Non Pro's

[DelToro]

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[HelloThar]

For me, if I'm paying a bunch of money, they need to be great in bed. Most aren't. They think because they're cute they can just lie there and be pretty. If I'm paying $400-500, I expect to be so worn out that I'm out of commission for a week. If they were decent, I'll give them a second chance, but after that I'm pretty much done unless they can throw down. From talking to more than a few as well as hookers, most guys are done in 15 minutes, so I guess I'm not their ideal person anyway.

Yeah, I'd have zero tolerance for someone who just starfishes in bed. Might as well save my money and time and just rub one out at home.

Also, sounds about right regarding us not being ideal as I know many prefer the qv / half hour rates and have also heard nonpros / pros saying how some clients don't like to kiss at all in their sessions. It's an absolute must for me but I can see how some guys don't want that kind of intimacy, especially if they're married or whatnot, or just want a quick release from anyone at a cheap rate. Hell, some pros have even told me they get frustrated due to not orgasming in awhile before I saw them which kind of blew my mind considering their high volume. Apparently it's a combination of short appointments, clients not looking to reciprocate, or just flat out not being any good at it if they try, so some also act surprised and / or thankful when I say I want them to enjoy it too.

[Michael1967]

I would've probably given her $100 before your comment but she'd have to promise me to close her eyes as they creep me out. If dead fish in bed though, I wouldn't even give her that.

On another note, how often are you guys seeing someone on average before losing interest? Sometimes I wonder if my standards are too ridiculously high as I usually like who I meet, but for one reason or another don't feel motivated to seeing some after a few times. For me it could be a toss up of wanting more variety, driving distance, them not giving you as much time as you want, too routine / impersonal, etc. PPM at least makes this easier as I could always contact them later, though I still feel a little bad when they ask and I say I'm too busy or don't really express interest.

Part of the game of arrangements and me not having as much experience as others I guess.

For me, if I'm paying a bunch of money, they need to be great in bed. Most aren't. They think because they're cute they can just lie there and be pretty. If I'm paying $400-500, I expect to be so worn out that I'm out of commission for a week. If they were decent, I'll give them a second chance, but after that I'm pretty much done unless they can throw down. From talking to more than a few as well as hookers, most guys are done in 15 minutes, so I guess I'm not their ideal person anyway.

[HelloThar]

You saved yourself money. Woman is a dead fish in bed. Definitely not worth $400. I think her issue is she doesn't actually want to be a hoe, but she is a hoe. She's been on and off the site for years.

I would've probably given her $100 before your comment but she'd have to promise me to close her eyes as they creep me out. If dead fish in bed though, I wouldn't even give her that.

On another note, how often are you guys seeing someone on average before losing interest? Sometimes I wonder if my standards are too ridiculously high as I usually like who I meet, but for one reason or another don't feel motivated to seeing some after a few times. For me it could be a toss up of wanting more variety, driving distance, them not giving you as much time as you want, too routine / impersonal, etc. PPM at least makes this easier as I could always contact them later, though I still feel a little bad when they ask and I say I'm too busy or don't really express interest.

Part of the game of arrangements and me not having as much experience as others I guess.

[MaCross19]

HaleyJ21.

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...1-786ca6b15d94

I couldn't get a amount from her but I suggested 4 for a date and she cut off all communication and didn't counter offer.

I texted with her some and she told me all but one guy ghosted her on a meetup. I would imagine there making a date then finding a better deal.

So many of these women get on there thinking there going to strike it rich with guys showering them with tons of $$ When reality sets in they leave or lower there standards.

You saved yourself money. Woman is a dead fish in bed. Definitely not worth $400. I think her issue is she doesn't actually want to be a hoe, but she is a hoe. She's been on and off the site for years.

[MilfHunter66]

Yeah she does not even deserve that, 35 and overweight.

I thought I was being generous too. Had another one that was 43 only 4'10 and a little chunky quote me 6 . This is just getting stupid at this point. . For now it's just a game for me. Let's see if I can find something good. I have a couple nice pros I can see for a great rate with good service when I really need to.

I'm currently talking with a very level headed 33 yo that's 5'10" and slim. We will see if anything happens.

[HelloThar]

Some food for thought -- I've been tracking the ppm rates around Seattle and the surrounding areas and it does seem like many are overly accustomed to getting 500+ on average for meets. However, this is only what they've told me previous arrangements got them, and while it may be true, there's also no way for me to verify. So I just straight up ignore them when they say that and continue with my negotiation to see if they fit my criteria.

As a result, the same ones also seem open to doing it for less, say 400-500 as long as you hold your ground or show that you're nice enough when meeting. Could also be they're not drumming up as much interest with their GPS rates anymore too. Just make sure you still get your money's worth (I'd say 2 hrs minimum, if not more). Sometimes I feel like I get less bang for buck on the second meet onwards, but it depends on the person.

Note I've been focusing on attractive, slim types around 22-30 as I imagine you get much better value with age, if you aren't super picky like I am, or if you can host unlike me. Wouldn't mind some older types in the 300 range but just feel like the selection outside Seattle is shit. If I wanted to lower my standards, I'd just check out the other board.

Even some of the women on SA could pay me and I wouldn't meet them, much less give them any decent rate.

[DelToro]

4 was a generous offer!

Yeah she does not even deserve that, 35 and overweight.

[PriceIsRight39]

HaleyJ21.

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...1-786ca6b15d94

I couldn't get a amount from her but I suggested 4 for a date and she cut off all communication and didn't counter offer.

I texted with her some and she told me all but one guy ghosted her on a meetup. I would imagine there making a date then finding a better deal.

So many of these women get on there thinking there going to strike it rich with guys showering them with tons of $$ When reality sets in they leave or lower there standards.

Nope. They never lower their standards! They believe 300 k is minimum wage. LOL The wall approaches. She's fat, and 4 was a generous offer!

[MilfHunter66]

HaleyJ21.

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...1-786ca6b15d94

I couldn't get a amount from her but I suggested 4 for a date and she cut off all communication and didn't counter offer.

I texted with her some and she told me all but one guy ghosted her on a meetup. I would imagine there making a date then finding a better deal.

So many of these women get on there thinking there going to strike it rich with guys showering them with tons of $$ When reality sets in they leave or lower there standards.

[HelloThar]

I did not explicit ask for it. I never do. I just go with the flow and don't volunteer to put it on. If a woman brings it up, based on the vibe I either put one on, or negotiate based on my mood, how the session is progressing or horney I am. No one on SA has ever insisted on a condom, one lady did make me wear one once, but then in any case we went raw for round two. On SA I use exactly this same approach. I Never discuss it upfront.

My experience lately also has been they either don't bother or if they do, they change their mind after you suggest it or you show you aren't a desperate creep. I've come across some that have certain rules like cover for first time meet but even that changes pretty quick following foreplay and the heat of the moment.

I think women on there just realize many guys prefer it, they want to make you happy and come back, most are relatively low risk / volume, and most are on birth control or very well should be. And the rare ones that still don't budge after that likely will after you show test results, though I haven't had to show mine yet.

[DrtyHarry]

I've seen her close to a dozen times now I guess. I've learned she exaggerates a fair amount, for sympathy or something? Idk why. I agree when she's been drinking she can be a handful, and has even missed some dates with me because she was likely drunk. However when you can get her, she is a cool sweet girl to be around, and about the tightest girl I've ever met. You talked about her seeing guys bareback, and my experience with her is that she is a safety girl, so I wonder if that was her exaggerating again. I know I'd love to be in that bare.

Also the boyfriend part is real, I live somewhat near them and have met him a couple times, she actually introduced us one time, she's open with him.

I have been to her place several times, she has a room there that is just for playing, and have never been approached by anyone, her boyfriend just heads out for a couple hours.

I've found the best way with some of her flakiness is to communicate the day of meeting, and she loves when you bring weed.

I did not explicit ask for it. I never do. I just go with the flow and don't volunteer to put it on. If a woman brings it up, based on the vibe I either put one on, or negotiate based on my mood, how the session is progressing or horney I am. No one on SA has ever insisted on a condom, one lady did make me wear one once, but then in any case we went raw for round two. On SA I use exactly this same approach. I Never discuss it upfront.

[Michael1967]

I've seen her close to a dozen times now I guess. I've learned she exaggerates a fair amount, for sympathy or something? Idk why. I agree when she's been drinking she can be a handful, and has even missed some dates with me because she was likely drunk. However when you can get her, she is a cool sweet girl to be around, and about the tightest girl I've ever met. You talked about her seeing guys bareback, and my experience with her is that she is a safety girl, so I wonder if that was her exaggerating again. I know I'd love to be in that bare.

Also the boyfriend part is real, I live somewhat near them and have met him a couple times, she actually introduced us one time, she's open with him.

I have been to her place several times, she has a room there that is just for playing, and have never been approached by anyone, her boyfriend just heads out for a couple hours.

I've found the best way with some of her flakiness is to communicate the day of meeting, and she loves when you bring weed.

I don't usually say this publicly, but the times I saw her no condom was discussed or used. I'm generally not a BB person, I guess I don't search it out. With her there was no condom and no discussion of condom. I honestly don't know how other guys approach women, but I've been with many women that are mentioned here as being regular BBers and I didn't know because I put on a condom because they are hookers. With hookers, I generally put one on because it's expected; with SBs I just do what I do until they ask about a condom. Its usually about 1 or 2 in 10 that request a condom. I don't argue, I put it on. So, if you're offering up a condom without her requesting it, that may be the difference.

[HelloThar]

I've seen her close to a dozen times now I guess. I've learned she exaggerates a fair amount, for sympathy or something? Idk why. I agree when she's been drinking she can be a handful, and has even missed some dates with me because she was likely drunk. However when you can get her, she is a cool sweet girl to be around, and about the tightest girl I've ever met. You talked about her seeing guys bareback, and my experience with her is that she is a safety girl, so I wonder if that was her exaggerating again. I know I'd love to be in that bare.

Also the boyfriend part is real, I live somewhat near them and have met him a couple times, she actually introduced us one time, she's open with him.

I have been to her place several times, she has a room there that is just for playing, and have never been approached by anyone, her boyfriend just heads out for a couple hours.

I've found the best way with some of her flakiness is to communicate the day of meeting, and she loves when you bring weed.

I'm actually surprised the topic of safety hasn't come up if you're interested and you've seen her almost a dozen times. That's way more meets than what most guys seem to give around here and I would hope she likes the fact you see her often. She might've assumed you always wanted a cover. Then again, what do I know, especially with that boyfriend in the loop.

[RaisingCain]

DJ Sybian, I met around April or May of last year. She came to my place a few times for $400 each. We hit it off, but there are a million red flags.

1. After we had sex, she said she'd be raped 3 weeks earlier. Claimed that she was doing Instacart and someone drugged her while she was shopping, took her out of the store. She woke up naked in the back of pick up truck with some guy stripping her car. According to her, the police showed up, told her to get dressed and go home and let the guy go. The story is so unbelievable that I was skeptical. I believe she was raped, but I couldn't imagine any cop in Washington State encountering a naked woman claiming she was raped and telling her to get dressed and go home and let the guy go. I believe it has something to do with the other things she told me.

I've seen her close to a dozen times now I guess. I've learned she exaggerates a fair amount, for sympathy or something? Idk why. I agree when she's been drinking she can be a handful, and has even missed some dates with me because she was likely drunk. However when you can get her, she is a cool sweet girl to be around, and about the tightest girl I've ever met. You talked about her seeing guys bareback, and my experience with her is that she is a safety girl, so I wonder if that was her exaggerating again. I know I'd love to be in that bare.

Also the boyfriend part is real, I live somewhat near them and have met him a couple times, she actually introduced us one time, she's open with him.

I have been to her place several times, she has a room there that is just for playing, and have never been approached by anyone, her boyfriend just heads out for a couple hours.

I've found the best way with some of her flakiness is to communicate the day of meeting, and she loves when you bring weed.