"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

**Wolfish1** · 09-25-23 21:14

Any info on this SA chick?

**JoyDrop** · 09-25-23 21:07

Originally Posted by JohnnyKash [View Original Post]

In they bio they say I'm not a **** so don't ask me about a PPM.

So that's a different kind of girl. She's letting you know she's more interested in a traditional sugar arrangement, almost certainly looking for big $ and long term. If you're new to the sugar bowl and just looking for some no-obligation fun, that's not the type of girl you want to start with.

Since you have said you new to this, you'll want to do a lot of reading, particular in the FAQ in the Richmond sugar thread. Everything you could ever want to know is captured over the last few years in that thread or this one. The vast majority of the girls on SA are real civilian women who would never think of themselves as sex workers. They are regular girls who are usually spending beyond their means so they decide it wouldn't be a big deal to get paid to go on nice dates and give up something they're used to giving away to the losers they date for free anyway. You need to understand that mindset. If you're talking to a girl who's clearly down for PPM, then you don't need to beat around the Bush and all this goes out the window. On the other hand if you're talking to a girl that is looking for a more traditional arrangement, one that would never ever consider herself a prostitute in the usual sense, then you need to approach her like it's a dating situation and woo her. It takes game and it takes effort. And when it's all said and done, it still comes down to money. The trick with this type of girl is to pay her for what you want without ever making her *feel* like you're paying her for what you want.

**Raheem** · 09-25-23 20:54

Originally Posted by Verdit [View Original Post]

Sometimes I'll chat with a girl on SA who checks all the boxes, but her ask amount for PPM is too high for what I'm willing to pay.

Normally, I'll just politely decline without a counter. However, a couple of times that I have countered the girl gets offended that I'm not willing to pay the amount she wants.

So what have been SUCCESSFUL negotiation tactics you've used to get a girl down from a high dollar amount to something you're comfortable with paying?

I ask for her hhr donation. Often, 500 becomes 300.400 becomes 250.

**JohnnyKash** · 09-25-23 19:43

Originally Posted by PeterJohnson [View Original Post]

The overwhelming majority of them are just there for the $$ so why would it offend them?

In they bio they say I'm not a **** so don't ask me about a PPM.

**Peter Johnson** · 09-25-23 18:33

Originally Posted by JohnnyKash [View Original Post]

How do you bring up PPM in a respectful way without offending them?

The overwhelming majority of them are just there for the $$ so why would it offend them?

**UtahLedgend2** · 09-25-23 16:55

I know girls who have old accounts, but some of them date men two or three years and then they come back on and get the same account again. I met a girl once she fell in love with me, but she did not love our money. She said it was not enough for her. She had been on SA for four years when I met her. She finally found the double digit millionaire that she wanted married him and had kids. But one thing I can get that anytime I want it but I don't want it anymore. We still each other on WhatsApp.

Originally Posted by JohnnyKash [View Original Post]

Some accounts have been open for five-plus years does this mean they are a professional FWB girl / woman?

**Airmantroy** · 09-25-23 16:33

Originally Posted by JohnnyKash [View Original Post]

Some accounts have been open for five-plus years does this mean they are a professional FWB girl / woman?

Not necessarily, some just want attention. Others are scammers who are working the long con by making you think they've been on a while. If she's been on more than 6 months she damn well knows what the game is, don't let them tell you they haven't met anyone. It's probably BS. You can read back thru the forum and see who's been discussed in the last 6 months. If they are still active, there is a good start. Nobody here has a dick big enough to stretch out a pussy.

**JohnnyKash** · 09-25-23 16:23

Originally Posted by Verdit [View Original Post]

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...8-bfb772f11ba5

See seemed like a nice girl who was DTF. But just was we were about to meet she flaked out.

Which is odd, because she had already given me her address and directions to her apt.

She's been on the site for almost 2 years, so she's not a newbie.

Oh well, cute girl tho.

Some accounts have been open for five-plus years does this mean they are a professional FWB girl / woman?

**Verdit** · 09-25-23 15:01

Originally Posted by Airmantroy [View Original Post]

And to avoid the "rules" of the site, do your best to discuss "allowance on each visit" or words to that effect. I try and discuss it via text as often as possible.

Good tip.

Don't discuss anything related to money or even numbers on the site. Once hey bring it up or once they say they're interested in an arrangement, ask for their phone number so you can take it to text.

**Verdit** · 09-25-23 14:56

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...8-bfb772f11ba5

See seemed like a nice girl who was DTF. But just was we were about to meet she flaked out.

Which is odd, because she had already given me her address and directions to her apt.

She's been on the site for almost 2 years, so she's not a newbie.

Oh well, cute girl tho.

**Airmantroy** · 09-25-23 13:27

Originally Posted by Kingjack543 [View Original Post]

I fucked a couple of white chicks from Seeking and are DTF. If anyone has similar for trades, feel free to DM me.

And to avoid the "rules" of the site, do your best to discuss "allowance on each visit" or words to that effect. I try and discuss it via text as often as possible.

**FarFarAway** · 09-25-23 11:52

Originally Posted by MajMilkDuds [View Original Post]

To be honest. They usually will. I usually stick to doing it in person and just a simple drink or a hike to chat. Loosen them up and make them feel comfortable. Work the charm. Make them laugh. It goes far. Don't treat them like a P4 P provider. Play it like dating with extra. Then it should go well. .

This is exactly what I say, after a general convo about how I am not a freak and I am 100% safe, but that they wouldn't shock me, because I had my fun when I was divorced in my 30's.

"We'll get together privately, and we'll both have an excellent time, and in addition you will receive a gift. What are your needs?" Face to face, I believe their ask will be less than it would be behind a screen. People hate to be rejected, so she will go lower than if you were texting her. You will often get in response a question about what you have done before. I hate this. But going low can't hurt, she is asking. I don't think too much haggling is likely to lead to a happy ongoing relationship, but if you only want to hit and quit it, you can get to yes at a price point that will be agreeable.

I also ask the girl to get a hotel room for us and promise reimbursement of that cost in addition to allowance.

**JohnnyKash** · 09-25-23 11:07

Originally Posted by MajMilkDuds [View Original Post]

To be honest. They usually will. I usually stick to doing it in person and just a simple drink or a hike to chat. Loosen them up and make them feel comfortable. Work the charm. Make them laugh. It goes far. Don't treat them like a P4 P provider. Play it like dating with extra. Then it should go well. .

Thanks, I really needed that tip.

**MajMilkDuds** · 09-25-23 10:35

Originally Posted by JohnnyKash [View Original Post]

How do you bring up PPM in a respectful way without offending them?

To be honest. They usually will. I usually stick to doing it in person and just a simple drink or a hike to chat. Loosen them up and make them feel comfortable. Work the charm. Make them laugh. It goes far. Don't treat them like a P4 P provider. Play it like dating with extra. Then it should go well. .