Sugar Daddy Sites

[FarFarAway]

I reported here 6 months ago about a girl I FCed. 30's Latina, her important distinguishing feature. The most amazing nipples (think Thandie Newton) on firm round natural tits. Other good stuff too. Submissive, took any $ I gave her. I thought I was on the way. However, she didn't like getting the hotel room, which is how I keep secure. And, before we could meet again, I messed up. I was trying to text a POT, and somehow I sent it to her. She obviously realized I was chasing some other tail, and just quit responding to any messages I sent her. I had portrayed myself as doing only 1 girl at a time at the M&G. OK, I thought, too bad, I missed an opportunity to get live video of those tits.

Well, the other day, she texts me. I have been active on SA, I have a membership, IK she hasn't been on there. Just says she has been thinking about what fun we had. Obviously, I engage her, evidently her horninees has overcome her annoyance at being one-of many. So we are going to FC this week. A solution found to her getting a room.

Life is good, pussy is good, and there is no way anyone could call this girl an escort. So, as others here say, including HG, non-pros (NPs) can be found on SA.

[BamBam]

Report those SBs that take the monthly allowance and either ghost or feign perpetual sickness. Bait and switch.

Let's face it, as much as farfaraway glosses endlessly about how SBs aren't escorts and there's this emotional connection, the vast majority of SBs are mercenary $$ hunters.

Need to make this more of a level playing field.

Thoughts?

I did this for a long time on the Cincinnati SB thread. I could find a dozen or more scammers a week in our area. I disagree with our guru, HG, on the percent scammers - at least for my area. (I think he doesn't see a lot of them because they are not in his preferred demographic.) I am currently banned from Seeking and taking a break. I never reported any of them to the site. You have to keep in mind that the site LIKES having the scammers there. The scammers are a useful source of hot new profiles. Yes, they ban them after a few weeks. - in order to force them to make new profiles. However, they could easily block them 'ab initio' if they wanted to keep them out.

Next, there are always a few dicks who either simp to the scammers or taunt the scammers by telling them they are on the list. In my case, the scammer figured out who I was and the scammers started a campaign of reporting ME in retaliation. I was always careful about the site TOS but it is impossible to approach multiple profiles without some similarity in language. They got me for "spamming. "

I still keep a list but I much more careful about who I post online. As every experienced guy on here has figured out, there are always some AH's who will rush to a "girl" hoping to curry favor by sharing with them when anyone posts about them in our forums. The best approach is to cultivate a reliable circle of like-minded seniors with whom to share privately. I still post people online occasionally but not the full list.

BAM

[Dog Rice]

Where to keep such list, so is easily searchable.

Agreed about crashing the economy to put inflation under control. These SBs need to start paying student loans as well.

I like your way of thinking, but in all honesty the fed needs to keep jacking up interest rates to literally destroy the economy to keep inflation under control which is what I believe they are doing. We need another 2008/2009.

Rent and the general cost of living is going out of control, but I guess there are still enough people in the big metro areas with $$ to keep this going.

[FarFarAway]

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...d-f95c45ab62fd

She is definitely real, and I've gotten more pix from her in the past; smoking hot, perhaps some implants, but a bit odd, and definitely an escort vibe.

[DannyDanDan]

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...1-c926b156ee82

Unfortunately I messed things up but now that I'm no longer seeing her I can share a review.

Very sweet girl, cute accent, really down to earth. Adventurous in bed and very submissive too. Great service every time and it was pretty easy and straightforward to discuss expectations kinks etc before hand. She prefers a meet and greet but doesn't charge for it except for Ubering her back and forth. Hit it off at the m&g and got to make out, might have been able to do more I think but I didn't want to scare her off. Not sure if that's standard for her so YMMV.

Damage was 4 $ each time.

[LolBoat]

I was a founding member of HX. For many years, HX provided a great service both to Johns and escorts. The bad actors who were ripping off guys got reported. The bad guys who ripped off girls got reported. Saved me $$.

Now that SBs have this crazy sense of entitlement, maybe it's time to create a list of these bad acting / annoying SBs. Don't list personal info which is not allowed. But listing profile name and photos is allowed. Using Facecheck or any other website will get a SD a pretty good idea of who that person is.

Report those SBs that take the monthly allowance and either ghost or feign perpetual sickness. Bait and switch.

Let's face it, as much as farfaraway glosses endlessly about how SBs aren't escorts and there's this emotional connection, the vast majority of SBs are mercenary $$ hunters.

Need to make this more of a level playing field.

Thoughts?

I like your way of thinking, but in all honesty the fed needs to keep jacking up interest rates to literally destroy the economy to keep inflation under control which is what I believe they are doing. We need another 2008/2009.

Rent and the general cost of living is going out of control, but I guess there are still enough people in the big metro areas with $$ to keep this going.

[FarFarAway]

A profile I am messaging for upcoming travel. Claims Asian.

[ShowMeHow23]

Do you use Seeking for your London search?

Sorry, I went massively MIA. As I am in London, yes. Been easier to hook up than LA.

[ColoHobbyist]

So, who's paying all this money?

I think you answered your own question. It's noobs, rubes, and bros.

Although I hope we don't have a big recession, remember the silver lining of economic downturns is that they always drive down the price of and increase the availability of quality pussy. If you don't lose your own income, it can be a golden age.

I definitely recall the 2008/9 period with fondness. I was finding non-pro 8's and 9's that'd go all night, BBFSCIP, for $100 and dinner. What a time to be alive. 😂.

[HollywoodGuy]

I was a founding member of HX. For many years, HX provided a great service both to Johns and escorts. The bad actors who were ripping off guys got reported. The bad guys who ripped off girls got reported. Saved me $$.

Now that SBs have this crazy sense of entitlement, maybe it's time to create a list of these bad acting / annoying SBs. Don't list personal info which is not allowed. But listing profile name and photos is allowed. Using Facecheck or any other website will get a SD a pretty good idea of who that person is.

Report those SBs that take the monthly allowance and either ghost or feign perpetual sickness. Bait and switch.

Let's face it, as much as farfaraway glosses endlessly about how SBs aren't escorts and there's this emotional connection, the vast majority of SBs are mercenary $$ hunters.

Need to make this more of a level playing field.

Thoughts?

I have fallen to maybe zero actual scammers on seeking in like 15 years. Time wasters, GPS, flakey, etc? Sure plenty of them. If you stay away from girls that have years old profiles, look like blow up dolls, have escorty looking pics, and other red flags you will probably be OK. Seeking in my opinion is about 50% escorts, 25% some kind of low mileage girl and 20% just looking around, and maybe 5% unicorns.

My only issue with your suggestion (but feel free to start a new thread), is that it somewhat promotes a negativity that puts out a bad vibe. Maybe I am a bit hippyish, but I try to just focus on the positive and quickly put the negative behind me and just consider it part of the game. Also there is an aspect of YMMV and one guys bad experience might be another guys good one.

Actually I did have one girl I banged a few times try to scam me later with threating calls. Just blocked her and she never even tried calling from a different number. Luckily I only FCed her at the notel so she had no idea where I was from.

[FarFarAway]

I was a founding member of HX. For many years, HX provided a great service both to Johns and escorts. The bad actors who were ripping off guys got reported. The bad guys who ripped off girls got reported. Saved me $$.

Now that SBs have this crazy sense of entitlement, maybe it's time to create a list of these bad acting / annoying SBs. Don't list personal info which is not allowed. But listing profile name and photos is allowed. Using Facecheck or any other website will get a SD a pretty good idea of who that person is.

Report those SBs that take the monthly allowance and either ghost or feign perpetual sickness. Bait and switch.

Let's face it, as much as farfaraway glosses endlessly about how SBs aren't escorts and there's this emotional connection, the vast majority of SBs are mercenary $$ hunters.

Need to make this more of a level playing field.

Thoughts?

IDK anything about yours. The SBs I have had, definitely, it isn't just pay for play. I read a lot of profiles, there are a lot who don't want to be treated like escorts, and say that explicitly.

I did a first FC today w / a 29 YO, who dropped out of dental school, trying to figure out what to do in life that really fits. From an iconic LA family. Immense daddy issues even at her age. She was married briefly, her story is a very amazingly low 'body count'.

I think there must be some sort of connection, but I am not stupid. I gave my first SB, who I have posted on here before, her monthly allowance up front, that was incredibly naive. However, I was very lucky that she had a heart of gold and wasn't trying to make a quick buck, she played a long game and wanted to get on the gravy train. For most girls these days, the key is to begin to FC them with a setup such that neither party has to rely on the other doing something in the future that they have promised. I have definitely heard of girls on the site complaining about SDs who have promised them X $ per month and not delivered, after spending the month banging them. Yeah, IK, we should all get so lucky.

I usually propose a setup where the monthly amount is agreed on, and then an amount for just the first FC is agreed on. While technically that constitutes pay per meet, I never ever phrase it that way. Keeping this concept out of the head of a SB is a good practice. Provided the first one goes well, you enter into the ongoing deal. I typically, up to about 6 months, do 2 payments per month. As I am usually seeing a girl 3 x / mo, that means that there is one FC she isn't getting anything. She gets to test out how that feels for her, I can get to know her level of trust.

Even though there are not supposed to be escorts on seeking, if you want to review them, more power to you. And certainly, regular little SBs can sometimes get a crazy idea and rip off a SD.

[SteveTandberg]

I was a founding member of HX. For many years, HX provided a great service both to Johns and escorts. The bad actors who were ripping off guys got reported. The bad guys who ripped off girls got reported. Saved me $$.

Now that SBs have this crazy sense of entitlement, maybe it's time to create a list of these bad acting / annoying SBs. Don't list personal info which is not allowed. But listing profile name and photos is allowed. Using Facecheck or any other website will get a SD a pretty good idea of who that person is.

Report those SBs that take the monthly allowance and either ghost or feign perpetual sickness. Bait and switch.

Let's face it, as much as farfaraway glosses endlessly about how SBs aren't escorts and there's this emotional connection, the vast majority of SBs are mercenary $$ hunters.

Need to make this more of a level playing field.

Thoughts?

[HollywoodGuy]

I've been a member off and on since 2012. I've had longer term arrangements as well as short term ones. Last one I just ended was for 4 years. Previous one was 4 years. Back then, SBs were students, girls / women that had fallen on hard times. Lots of actresses and models that couldn't make rent. There were some escorts but not many. There were very few professional SBs who used it as their main source of income.

Now that I'm actively looking I'm seeing the PPM pricing jaw dropping. Granted, HG has found quite reasonable ones. From early 20's to late 40's, I'm finding that the general standard for a very attractive woman (not drop dead gorgeous model) is around $1 k. A few are $500, some at $700, some at $1. 5 k. But the majority are at this $1 k PPM level. Likewise, many, and I mean many, of the SBs are either professional women that you can find on Linkedin (just use the various face matching websites), IG "entrepreneurs", and then your proverbial "party" girls who bop around from event to event, concert to concert. Who is funding all of this?

This reminds me of SF during the late 90's when Silicon Valley money was flowing. This happened again, during the 2000's, when again, lots of bros were making $$ from the IPOs, and although not stupid rich, retired with $10 million+. Really changed dating as you saw the influx of very attractive women coming to the SV to meet these rich bros. Beloved restaurants started jacking up their prices and you no longer could get reservations. Home and nicer apartment pricing soon followed suit. This was not inflation. This was event driven.

I'm wondering if the pandemic flow of cash, as well as the crypto bros has uplifted the PPM to this level.

Your well to do attorneys and I Bankers can fund $10 k / month during good times when bonuses are large. But now, not so much. Individual business owners have more freedom but still their businesses have to being doing well to afford a $10 k+/ month SB. Same for retirees.

So, who's paying all this money?

I think the biggest problem has more to do with all the online options that a so-called SW now has. OF and similar sites, Chaturbate and similar sites, ManyVids and similar sites or as my longest term SB/GF has discovered (being an online Domme). They never have to meet the guys and in some cases never even have to get naked (she never does).

Some of these girls make serious bank. But even my GF who is not in a high paid demographic (small breasted AA spinner), can still earn an easy $$ to $$$ bills a day. And one day this month earned a grand. A good portion of those girls have escorted, so once they see they can make as much or more without escorting... Hence the crazy prices.

Then there is all the online buzz about being a sugar baby and with little to no stigma attached to it. No girl wants to be called a prostitute so they started "escorting" and now its "sugaring". Each one with a higher perceived value and incrementally higher pay scale.

But also run away inflation does have an impact as well. Most of these girls are renters and eat out a lot. And those prices have sky rocketed (along with everything else).

And yes I do pay less than some guys because my preference is AA girls. And except for the very very few, even the hottest AA girls don't ask for more than 3-4 bills. And there are many real beauties for $$. But if you only date blond & blue or K girls, girls over 22, etc. well then the price is going to be up there.

[FarFarAway]

My standard reply to any message I don't like (if I even give one) is "I will keep that in mind, thanks".

If I am curious about their PPM I just ask "how much for an hour or more of your time". And asking about an hour pretty much gets the point across as to what I am looking for.

But the best course of action is to always move to some type of off line chat ASAP to discuss the particulars.

I am generally very placid in responding to even quite outrageous messaging on the site. And indeed, my most common action is to simply block the profile and move on. I must admit, this bold / brassy young lady, who wasn't all that actually (if you want to find her, cultured was in her handle), really rubbed me the wrong way. I mean, I have messaged tons of women on the site over a long period of time, and I have gotten every response under the sun. But the idea that I would have to pay her to see her private pic. That has never occurred to me earlier. So, it put me into a state of tilt, as the poker players say.

Thanks for the venting.

Hopefully, I can get someone at the site to be reasonable, this was likely a stupid AI bot they use. I guess I am thankful I didn't get banned, I only had to scroll through the TOS and watch a 2 minute video to get reinstated. However, this warning means that if I had another violation, I would be banned. And we all know what a royal PITA it is to recover from that. So, it is worth at least attempting to appeal this action. When something so obviously innocuous can lead to such unreasonable action by them.

[SteveTandberg]

I've been a member off and on since 2012. I've had longer term arrangements as well as short term ones. Last one I just ended was for 4 years. Previous one was 4 years. Back then, SBs were students, girls / women that had fallen on hard times. Lots of actresses and models that couldn't make rent. There were some escorts but not many. There were very few professional SBs who used it as their main source of income.

Now that I'm actively looking I'm seeing the PPM pricing jaw dropping. Granted, HG has found quite reasonable ones. From early 20's to late 40's, I'm finding that the general standard for a very attractive woman (not drop dead gorgeous model) is around $1 k. A few are $500, some at $700, some at $1. 5 k. But the majority are at this $1 k PPM level. Likewise, many, and I mean many, of the SBs are either professional women that you can find on Linkedin (just use the various face matching websites), IG "entrepreneurs", and then your proverbial "party" girls who bop around from event to event, concert to concert. Who is funding all of this?

This reminds me of SF during the late 90's when Silicon Valley money was flowing. This happened again, during the 2000's, when again, lots of bros were making $$ from the IPOs, and although not stupid rich, retired with $10 million+. Really changed dating as you saw the influx of very attractive women coming to the SV to meet these rich bros. Beloved restaurants started jacking up their prices and you no longer could get reservations. Home and nicer apartment pricing soon followed suit. This was not inflation. This was event driven.

I'm wondering if the pandemic flow of cash, as well as the crypto bros has uplifted the PPM to this level.

Your well to do attorneys and I Bankers can fund $10 k / month during good times when bonuses are large. But now, not so much. Individual business owners have more freedom but still their businesses have to being doing well to afford a $10 k+/ month SB. Same for retirees.

So, who's paying all this money?