"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

**Member #6718** · 01-13-23 11:32

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

I don't understand some of the profiles I see, where the girls want to travel, sometimes big overseas trips. That is definitely going to involve both parties knowing each other's real identities, with all the risks that entails. It is sort of an understood aspect of arrangements that the guy gets to keep his anonymity, and for the married SDs (supposedly about 40% of the men on seeking) that is a foregone conclusion. It is a rare SD who reveals his actual full name to a SB. So what is this from the girls? Is it just a pleasant fiction, lies SBs and SDs tell one another that puts a spin on a relationship that may really be more sordid? I guess I'd like to have a SB who has a brain and some worldly experience, including travel, but that doesn't mean I am taking them on a trip with me.

I am single. I have taken SBs all over the USA and over the world. It is a helluva lot of fun going to London or Vail as a 50 yo with a hot 23 yo coming along for the ride.

**TylerDurden07** · 01-12-23 17:59

"I don't understand some of the profiles I see, where the girls want to travel, sometimes big overseas trips. That is definitely going to involve both parties knowing each other's real identities, with all the risks that entails. It is sort of an understood aspect of arrangements that the guy gets to keep his anonymity, and for the married SDs (supposedly about 40% of the men on seeking) that is a foregone conclusion. It is a rare SD who reveals his actual full name to a SB. So what is this from the girls? Is it just a pleasant fiction, lies SBs and SDs tell one another that puts a spin on a relationship that may really be more sordid? I guess I'd like to have a SB who has a brain and some worldly experience, including travel, but that doesn't mean I am taking them on a trip with me."

I've had 8-9 long-term babies over the last couple of decades & all of them have accompanied me on at least one trip. Of course, these trips occurred well into the relationship so no, they weren't learning my full name within the first handful of dates. I can't think of any trip that I took with any of them that wasn't great, to varying degrees. For me, the young lady must prove to me she's trustworthy & then in turn I have to be able to trust myself that I did my homework on her properly.

This lifestyle carries a certain amount of risk. Someone who is averse to risks of any kind is not going to get the most of out of this lifestyle that they could otherwise be getting.

Honest disclaimer, though: I am not married & have no SO. If I did, then sure, my analysis would indeed be more cautious on this.

**FarFarAway** · 01-12-23 15:58

I don't understand some of the profiles I see, where the girls want to travel, sometimes big overseas trips. That is definitely going to involve both parties knowing each other's real identities, with all the risks that entails. It is sort of an understood aspect of arrangements that the guy gets to keep his anonymity, and for the married SDs (supposedly about 40% of the men on seeking) that is a foregone conclusion. It is a rare SD who reveals his actual full name to a SB. So what is this from the girls? Is it just a pleasant fiction, lies SBs and SDs tell one another that puts a spin on a relationship that may really be more sordid? I guess I'd like to have a SB who has a brain and some worldly experience, including travel, but that doesn't mean I am taking them on a trip with me.

That being said, I have a bowl buddy who is on here (this thread) but rarely posts, he had a long-term (years) SB who did eventually find out his real name. Now, they were committed, he nearly threw over his whole life for her, and he took her to Europe. How he was able to swing this having a SO I was never able to figure out, but he definitely was a magician as far as SDs are concerned. For most of us, I don't see how this could work.

I have a trip coming up to Vegas, part of the time I'll be there alone, some of the girls I see on my local SA mention they spend time in Vegas; now, I could see hooking up w / one of those and having a great time. Safely.

**LaidLow17** · 01-12-23 14:30

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...5-2a9e1b628017

Don't even know why I'm surprised anymore.

**Member #6718** · 01-12-23 13:10

Originally Posted by LouisHernandez [View Original Post]

Well I'm in Denver, maybe ATL is better. Denver was great up until the Chinese flu hit and since it's never been the same. The ratio is just really bad. I send messages to many girls who won't reply and they aren't anything particularly special. Before 2019 it was like shooting fish in a barrel. I landed some incredible young pussy on seeking pre 2019 with little to no effort. I think too many California dudes moved here or something.

I have been looking at Denver because I will be skiing there a few weeks over winter. The pickings look terrible there I have to say.

**WillDuff** · 01-12-23 10:00

Originally Posted by MilfHunter818 [View Original Post]

I had this problem using chrome. I switched to edge and was able to login just fine.

I had the same problem from Saturday to night before last. I found that I needed to install the last Chrome update. That fixed it.

**Member #6704** · 01-12-23 01:28

Originally Posted by LouisHernandez [View Original Post]

Anyone tried any other sites besides SA recently? The male to female ratio is nothing like it was even a few years ago, which is slowly turning SA into another vanilla dating app where the girls get so many messages and so many "pseudo" options that the flake rate is getting unbearable. The site is getting away from its core mission of sugar dating with the new "datingup" name change. I miss the good ole days. I know about secretbenefits.com but that site has been thoroughly discredited as a rinser / scam site. Too many phony profiles and phony messages from fake accounts being sent to try to drain your credits.

On SA I'd say half of the profiles are just straight up fake, and another 25% are just time waster / cashapp scammers. Maybe only 25% of the girls on there are real and of those maybe half of them are actually willing to meet up.

Wondering what else is out there. My subscription on seeking is about to end soon and this may finally be my last hurrah. Just not worth the amount of time and effort anymore.

On an unrelated note and thinking outside the box: I'm into fitness and considering as a side gig to be a part time personal trainer. The certification test takes about 3-6 months to prepare/study and complete. I can pick whatever hours I want and even try to pick my clients since I don't need the money. So many times I see hot young women dripping wet literally when some dude is training them. I had a friend back in the day who did that and every month he was dating some hot young piece of ass, all personal training clients.

Funny I was thinking the same. Personal trainer route. But that means I need to get in shape!! Curious what age is your friend who was hooking up with girls from the gym? But that's true I had personal trainer friend as well but he was early 40's.

**LouisHernandez** · 01-12-23 00:00

Originally Posted by SeekingRdu [View Original Post]

It's a fair bit of work man but it's not that bad out there. In 2022 I pretty much averaged one new chick per week. Many were one offs but several where it has been a good ongoing relationship. There is a lot of weeding and sifting to be done, but the rewards are still great.

Well I'm in Denver, maybe ATL is better. Denver was great up until the Chinese flu hit and since it's never been the same. The ratio is just really bad. I send messages to many girls who won't reply and they aren't anything particularly special. Before 2019 it was like shooting fish in a barrel. I landed some incredible young pussy on seeking pre 2019 with little to no effort. I think too many California dudes moved here or something.

**Member #6718** · 01-11-23 23:47

Originally Posted by LouisHernandez [View Original Post]

Finally got a piece of ass. 28 year old, not too thick but with a nice ass. Went straight to her place and after a 15 min intro went to town.

Her profile was pretty UTR, one pic with no face and then shared private pics. Took some prodding to get her share her private pics. I'm finding now the only success is with a UTR with bad photos and just hope she looks better in person. She looked better in person.

I'll keep this one going for a while as she's into BBFS CIP for $200. I'm pretty much done with my search for this subscription. I've never had it this tough before. So many fucking flakes. Even after getting numbers they go dark for no reason after a few messages. The seeking heydays aren't just over, they are long gone. This is a an insane amount of work and I was close to coming with nothing at all.

It's a fair bit of work man but it's not that bad out there. In 2022 I pretty much averaged one new chick per week. Many were one offs but several where it has been a good ongoing relationship. There is a lot of weeding and sifting to be done, but the rewards are still great.

**LouisHernandez** · 01-11-23 22:42

Finally got a piece of ass. 28 year old, not too thick but with a nice ass. Went straight to her place and after a 15 min intro went to town.

Her profile was pretty UTR, one pic with no face and then shared private pics. Took some prodding to get her share her private pics. I'm finding now the only success is with a UTR with bad photos and just hope she looks better in person. She looked better in person.

I'll keep this one going for a while as she's into BBFS CIP for $200. I'm pretty much done with my search for this subscription. I've never had it this tough before. So many fucking flakes. Even after getting numbers they go dark for no reason after a few messages. The seeking heydays aren't just over, they are long gone. This is a an insane amount of work and I was close to coming with nothing at all.

**Member #7125** · 01-11-23 16:23

Originally Posted by MilfHunter818 [View Original Post]

I had this problem using chrome. I switched to edge and was able to login just fine.

I did the same as the milfhunter.

**SoonerFan72** · 01-11-23 16:09

Originally Posted by LouisHernandez [View Original Post]

Anyone tried any other sites besides SA recently? The male to female ratio is nothing like it was even a few years ago, which is slowly turning SA into another vanilla dating app where the girls get so many messages and so many "pseudo" options that the flake rate is getting unbearable. The site is getting away from its core mission of sugar dating with the new "datingup" name change. I miss the good ole days. I know about secretbenefits.com but that site has been thoroughly discredited as a rinser / scam site. Too many phony profiles and phony messages from fake accounts being sent to try to drain your credits.

On SA I'd say half of the profiles are just straight up fake, and another 25% are just time waster / cashapp scammers. Maybe only 25% of the girls on there are real and of those maybe half of them are actually willing to meet up.

Wondering what else is out there. My subscription on seeking is about to end soon and this may finally be my last hurrah. Just not worth the amount of time and effort anymore.

On an unrelated note and thinking outside the box: I'm into fitness and considering as a side gig to be a part time personal trainer. The certification test takes about 3-6 months to prepare/study and complete. I can pick whatever hours I want and even try to pick my clients since I don't need the money. So many times I see hot young women dripping wet literally when some dude is training them. I had a friend back in the day who did that and every month he was dating some hot young piece of ass, all personal training clients.

I've had a little success with Sugar Daddy Meet (www.sugardaddymeet.com). I know a few others on here has as well. Not quite as much traffic, and you still have fakes and flakes, but success can be had if you put some work into it. And its cheaper, $90 gets you 3 months.

**FarFarAway** · 01-11-23 15:04

All sugar babies are local. The ones in Atlanta are different than those around me.

Long ago, I met someone special on the site Established Men. I even posted a photo of her hotness on the Richmond thread recently. I saw her on SA after we stopped dating also. There is a lot of cross listing. Back then, Established Men was OK, I know nothing about it now.

**LouisHernandez** · 01-11-23 13:52

Anyone tried any other sites besides SA recently? The male to female ratio is nothing like it was even a few years ago, which is slowly turning SA into another vanilla dating app where the girls get so many messages and so many "pseudo" options that the flake rate is getting unbearable. The site is getting away from its core mission of sugar dating with the new "datingup" name change. I miss the good ole days. I know about secretbenefits.com but that site has been thoroughly discredited as a rinser / scam site. Too many phony profiles and phony messages from fake accounts being sent to try to drain your credits.

On SA I'd say half of the profiles are just straight up fake, and another 25% are just time waster / cashapp scammers. Maybe only 25% of the girls on there are real and of those maybe half of them are actually willing to meet up.

Wondering what else is out there. My subscription on seeking is about to end soon and this may finally be my last hurrah. Just not worth the amount of time and effort anymore.

On an unrelated note and thinking outside the box: I'm into fitness and considering as a side gig to be a part time personal trainer. The certification test takes about 3-6 months to prepare/study and complete. I can pick whatever hours I want and even try to pick my clients since I don't need the money. So many times I see hot young women dripping wet literally when some dude is training them. I had a friend back in the day who did that and every month he was dating some hot young piece of ass, all personal training clients.

**FarFarAway** · 01-11-23 10:51

Having good operational security is key to keeping your identity safe from a SB, and eliminating any possibility of blow back from a failed sugar relationship, extortion attempts, and possible exposure to a SO. I without fail remove my license plate before a M&G. I can usually arrange the meeting spot so I can do this across a big parking lot, so I am not really driving plate less on public roads. In California they don't care much about this anyway, but in other jurisdictions YMMV, literally. One other thing I have done is put black electrical tape across the last part of the VIN, which is visible on the lower left of my windshield. Having a VIN is just about as good as a plate # for identifying someone based on their vehicle.

There is at least one website where you can provide a plate # or VIN and, for $40, get the registration of the vehicle. I have used this a couple of times to identify SBs I was seeing, but of course they could do the same in reverse. Some SBs may also go to the trouble of getting a 'friend' in LE to run your car.

I have as a main goal at a M&G to get the POT into my car 'for more private discussion of sensitive topics'. There I can touch her if the vibe suggests she is receptive, and with appropriate preamble, I always try to get the girl to kiss me. One can always wonder if a girl is really interested in or even willing to bang someone 20,30, even 40 years her senior (I admit to being a geezer). I figure if she won't kiss me at the M&G, there's no damn way she is going to meet at the FC. I also typically rely on the girl to book the room for us, which reduces the risk of discovery for me. If things feel right at the M&G, I will even advance a girl cash that will cover the room, so she knows she isn't going to be stiffed by me. It is a show of good faith on my part, and only a couple of times has the girl not delivered. I guess I can claim to be a good judge of character / choosing wisely.