tell long stories or tell tales. They will make all kinds of threats. At this point your wife is already likely to find out that you got a massage because your back hurts.. Telling them anything only makes it harder for your lawyer.

As nervous as you may be during the process, remember they have what they have on you, and you don't know what that is, so your only job right there in that uncomfortable moment is not to give them anything they can use against you. Be honest and tell them you got a nice back rub leave as quickly as possible no matter what they say or how awful you feel in the moment.

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[Sounds]

1. Be friendly, tell them you are running late for your next appointment or whatever. Ask if you are free to go.

2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".

YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".

LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".

YOU:"no".

LEO: "make this easier on yourself and your wife".

YOU: "Nothing to hide, got a massage, my back hurts".

LEO "We have you on video".

YOU "Call my lawyer, I'd like him to look at this alleged video".

Dont freak out, Be polite, admit nothing, don't tell long stories or tell tales. They will make all kinds of threats. At this point your wife is already likely to find out that you got a massage because your back hurts.. Telling them anything only makes it harder for your lawyer.

As nervous as you may be during the process, remember they have what they have on you, and you don't know what that is, so your only job right there in that uncomfortable moment is not to give them anything they can use against you. Be honest and tell them you got a nice back rub leave as quickly as possible no matter what they say or how awful you feel in the moment.

Don't even engage in any type of conversation. Just say you are not discussing anything. Ask if you are free to go and if not, ask for a lawyer.

[HappyDave]

1. Be friendly, tell them you are running late for your next appointment or whatever. Ask if you are free to go.

2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".

YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".

LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".

YOU:"no".

LEO: "make this easier on yourself and your wife".

YOU: "Nothing to hide, got a massage, my back hurts".

LEO "We have you on video".

YOU "Call my lawyer, I'd like him to look at this alleged video".

Dont freak out, Be polite, admit nothing, don't tell long stories or tell tales. They will make all kinds of threats. At this point your wife is already likely to find out that you got a massage because your back hurts.. Telling them anything only makes it harder for your lawyer..

Any "generic " legal advice doesn't go that far. Say nothing except I respectfully decline to talk to you as is my right. Am I being detained or am I free to go. That's it. In some states they may be able to ask for I'd if your on foot. In every state if your operating a motor vehicle. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and if your not detained move on.