Massage Parlor Reports

[Jannisary]

The biggest thing that has dried up STL and everywhere else is * Attractive girls can make an * and make the same if not more money just selling pics and videos then they ever would letting old dudes stick their pecker in them. It boggles my mind that people talk about the 'good old days' back in the 90's like that wasn't 20-30 years ago and older than most people you'd want to stick your dick in.

I disagree. I can drive up to Springfield IL and get a nice to wonderful massage with full service from a beautiful 20 to mid 30's year old asian massage girl. You just have to read the forum on this board and figure out what place you want to check out. For whatever reason, the St. Louis market, even the Eastside spas, just suck anymore.

The major busts against massage parlors in St. Louis was quite a while ago but maybe that is still a factor. The spas on the MO side of the river all seem to be HJ only for the most part unless you happen to luck out. The city and suburbs seem to take a lot of effort in keeping the spas in check to a point. The Centreville spas on IL side of the river are mostly older, rougher, massage workers that I guess need to keep working and can't cut it in the bigger better markets. But can't those spas attract the younger better looking girls like in Springfield and other cities? Honestly, the last girl I saw at Kiku Spa in Decatur IL, and her coworkers I met afterwards were better looking and younger looking than most of the Centreville workers that I've met.

Are St. Louis area clients just cheaper? Are the regulations and LE presence in the St. Louis area just tougher? Are the "families" that run the St. Louis asian spas just not able to get younger, better, talent? Whatever it is, there is undeniably a difference and you can't blame that on some internet porn site.

[StlGamerDude]

In the vast majority of locations here, the masseuse receives a base part of house's money. You're referring to jack shacks where they don't receive house money since they already make insane bank from tips.

Using your arbitrary tipping logic, why stop at 40 or 80 tip for a lousy massage? Why not tip 100? 200? Fuck, just throw them a blank check!

STL dried up for a couple reasons. First, there was one or two big busts that made news (sheng) which made everyone slow down (I guarantee that there were no tipping issues at that location during its peak). Things never fully recovered from that. Second, there's a growing trend over the past few years for a lackluster massage while aggressively pushing for a delusional tip. Shitty massage and DIY for an expectation of a $40 tip? Lmao, fuck off, bye. Because of that, many locations are getting less clientele and are pumping up their prices in hopes it will make up for the slower business (it won't). It's a cycle that will eventually put them out of business or force them to improve their services or lower their prices (they won't).

High tipping for a shitty massage incentivizes the very same massage experience that you are trying to avoid. If I tip a waiter 60% even though he sucks at his job, it's not going to make him a better waiter; it's going to make him believe he did a great job. The guys who tip $40 for an awful massage are the reason why still is so bad. They are rewarding bad behavior.

DC is more expensive because it's big on jack shacks since money flows there like piss. Even at its best, STL is absolutely nothing like the DC market. It never will be. But STL can still be good if we can rid ourselves of unnecessary simping over lazy masseuses and awful service.

I see a lot of posts that either severely misunderstand basic market dynamics, or the OP is likely associated with the locations they are shilling and trying to pump their business (yes that happens).

Have a good day, fellas.

The biggest thing that has dried up STL and everywhere else is * Attractive girls can make an * and make the same if not more money just selling pics and videos then they ever would letting old dudes stick their pecker in them. It boggles my mind that people talk about the 'good old days' back in the 90's like that wasn't 20-30 years ago and older than most people you'd want to stick your dick in.

[DiveMasterStl]

I have not seen her advertising for a while. I don't think she's around anymore but maybe someone else knows otherwise.

That's what I was afraid of, thanks. Big loss!

[Rickstr352]

200 is a fantastic nude rub!

Thought 2 was oral finish with her.

[Jeffc 574]

Thanks for this.

Can someone also give the lowdown on the Vixen rates? Thinking about getting a P411 to see them. I've been out of the game for a while.

I want to say 400.

But. Vayda / Diane is available on RR at her regular rates. Scarlett https://sensualscarlett.com is as well.

[Jfouquet]

Will be back in STL for a few days soon, is Catz still around? Please pm me if needed. Her and a couple others were always my go to's. Would love to see her again.

Thanks.

I have not seen her advertising for a while. I don't think she's around anymore but maybe someone else knows otherwise.

[MoarMassage]

First let me say I've been doing this for over twenty years. I started in the DC area and have traveled a bit, and have been here for about 10 years. When I started, the hour rate was $60-$70 with table shower - that's all to the house, the girls get none of that. Everywhere I have been, expected tip for HJ has been $80, with more for more. If I only tip $40 as you gentlemen do, it is for BAD service and / or no HE. Hell, the girl who cuts my hair gets an $8 tip on a $12 haircut. Do the math. It's no wonder this area is as dried up as it is, with women older than me. I wouldn't want to go to St Louis if I were a hot young chick either.

In the vast majority of locations here, the masseuse receives a base part of house's money. You're referring to jack shacks where they don't receive house money since they already make insane bank from tips.

Using your arbitrary tipping logic, why stop at 40 or 80 tip for a lousy massage? Why not tip 100? 200? Fuck, just throw them a blank check!

STL dried up for a couple reasons. First, there was one or two big busts that made news (sheng) which made everyone slow down (I guarantee that there were no tipping issues at that location during its peak). Things never fully recovered from that. Second, there's a growing trend over the past few years for a lackluster massage while aggressively pushing for a delusional tip. Shitty massage and DIY for an expectation of a $40 tip? Lmao, fuck off, bye. Because of that, many locations are getting less clientele and are pumping up their prices in hopes it will make up for the slower business (it won't). It's a cycle that will eventually put them out of business or force them to improve their services or lower their prices (they won't).

High tipping for a shitty massage incentivizes the very same massage experience that you are trying to avoid. If I tip a waiter 60% even though he sucks at his job, it's not going to make him a better waiter; it's going to make him believe he did a great job. The guys who tip $40 for an awful massage are the reason why still is so bad. They are rewarding bad behavior.

DC is more expensive because it's big on jack shacks since money flows there like piss. Even at its best, STL is absolutely nothing like the DC market. It never will be. But STL can still be good if we can rid ourselves of unnecessary simping over lazy masseuses and awful service.

I see a lot of posts that either severely misunderstand basic market dynamics, or the OP is likely associated with the locations they are shilling and trying to pump their business (yes that happens).

Have a good day, fellas.

[StlCards4000]

After several years of Chippewa / Watson Jasmine been backrub only, I am enjoy that more fun can be had. Since before COVID I have been 60 house / 60 tip, if I get a HJ. I was told to bring 100 for a tip next time on one visit. I brought 100. Got the same HJ I normally get and tipped 60. I got the feeling one lady was willing to offer more. If is get more, I will let you know.

Has anyone gotten tammy to pop those big Asian granny hangers out? I'd be hooked on them if she actually would pull them out.

[DiveMasterStl]

Will be back in STL for a few days soon, is Catz still around? Please pm me if needed. Her and a couple others were always my go to's. Would love to see her again.

Thanks.

[DrDex]

200 is a fantastic nude rub!

Thanks for this.

Can someone also give the lowdown on the Vixen rates? Thinking about getting a P411 to see them. I've been out of the game for a while.

[Lucky697]

Lilia's newest add lists 175/200/300 options. 175 was a standard rub. 300 has always been FS. Years ago 200 got a nude rub. Any idea what 200 gets these days?

200 is a fantastic nude rub!

[Jeffc 574]

Lilia's newest add lists 175/200/300 options. 175 was a standard rub. 300 has always been FS. Years ago 200 got a nude rub. Any idea what 200 gets these days?

[AceRimmer340]

First let me say I've been doing this for over twenty years. I started in the DC area and have traveled a bit, and have been here for about 10 years. When I started, the hour rate was $60-$70 with table shower - that's all to the house, the girls get none of that. Everywhere I have been, expected tip for HJ has been $80, with more for more. If I only tip $40 as you gentlemen do, it is for BAD service and / or no HE. Hell, the girl who cuts my hair gets an $8 tip on a $12 haircut. Do the math. It's no wonder this area is as dried up as it is, with women older than me. I wouldn't want to go to St Louis if I were a hot young chick either.

The standard tip was $40 ten years ago. Prices raise. Things cost more, especially now thanks to Bidenomics. I tip $30 or $40 just for a good hour long massage. Stop being a Cheap Charlie, you may be surprised what you can get for a little extra.

[NipLuver]

When I left the Chicago area in 2022,40 was the going rate for HJ. Had been for many many years.

That is all I've paid for HJ in the year I've been here. Both MO side and Centreville.

I agree with Oldcarguy, the only way you guys are ever going to see younger, more attractive girls is to loosen up the wallets a little. If a HJ has always been $40, then it's time it goes up like everything else. An extra $20 isn't going to hurt any of us mongers but it will be appreciated by these poor immigrants who make much less than us. And by the way, if you're going to Centreville to get a HJ, they aren't interested in your repeat business. These are FS parlors and if they have to give $40 HJs they're going to another city. Once again the young top end talent will never do a rotation in Centreville if the word gets around that guys are cheap and only looking for HJs.

[Stevee 37]

Went to this place the other day. The good is new and clean. Masseuse was mid 30's.

Massage was so-so no tease and DIY. May go back 1 more time to see if it gets better.

Place was in St, Charles past Jungerman Rd off of 94.