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  1. #1175

    Rough Business

    I feel bad for the guy, but not too bad.

    Part of the reason I do strip clubs way more than escorts -- I think the last time I saw an escort was a decade ago -- is the risks involved in the escort game, as well as the work required if you want to mitigate the risks. If anything, this is a reminder: Do your research, particularly if you have a lot to lose. I know some of you are willing to TOFTT; I'm not. If she's not well-reviewed by a few customers who have an extensive review history, or affiliated with a provider who is, don't take the chance. As someone else said below, error toward bailing on first sight of any red flags. Live to fight another day. What attempts this guy made to be careful weren't careful enough and he paid dearly.

    Obviously it very much sucks for him and he's in a bad spot now, but it's not unrecoverable. The school kinda had to do what it did; parents, particularly in well-to-do suburbs and of girls, are not going to let their daughters spend a lot of time around a guy with any sort of sexual impropriety on his record, no matter how good of a coach he is. But he can probably make the leap to the men's college game as a Division 3 assistant or something, perhaps out of state, have no issues and eventually get back on a path to head coaching if he wants. He'll get through the legal issues; assuming he has no priors, he's clearly been successful otherwise and should get off with a lenient penalty. Whatever happens with his home life happens.

    It could have been far worse, and he can sell it as such if he needs to. He wasn't doing anything pervy with his players, at least that we know of. He wasn't pursuing a minor. Dude just wanted to get laid. When we're honest with ourselves, we all do. He just went about it kinda wrong.

  2. #1174
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleLife  [View Original Post]
    Once again, to be found guilty, the prosecutor must provide evidence that your intent was some form of sex for something of value. If you never ask for some form of sex, there is no evidence. It is perfectly legal to pay an escort to talk, dance, meet in hopes of a real relationship because I'm captain save a hole, you can openly meet an escort in a hotel room for purposes that do not involve sex. Do not talk or text about "multiple pops" as the coach did. I meet holes to save their souls. You have no evidence to prove otherwise.
    We all agree that this is a crock of shit but we need to protect ourselves from the bullshit.
    I think after he started to undress that's when he was arrested. His intent then was obvious to the police.

  3. #1173
    Quote Originally Posted by Axel6  [View Original Post]
    I agree. We're pretty fucked up as a society when we condone pornography, drag queens, and keeping sexual identity from parents in elementary schools, but won't allow two consenting adults to make a business transaction on sex. I believe that it's another way for the feminists to strip away our masculinity and keep our everyday lives in complete celibacy. Politicians will never change the laws because they're afraid of losing their wives votes even though they're refusing to have sex with them. I could go on with other examples of how this double standard is taking place. What I want to know is why the police think this is a good use of tax payer dollars when our kids are dropping dead from fentanyl overdoses.
    Once again, to be found guilty, the prosecutor must provide evidence that your intent was some form of sex for something of value. If you never ask for some form of sex, there is no evidence. It is perfectly legal to pay an escort to talk, dance, meet in hopes of a real relationship because I'm captain save a hole, you can openly meet an escort in a hotel room for purposes that do not involve sex. Do not talk or text about "multiple pops" as the coach did. I meet holes to save their souls. You have no evidence to prove otherwise.
    We all agree that this is a crock of shit but we need to protect ourselves from the bullshit.

  4. #1172

    Depends on intent, I guess

    "I look at it this way. What if the coach had been on a dating site. He met up with the woman at her hotel. He then took the woman to a fancy restaurant bought her a lobster dinner and drinks. They then went back to his house or her hotel and had consensual sex. Is that a crime?"

    Could be charged as a crime and I know people of both genders that have been charged with "non-marital intercourse".

    944.30  Prostitution.

    (1 m)  Any person who intentionally does any of the following is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor:

    (a) Has or offers to have or requests to have nonmarital sexual intercourse for anything of value.

    (b) Commits or offers to commit or requests to commit an act of sexual gratification, in public or in private, involving the sex organ of one person and the mouth or anus of another for anything of value.

    (c) Is an inmate of a place of prostitution.

    (d) Masturbates a person or offers to masturbate a person or requests to be masturbated by a person for anything of value.

    (e) Commits or offers to commit or requests to commit an act of sexual contact for anything of value.

    Of course, a woman in a "dating" situation would never admit to engaging in "an act of sexual contact for anything of value". Same for the upstanding, wholesome, "ladies" who use their attractiveness and "sexual contact" to lure a man into providing them with the lifestyle of their dreams, only to "lose interest" later, proving that they were just sloring themselves out to get "something of value".
    Last edited by DieselMike; 04-17-23 at 08:58. Reason: punctuation

  5. #1171
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    Posts: 376
    Quote Originally Posted by Star67  [View Original Post]
    I have been dwelling on this. This guys life has been DESTROYED because he wanted companionship and was horny. Does that make him a criminal? I think NOT.

    I would FULLY support the police under four (4) conditions:

    1 - They had set this up as an underage sting. Meaning monger was responding to an ad or looking for sex from someone under the age of 18.

    2 - If there was an actual victim of HUMAN TRAFFICKING involved.

    3 - Illegal narcotics were involved.

    4 - Other criminal activity was involved IE... illiegal firearms or robbery.

    If any of those conditions existed. Then throw the book at him.

    If the HOTEL was having a problem with prostitution, why did the manager simply deny or refuse the use of the room to the handler/manager or prostitute?

    I look at it this way. What if the coach had been on a dating site. He met up with the woman at her hotel. He then took the woman to a fancy restaurant bought her a lobster dinner and drinks. They then went back to his house or her hotel and had consensual sex. Is that a crime?

    If that is a crime... then IMO then any sex that is not for the sole purpose of procreation could then be a criminal act. If we have two (2) consenting adults where is the CRIME?

    Also, doesn't this mean anyone who performs a service in exchange for cash or anything of value also guilty of a crime? Are we going to lock up plumbers, electricians, carpenters, doctors and dentists? Hell I know some employees are treated worse by their employer under worse conditions than what most prostitutes experience when they perform their job... does that mean employers are guilty of a criminal act?

    I will agree with those who said the moment he saw LE anywhere in the area of the hotel, he should have bailed. Another option would have been for him to say if this date is on the up and up... meet me at (somewhere close by) and lets have lunch, coffee, or a drink. If they bail it wasn't meant to be.

    There is NO victim or potential victim here.

    Just my 2 cents.
    I agree. We're pretty fucked up as a society when we condone pornography, drag queens, and keeping sexual identity from parents in elementary schools, but won't allow two consenting adults to make a business transaction on sex. I believe that it's another way for the feminists to strip away our masculinity and keep our everyday lives in complete celibacy. Politicians will never change the laws because they're afraid of losing their wives votes even though they're refusing to have sex with them. I could go on with other examples of how this double standard is taking place. What I want to know is why the police think this is a good use of tax payer dollars when our kids are dropping dead from fentanyl overdoses.

  6. #1170
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertWi69  [View Original Post]
    Saw this headline as a friend of mine has a daughter who played for the guy. The story doesn't have many details of the operation other than it was on March 28th and 5 guys were busted. Anyone have anymore info on where and how?

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...ournalsentinel
    I have been dwelling on this. This guys life has been DESTROYED because he wanted companionship and was horny. Does that make him a criminal? I think NOT.

    I would FULLY support the police under four (4) conditions:

    1 - They had set this up as an underage sting. Meaning monger was responding to an ad or looking for sex from someone under the age of 18.

    2 - If there was an actual victim of HUMAN TRAFFICKING involved.

    3 - Illegal narcotics were involved.

    4 - Other criminal activity was involved IE... illiegal firearms or robbery.

    If any of those conditions existed. Then throw the book at him.

    If the HOTEL was having a problem with prostitution, why did the manager simply deny or refuse the use of the room to the handler/manager or prostitute?

    I look at it this way. What if the coach had been on a dating site. He met up with the woman at her hotel. He then took the woman to a fancy restaurant bought her a lobster dinner and drinks. They then went back to his house or her hotel and had consensual sex. Is that a crime?

    If that is a crime... then IMO then any sex that is not for the sole purpose of procreation could then be a criminal act. If we have two (2) consenting adults where is the CRIME?

    Also, doesn't this mean anyone who performs a service in exchange for cash or anything of value also guilty of a crime? Are we going to lock up plumbers, electricians, carpenters, doctors and dentists? Hell I know some employees are treated worse by their employer under worse conditions than what most prostitutes experience when they perform their job... does that mean employers are guilty of a criminal act?

    I will agree with those who said the moment he saw LE anywhere in the area of the hotel, he should have bailed. Another option would have been for him to say if this date is on the up and up... meet me at (somewhere close by) and lets have lunch, coffee, or a drink. If they bail it wasn't meant to be.

    There is NO victim or potential victim here.

    Just my 2 cents.

  7. #1169
    Quote Originally Posted by Incredulous411  [View Original Post]
    Well that sucks and is completely ridiculous the news people destroy a guy's life over something so innocent. These municipalities mostly just bust guys for the easy revenue.

    But don't be fooled, it absolutely doesn't matter even if you don't say anything more than " hi, can I come over " to a provider. Just talking to a provider or showing up will get you busted if they really want to.

    Just another great reason why I'd have never or would ever go to a girls place. If I can't pick you up and she willing gets in my car. She isn't worth it. And yes, even with that, could still get busted.
    It is illegal to offer "anything of value" (roses, $, loans) in exchange for a sex act. During a sting their goal is to get you to talk about both. With someone new you should just say you would like to meet. If they push you to say what you want to do "baby", just say you want to meet. You have not broken the law. If she continues to push you to ask for a sex act, it is probably a cop/sting. When you meet do the LE check and negotiate. If you can't come to terms, leave. If you get arrested, say nothing except, "I want an attorney because they will continue to get you to confess. That is their goal. Cops just arrest, ticket, and write a report. The DA can and likely will drop charges if you have not broken the definition of the law. Jury instructions require jurors to agree that the prosecutor has proven that definition. This guy screwed up. I have been arrested, ticketed, fingerprinted, mugshots, searched, locked up in a jail cell, my things tested for drug residue, (and I'm white) released after 6 hours, and when I met with the DA everything dropped.

  8. #1168

    Getting busted

    Quote Originally Posted by ImAnEatGuy  [View Original Post]
    This fella made the news and probably destroyed his life by visiting a "provider" in Brookfield. This article paints a pretty clear picture of what his experience looked like. The main thing that I took from this article is that he seemed to use the same texting language that I use. This is a very sobering experience.

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...n/70115029007/
    Well that sucks and is completely ridiculous the news people destroy a guy's life over something so innocent. These municipalities mostly just bust guys for the easy revenue.

    But don't be fooled, it absolutely doesn't matter even if you don't say anything more than " hi, can I come over " to a provider. Just talking to a provider or showing up will get you busted if they really want to.

    Just another great reason why I'd have never or would ever go to a girls place. If I can't pick you up and she willing gets in my car. She isn't worth it. And yes, even with that, could still get busted.

  9. #1167
    Quote Originally Posted by ComMango1968  [View Original Post]
    2 in the afternoon on a school day. Unless they were on break.

    Regardless, if you see Uncle walk away. Got to shut up that little head sometimes.
    Way too many things that can go wrong with hotel incalls.

    Would be great if someone had a screenshot of the ad with pics of the cop chick decoy! Article said no face shot but wondering how much skin she was showing as "bait".

  10. #1166

    Be careful out there.

    This fella made the news and probably destroyed his life by visiting a "provider" in Brookfield. This article paints a pretty clear picture of what his experience looked like. The main thing that I took from this article is that he seemed to use the same texting language that I use. This is a very sobering experience.

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...n/70115029007/

  11. #1165

    Which hotel

    Quote Originally Posted by ComMango1968  [View Original Post]
    2 in the afternoon on a school day. Unless they were on break.

    Regardless, if you see Uncle walk away. Got to shut up that little head sometimes.
    Which hotel in Brookfield? Off blue mound.

  12. #1164

    During the school day?

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertWi69  [View Original Post]
    Saw this headline as a friend of mine has a daughter who played for the guy. The story doesn't have many details of the operation other than it was on March 28th and 5 guys were busted. Anyone have anymore info on where and how?

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...ournalsentinel
    2 in the afternoon on a school day. Unless they were on break.

    Regardless, if you see Uncle walk away. Got to shut up that little head sometimes.

  13. #1163

    Nothing is safe but

    I wonder if police would do a sting at these sketchy motels that a lot of these girls use and the motel / hotel staff know what's going on? If it wasn't for these providers at these motels, they would probably be losing a lot of money each day or maybe even go out of business.

    Why would to continue up to her room if there's a cop in the lobby? His little head really runs his like!!

    I bet there's more guys out there that pay to play than we think. Neighbor, cashier at the store, teachers, bus driver, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by KlewBlue777  [View Original Post]
    Here's part of the article from today's Waukesha Freeman about this sting operation:

    Police report.

    According to a report released by Brookfield police Thursday, Hansen was arrested at an unnamed hotel on March 28 after arriving there following an arrangement to meet someone for a sexual encounter arranged over a website known to be used by prostitutes to advertise their services. The incident report lists Hansen's employer as the Kettle Moraine School District. It gives his date of birth as Dec. 3, 1967; Hansen's Facebook page, with the profile picture being a photo of the gold ball 2023 state champion trophy, also listed his birthday as Dec. 3 on Thursday. The phone number for Hansen in the exchange with police provided with the report matches a number known to be connected to him.

    The report said a female Brookfield police officer and several others from Brookfield and Waukesha set up a "prostitution operation" at an unnamed Brookfield hotel on March 28, posting a photo of the female officer that didn't use her face.

    Hansen allegedly responded to the ad, asking about prices. He allegedly asked about "deep French kissing," whether the woman would require a condom, and asked for a photo of the woman, who used the name "Crystal. " When she asked for a name so she would know who was knocking at the hotel room door, he told her it was "Dan," the report said.

    Arriving at the hotel at about 2 pm March 28, the report said Hansen told the woman he was nervous after seeing a police officer in the lobby. "Well they aren't here for me," the woman replied.

    "Make me nervous to come up," Hansen said in a text exchange provided with the police report.

    "Just come on up don't act weird," the woman replied. "You're not a cop?" came the question from Hansen's phone.

    "No not the law I promise," was the reply. Police officers were reported as positioned throughout the hotel and in a bathroom of the hotel room when Hansen arrived. When he got to the designated room, after small talk about seeing the police, Hansen removed a shoe and presented money he'd kept in a sock, the report said.

    "After seeing the money and being unsure if he was going to start undressing, I indicated to the arrest team to enter from the bathroom to arrest Hansen," the report said.

    Hansen was taken to the Brookfield Police Department where he was booked and cited for a municipal violation of Brookfield's prostitution ordinance, and given a citation with a bond amount of $2,581 and a non-mandatory court date of April 24 and was released, the report said.

  14. #1162

    Brookfield sting arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertWi69  [View Original Post]
    Saw this headline as a friend of mine has a daughter who played for the guy. The story doesn't have many details of the operation other than it was on March 28th and 5 guys were busted. Anyone have anymore info on where and how?

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...ournalsentinel
    Here's part of the article from today's Waukesha Freeman about this sting operation:

    Police report.

    According to a report released by Brookfield police Thursday, Hansen was arrested at an unnamed hotel on March 28 after arriving there following an arrangement to meet someone for a sexual encounter arranged over a website known to be used by prostitutes to advertise their services. The incident report lists Hansen's employer as the Kettle Moraine School District. It gives his date of birth as Dec. 3, 1967; Hansen's Facebook page, with the profile picture being a photo of the gold ball 2023 state champion trophy, also listed his birthday as Dec. 3 on Thursday. The phone number for Hansen in the exchange with police provided with the report matches a number known to be connected to him.

    The report said a female Brookfield police officer and several others from Brookfield and Waukesha set up a "prostitution operation" at an unnamed Brookfield hotel on March 28, posting a photo of the female officer that didn't use her face.

    Hansen allegedly responded to the ad, asking about prices. He allegedly asked about "deep French kissing," whether the woman would require a condom, and asked for a photo of the woman, who used the name "Crystal. " When she asked for a name so she would know who was knocking at the hotel room door, he told her it was "Dan," the report said.

    Arriving at the hotel at about 2 pm March 28, the report said Hansen told the woman he was nervous after seeing a police officer in the lobby. "Well they aren't here for me," the woman replied.

    "Make me nervous to come up," Hansen said in a text exchange provided with the police report.

    "Just come on up don't act weird," the woman replied. "You're not a cop?" came the question from Hansen's phone.

    "No not the law I promise," was the reply. Police officers were reported as positioned throughout the hotel and in a bathroom of the hotel room when Hansen arrived. When he got to the designated room, after small talk about seeing the police, Hansen removed a shoe and presented money he'd kept in a sock, the report said.

    "After seeing the money and being unsure if he was going to start undressing, I indicated to the arrest team to enter from the bathroom to arrest Hansen," the report said.

    Hansen was taken to the Brookfield Police Department where he was booked and cited for a municipal violation of Brookfield's prostitution ordinance, and given a citation with a bond amount of $2,581 and a non-mandatory court date of April 24 and was released, the report said.

  15. #1161

    Her coach

    And her dad are both playing in this "hobby"? I bet there's a lot more people out there that we know that have this in common with us.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertWi69  [View Original Post]
    Saw this headline as a friend of mine has a daughter who played for the guy. The story doesn't have many details of the operation other than it was on March 28th and 5 guys were busted. Anyone have anymore info on where and how?

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...ournalsentinel

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