Korean Agency BB

[Member #6646]

I'd like to add a few observations. With newer girls, there's the issue of communication where the booker can make a mistake with information. The booker could say she's 5'5" but she's 5'1" - I've seen mistakes both directions so it's not like this is always on purpose any more than when you get the wrong order at a drive thru. Also, the girl might change her policy on what she does, or provide different service depending on the customer, especially if she doesn't feel comfortable. Specifically, I have gotten different levels of service from the same girl on different visits. The booker has no control over that, obviously.

One time a guy complained a girl didn't even give a proper BJ, and I had the same experience when I first visited that girl. She was clearly new. But my second and third visit, she did. What's the booker supposed to say, they wouldn't know and don't want to know that level of detail (this example was not a k-org so the booker really doesn't care). There is no one correct answer for what a girl will do, especially for newer girls and a girl who didn't feel warmed up to a customer. The second time I saw her she was much happier since she knew me, and that obviously factored into it. With other girls, they don't remember me the second time and they just seem "tired" the second time and I don't get as good service. So there's an example where we ruled out every single possibility (same girl, same customer, same booker, etc.) and the service is still different.

Between 40 and 60 min options it's personal preference. I'm always done in 40 but if I want a longer massage or to go again 60 helps. For the business they want to attract customers of both preferences, and the choice is important. Same reason why they offer doubles, overnights, etc. Most people would never do it, but for someone who specifically wants doubles now the booker has their business instead of someone else. This is product sales 101 - on the supermarket shelves you see 8 flavors for a product even though only 1 product is popular. This is deliberate. They can now take up more shelf space for your eyes, and more importantly they can capture the customers who don't like their most popular product, rather than cede the market to other products. Same reason an ice cream store stocks 30 flavors even though people mostly buy just 5.

That makes sense. I was thinking you could also ask who is GFE vs PSE but I have read some girls rim and provide CFS and some don't rim but provide BBFS, so your comments on provider dependence makes total sense I think I just have to research which providers are suitable for my specific interests and take it from there. I just wasn't sure if we can ask bookers this level of detail.

I think there's a difference from innocently mistaking metrics from knowingly posting pictures from way left field so to speak. Sure it's marketing 101 but it's also essentially false advertisement. I'm not talking about looking off a bit, I'm sure they protect their identity, but the review I just read about KellyK sounds like a ton of tattoos LOL. Why not just post pics of a girl with tattoos? Some clients might be into that? But maybe they don't care and I'm looking too into it but I got into Kgirls to begin with because I heard there is great service and its levels above massage parlor style.

[FreeWally]

As for being hoodwinked about services rendered, it is best mitigated by what I mentioned previously: get confirmation from the booker or from online resources. The more consistent the responses you get and find, the less the likelihood of it being a red herring.

I'd like to add a few observations. With newer girls, there's the issue of communication where the booker can make a mistake with information. The booker could say she's 5'5" but she's 5'1" - I've seen mistakes both directions so it's not like this is always on purpose any more than when you get the wrong order at a drive thru. Also, the girl might change her policy on what she does, or provide different service depending on the customer, especially if she doesn't feel comfortable. Specifically, I have gotten different levels of service from the same girl on different visits. The booker has no control over that, obviously.

One time a guy complained a girl didn't even give a proper BJ, and I had the same experience when I first visited that girl. She was clearly new. But my second and third visit, she did. What's the booker supposed to say, they wouldn't know and don't want to know that level of detail (this example was not a k-org so the booker really doesn't care). There is no one correct answer for what a girl will do, especially for newer girls and a girl who didn't feel warmed up to a customer. The second time I saw her she was much happier since she knew me, and that obviously factored into it. With other girls, they don't remember me the second time and they just seem "tired" the second time and I don't get as good service. So there's an example where we ruled out every single possibility (same girl, same customer, same booker, etc.) and the service is still different.

Between 40 and 60 min options it's personal preference. I'm always done in 40 but if I want a longer massage or to go again 60 helps. For the business they want to attract customers of both preferences, and the choice is important. Same reason why they offer doubles, overnights, etc. Most people would never do it, but for someone who specifically wants doubles now the booker has their business instead of someone else. This is product sales 101 - on the supermarket shelves you see 8 flavors for a product even though only 1 product is popular. This is deliberate. They can now take up more shelf space for your eyes, and more importantly they can capture the customers who don't like their most popular product, rather than cede the market to other products. Same reason an ice cream store stocks 30 flavors even though people mostly buy just 5.

[HiKeke]

That's funny because a few weeks ago when I saw EJ, I asked about her and Cari being friends and she basically adamantly denied they were friends so I am guessing they are not cool with each other anymore for some reason. I remember EJ said she doesn't have friends that are working girls. But yeah, I remember them being in the same unit then one day wasn't.

They used to be close, but not sure about now since I no longer see Cari or EJ. And EJ definitely had few working kgirl friends in the past. OG kgirls usually tried to hide the fact to the general mongers for whatever the reason. Probably the nonya factor.

[Bastard Chorum]

Economically superior for the consumer right? I had thought financially the agency and provider would incentivize the hour for more profit. I think an hour makes sense for me if I can go two rounds and also make requests but I rather not pay more for that. I am reading up and finding out they charge for different things. Would I just ask the agency if a provider is open to certain things (rimming etc) or just check this forum first? Feels like it would be a crapshoot if I just wait and ask during the session because what if they can sense I am inexperienced and say they don't do rim for example but really they do and think they can pull a fast one? Maybe I am just being paranoid. My bad for all the questions. Thanks for the response.

Yes, I always frame my comments from the standpoint of a consumer / monger. If I do change perspective I try to clearly state it. Half hour and even 15 minute session are economically superior for both parties actually but for different reasons. The monger gets their release for the lowest available price and the agencies can increase their revenue earning potential as these sessions bring in more money per 'unit'. The hour session is more akin to a default package that both providers and mongers try to fill out in terms of routine, pacing, and overall sex acts. In the age of a la carte pricing and up charges, you'll want to ask the booker and refer to what is on available online, including these threads, to best prepare yourself on what's on offer. But do keep in mind that YMMV is a real thing so don't let a denial of certain things ruin the whole experience. If those things are deal breakers, clearly state them to the booker or get confirmation from trusted mongers here or elsewhere.

As for being hoodwinked about services rendered, it is best mitigated by what I mentioned previously: get confirmation from the booker or from online resources. The more consistent the responses you get and find, the less the likelihood of it being a red herring.

[Member #6646]

As with a lot of things: it depends.

Are you planning to build rapport or just satisfying an intermittent sexual urge? One hour is better value but half an hour is economically superior. If you can fill the hour with things that you want or like to do, then the choice is clear. In addition, how you conduct yourself plays a important part too: are you a wham! Bam! Thank you ma'am kind of guy or a marathoner looking to savor the moment as long as possible?

Answers to these question should help clear up which time frame best suits your need. However, worst comes to worst, just try both and see which you like best. Ideally with the same provider as attraction and service are variables that need to controlled to arrive at a conclusion that is valid and significant.

Economically superior for the consumer right? I had thought financially the agency and provider would incentivize the hour for more profit. I think an hour makes sense for me if I can go two rounds and also make requests but I rather not pay more for that. I am reading up and finding out they charge for different things. Would I just ask the agency if a provider is open to certain things (rimming etc) or just check this forum first? Feels like it would be a crapshoot if I just wait and ask during the session because what if they can sense I am inexperienced and say they don't do rim for example but really they do and think they can pull a fast one? Maybe I am just being paranoid. My bad for all the questions. Thanks for the response.

[Bastard Chorum]

Hey why'all. Do you usually recommend doing 30 m or hour appointments? Hope I'm posting in the right spot, pretty new to the K-game. Could use some guidance or general advice, DMs are welcome haha.

As with a lot of things: it depends.

Are you planning to build rapport or just satisfying an intermittent sexual urge? One hour is better value but half an hour is economically superior. If you can fill the hour with things that you want or like to do, then the choice is clear. In addition, how you conduct yourself plays a important part too: are you a wham! Bam! Thank you ma'am kind of guy or a marathoner looking to savor the moment as long as possible?

Answers to these question should help clear up which time frame best suits your need. However, worst comes to worst, just try both and see which you like best. Ideally with the same provider as attraction and service are variables that need to controlled to arrive at a conclusion that is valid and significant.

[Member #6646]

Hi, I hate to to bring bad news but felt it responsible to bring some awareness to this. This morning (Nov 8) 3 brothel owners were arrested (2 in Boston, 1 in Torrance) and while the CNN article doesn't talk about it, the DOJ website confirms this is an Asian agency operating in Massachusetts and Tysons Virginia. Read here:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/t...rothel-network

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/polit...sts/index.html

Some facts from their website, which all appear credible:

The two websites were bostontopten10.com and browneyesgirlsva. Blog, the first of which is already domain seized.

DOJ was tipped off starting last year in the summer of 2022. They noticed these appointments in phones they put under surveillance, and they interviewed 20 customers.

They claim some of the customers were government officials, which is credible, which would also automatically explain why the phones were under surveillance (people were using their government work phone to visit the places). Or it could have been another reason, but there is no reason to doubt this since it is a minor detail.

The three locations in question were Cambridge, Watertown, and Tysons (Virginia).

The most expensive apartment rented was $3,664, and the owners often paid by turning cash into money orders and using the money orders to pay bills and rent (pretty smart actually!

DOJ claims the price ranges from $350 to upwards of $600 per hour (Okay if true that's a bit steep but this place offered doubles so yeah that would do it).

They went out of their way to emphasize this is a high end brothel with high end customers charging (relatively) top dollar. Not sure why but they repeated variations of this many times.

The investigation is ongoing.

Some of my own observations:

Many girls who worked in Socal, when you look up their TER, often have worked in Tysons and East Coast. Often a few weeks or months before working the West Coast. So while there may be no direct affiliation at all (there probably isn't, they are probably just sharing girls between different businesses that refer each other), it means the network is exposed and DOJ has a lead to investigate completely different agencies.

The reason I post this info here is for that reason. No Socal agencies are directly affected, but they have a lead. If the different businesses are isolated like "cells" enough, it can take time and DOJ might just take the lowest hanging fruit and move on. In past investigations, they could not scratch the surface other than take down a few closely linked agencies (ex: Seattle). And here we are today with way more agencies than years ago in the last local bust. It is expensive and time consuming. Of course it helps that some of their own employees were presumably caught with the evidence on government phones. DOJ employees LOVE prostitutes if you follow the news.

By the way, even if and when they investigate other agencies, as you can see it can take a very long time, 6-18 months, to bear fruit. They have not indicted any girls or customers but say they are still investigating. But in past cases, it is not generally a good use of investigation time to indict them unless you are running a sting and can get the evidence quick and easy (I. E. It is ten times as much work to get good evidence without a sting and it is less likely to be good enough for court).

You can read the 60 page affidavit here if you're curious. I've read many in the past and it's always fun because they have to spell all the facts out:

https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-11/u...t_redacted.pdf

Very little is redacted so you can see actual text messages, addresses. One excerpt from the affidavit <the following are the DOJ officer's words, not mine>:

"As depicted above, women nicknamed "Kara," "Tina" and "Mimi" were offered to.

The Customer A). I am aware that the reference above to "BB" is a term in the prostitution industry.

That refers to sex without a condom, as evidenced by the Boston Brothel Phone clarifying in its.

Subsequent text of "(BB = without CD" I am also aware that "GFE" refers to "GirlFriend.

Experience" which provides a more intimate experience and blurs the boundaries between a.

Financial transaction and a romantic relationship. Generally speaking, when hen the customers.

Arrived at the apartment unit, they did not knock; the door was opened by an Asian female inside.

Who was expecting them. ".

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I was enjoying reading their take on things. It *almost* sounded as if they personally visited several times to get serviced and corroborate the facts, but then again they claim to have interviewed 20 customers (including themselves? Jk).

Please do not be too alarmed. This is normal and happens every few years. It is an inherent risk. Prostitution should be legalized and already is in many countries (and parts of the USA like Nevada) but it is what it is.

Ok this might be a sign for me to hit the brakes before I even get the ball rolling. Maybe some good can come out of this like dropping their prices if people get scared of going due to this news. How long would you recommend to lay low for?

[SsStuntCock]

Hey why'all. Do you usually recommend doing 30 m or hour appointments? Hope I'm posting in the right spot, pretty new to the K-game. Could use some guidance or general advice, DMs are welcome haha.

MSOG sessions are best booked for at least an hour.

[Member #6645]

Hey why'all. Do you usually recommend doing 30 m or hour appointments? Hope I'm posting in the right spot, pretty new to the K-game. Could use some guidance or general advice, DMs are welcome haha.

It's personal preference but I have read / heard the hour is the way to go, still not sure why but maybe they aren't as rushed?

[Member #6646]

Hey why'all. Do you usually recommend doing 30 m or hour appointments? Hope I'm posting in the right spot, pretty new to the K-game. Could use some guidance or general advice, DMs are welcome haha.

[SsStuntCock]

I posted in the LA kbb but I think it belongs in the OC section. Just looking for feedback on Mira. Booker told me she is back and was shocked I didn't know her. Is she that good? I probably will go see her but would like some encouragement haha! Appreciate it!

Find Tons of reviews here Mila (TER: 363942). She has fantastic gorilla grip and may bite you when she cums hard. You've been warned.

[Member #6645]

I have never seen a provider in the LA region but I think I read somewhere on the LA forum that some providers / agency are offering outcall? Has anyone experienced this in OC? If not, have you experienced it in LA? Gamechanger haha.

[RickySteamboat]

I posted in the LA kbb but I think it belongs in the OC section. Just looking for feedback on Mira. Booker told me she is back and was shocked I didn't know her. Is she that good? I probably will go see her but would like some encouragement haha! Appreciate it!

[Bastard Chorum]

Hi, I hate to to bring bad news but felt it responsible to bring some awareness to this. This morning (Nov 8) 3 brothel owners were arrested (2 in Boston, 1 in Torrance) and while the CNN article doesn't talk about it, the DOJ website confirms this is an Asian agency operating in Massachusetts and Tysons Virginia. Read here:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/t...rothel-network

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/polit...sts/index.html

I found it amusing that the old look through the trash tactic was both still employed and useful.

[Bastard Chorum]

Damn was Yoji always +100 for BB? I thought it was 280 all-in. I was hella excited to book today, then I canceled LOL.

It depends how she clicked with you, some got it and some did not.