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[LukeWarmWater3]

With this particular girl, she didn't have an expectation, like she had some super pussy. I would be offered a free session, which I would always accept to make sure it wasn't just BS lip service.

This person valued the client, a real natural.

I had one a was seeing few years ago. Saw her quite a lot for her regular price which was quite reasonable at the time. 2 hours for 3 Bennies. Went in for a while. Then my money train rain down. Told her I couldn't see her as we were going. Her rpsonse was just to make it the room cost. Like $100 same time frame now. Saw her a number of times at that rate. Honestly in due time I was actually getting bored of her pussy! Then one time out the blue I get the "I'm in a bind can you help me out with lime $200" So I'm already ahead of the game with her. So I split the difference with her. Now I'm still seeing her for the same rates. Once a week or so. Then the numbers started going higher. By the time it was all done. By my figures I was still ahead by a ways. But whatever she left the state and I don't miss her one bit.

[HoodedMark]

Why would you do any of that? My time is not free to them. They do not do anything free for us.

With this particular girl, she didn't have an expectation, like she had some super pussy. I would be offered a free session, which I would always accept to make sure it wasn't just BS lip service.

This person valued the client, a real natural.

[Its Secret]

I agree with mostly everything above. In all the years doing this shit, I can only think of one provider who I could trust enough that I was willing and comfortable enough to do extra things for: drive her somewhere, offer an advance if I knew she was in a spot. Ect. But this person was truly unique. Never once did this person ever ask for anything. Every other experience I had with getting involved with a girl turned out bad in the end. I learned my lesson years ago.

To be fair, she didn't have to ask because you were offering it. Advance a no-go in any circumstance.

I had one hit me up for buying pics this morning, saying she needs money to keep her room. I don't even reply.

[PhillyDiscreet]

I agree with mostly everything above. In all the years doing this shit, I can only think of one provider who I could trust enough that I was willing and comfortable enough to do extra things for: drive her somewhere, offer an advance if I knew she was in a spot. Ect. But this person was truly unique. Never once did this person ever ask for anything. Every other experience I had with getting involved with a girl turned out bad in the end. I learned my lesson years ago.

Why would you do any of that? My time is not free to them. They do not do anything free for us.

[HoodedMark]

Myself and others have probably posted these before but you can never hear good advice enough. These are things you should not do with these girls. You may think it's going to get you better mileage. It is not. It will get you shittier service. It will have the opposite effect of what you think. Remember, you think logically. These girls act on instinct and their only goal is to get money out of you, nothing more. Your goal should always be to get the best service at the lowest price.

1) Deposits. Never pre pay these girls. I don't care if they say they have to ask for one because of stuff guys do. WTF do you care what some other guys did to them? Who cares if guys flaked on them? They flake on guys all the time. You should not care about that. I don't care if you have sent deposits before and didn't have an issue. You just got lucky. You will be robbed soon enough. You see that all the time on here. Deposits may be the single most stupid and avoidable scam you can fall for in this hobby.

2) Do not pay more than they ask. Frankly you shouldn't be paying what they ask to begin with let alone pay more. To pay more than they ask is stupid. You will not get better service. If anything you will get worse service because they now see you as an easy mark. Why should they work hard to make sure you have fun and come back when you are just handing them money up front for nothing? They know your deal already and will take full advantage of you by doing as little as possible for the highest price they can get from you. Way too many guys are easy marks for them.

I had a new monger message me recently asking about some girl. I told him she is a good call but has a history of robbing guys who are stupid. His response was he was going to offer her more so she doesn't rob him. You can guess what my response was to him. I went a little easier since he hadn't seen a girl yet and just doesn't know. You just are not going to get better service or not get robbed or whatever by handing them more than they ask. If anything it has the opposite effect. I don't even give them tips. I don't give them extra if I go well over the time. My attitude is that I am a clean, safe and reliable call that is no stress for them. Do not have the I am a good guy attitude in this hobby. Do not fall for I will do a BBBJ for extra. No you will do it for the price we originally agreed on or you will never see me again. If you showed up right and she wants your business again she will do it when you say you don't do upsells. I usually get whatever I want from these girls and at a deep discount if I am a repeat customer. But I do NOTHING for them except be a clean, safe and reliable call. There is value in that for them. Realize that and stop acting like they are doing you a favor.

I don't care if you are 70 yrs old, 5 ft tall and weigh 400 lbs and have zero chance with women in regular life. These are not regular women. They have slept with many guys worse than you. Don't think you have to pay them more or do favors for them to get decent service. Just act normal and present yourself as best you can. That means groom downstairs, be freshly showered, well dressed and give the impression you will be back again if she treats you right. Remember, this hobby is the great equalizer. You get to sleep with women you can't always get in regular life.

Don't do these girls favors or run them on errands. Guys do this for three reasons.

One, they think it gets them better mileage. No it doesn't. I am the one seeing her for $80 for a full hour after you just drove her all around town to do her shopping and probably paid for her room. In that hr with her I got better mileage than you ever have. Let that sink it. You did all that for nothing. Again, she sees you do all this and knows she can drop down her game with you. I know this happens because girls tell me they have guys like that. Guys post here how they drive these girls all over.

Two, guys do this because they feel sorry for these girls. Do not listen to their stories. They do this so you feel bad for them and give them extra money or do stuff for them. They are happy with their lives and have everything they need. These girls are professional hustlers. Don't be stupid.

Third, some guys do stuff for these girls because they are lonely. I can't answer you on that but these really are not the types of girls you should consider for companionship outside of the call. Get a puppy or a kitten if you are lonely. You are just being used and having your bank account emptied for the pleasure of hanging around a drug addicted professional hustler who could care less about you. She has her man waiting for her at home or back in the room.

3) Oh an emergency came up I have to leave now but will make it up to you with a free call next time. So she does this to you 5 minutes into your hr call. Understand you are not getting a free call next time. Again, You are not getting a free call next time. In case you didn't hear me, you are not getting a free call next time. That is not how these girls operate. So if you can't manage to grab your money back and high tail it out of there you will be ghosted when you reach out to her again for that free makeup call.

But here is how I handle this situation. I don't expect to get that free call. I could post a negative review but usually all that does is get more guys to see her because most of your fellow mongers are idiots. Here is how I handle it. I reach out to her saying I want to see you again and I know a free makeup call is like an alien concept to you. But we got to make this right. I use two options here depending on my mood and both have worked every time. I know these girls always want money. So I may say to make this right how about an hr call for half the rate. They agree. Do it once more after that and you are squared away. However I usually make that new temporary rate the new norm for every hr call going forward. My other option I do is say we got to make this right. I will give you our usual rate but you got to dig up another girl for a double. They usually will find some non working friend of theirs who agrees and she probably throws the girl 20 or 40 bucks because she doesn't know better. So again, things are equal now. Of course see if you can grab that non working girls number and see her on the side at a deep discount.

There is nothing special about me. I am moderately good looking. I am not in great shape. I am not rich. But yet I get great calls almost all the time and rarely pay full rates, especially when repeating. Why? Because I know how to act around these girls. Showing up clean and trimmed and acting normal gets you in the door. After that, realizing your value in being that way leads to getting what you want, how you want it and when you want it going forward. It's really all about being firm, steady, normal and acting like a man. The point I am making is that me, and guys like me, are getting better service at a lower rate than these guys who treat these girls like they are royalty. They are not. When you treat them like they are you have already lost. They are drug addicts who need money to feed their habit. Nothing more, nothing less.

I agree with mostly everything above. In all the years doing this shit, I can only think of one provider who I could trust enough that I was willing and comfortable enough to do extra things for: drive her somewhere, offer an advance if I knew she was in a spot. Ect. But this person was truly unique. Never once did this person ever ask for anything. Every other experience I had with getting involved with a girl turned out bad in the end. I learned my lesson years ago.

[DocTego]

This is very true. I did an entire post on this a while back. We have all been there. It's not a recent thing either. There are just days when nothing goes thru, even backups. This is when we make stupid decisions. Refreshing a site to re check girls we passed on earlier. Sometimes we even start checking out garbage sites just to find something. There was a reason we passed by those ads the first time. But we get it in our head we got to see someone. That almost never works out and ends up with getting a shitty call and wasting money. We need to train the brain to just stop and try again the next day. I don't do the frantic searches anymore. But even now I sometimes go see a regular I am very bored with and really don't want to see just to see someone.

When your primary target doesn't pan out you can often have a great time with choice #2 and find a gem. But when you are getting into 4th, 5th. 6th option, or more, it's probably going to be a real bad call. If you passed by an ad the first time don't go back and re visit it. You had a reason to pass by it the first time. This hobby is one of those times you go with your first gut instinct.

100% truthful. I don't want to make myself or my job sound more important than they are, but my situation is such that my available dates and times to hobby are limited. As such, I can't always just try the next day. I sometimes know that I'll be available a little in advance, but it still requires a return contact.

[Gentleman007]

It's sort of incredible how hard it can be to get a reply and make something happen at times, even with multiple people. I think this is also where people lose the plot and start refreshing STG and lowering their standards. It can be hard, but on nights like that, if I can't connect with the 2-4 people I reach out to, I'm moving on.

I know it's very frustrating dealing with providers who post and ad and doesn't respond when we tried to reach them. That cements the decision I made a long time ago about reaching to the average girls in different towns who don't do this as a profession, rather in the heat of the moment for some cash and some excitement.

Checking STG all I see is old ladies out of shape, or younger ones with obvious signs of drug abuse, and above all setting rates that are just plain ridiculous.

The last weeks of nice warm weather brought out a few girls who were hard to pass. I always said, get your acorns before the Winter season gets here.

[TailGunner1]

It's sort of incredible how hard it can be to get a reply and make something happen at times, even with multiple people. I think this is also where people lose the plot and start refreshing STG and lowering their standards. It can be hard, but on nights like that, if I can't connect with the 2-4 people I reach out to, I'm moving on.

This is very true. I did an entire post on this a while back. We have all been there. It's not a recent thing either. There are just days when nothing goes thru, even backups. This is when we make stupid decisions. Refreshing a site to re check girls we passed on earlier. Sometimes we even start checking out garbage sites just to find something. There was a reason we passed by those ads the first time. But we get it in our head we got to see someone. That almost never works out and ends up with getting a shitty call and wasting money. We need to train the brain to just stop and try again the next day. I don't do the frantic searches anymore. But even now I sometimes go see a regular I am very bored with and really don't want to see just to see someone.

When your primary target doesn't pan out you can often have a great time with choice #2 and find a gem. But when you are getting into 4th, 5th. 6th option, or more, it's probably going to be a real bad call. If you passed by an ad the first time don't go back and re visit it. You had a reason to pass by it the first time. This hobby is one of those times you go with your first gut instinct.

[Its Secret]

It's sort of incredible how hard it can be to get a reply and make something happen at times, even with multiple people. I think this is also where people lose the plot and start refreshing STG and lowering their standards. It can be hard, but on nights like that, if I can't connect with the 2-4 people I reach out to, I'm moving on.

[Gentleman007]

Hey bud, can you clear some PMs? Want to send you a message. Ty much.

Housekeeping is done.

[Its Secret]

Thank you for the eye feast. Cheyenne a few years ago was a must see. Flexible, pretty face, a killer little ass and boy she can suck the soul out of you. I saw her a few times and never let me down. I'm saddened by her current look. Phoenix as you said, she is who she is, I never had an issue with her, but I never leave anything out of sight. Thank you again Cooky.

Hey bud, can you clear some PMs? Want to send you a message. Ty much.

[Lance547]

Myself and others have probably posted these before but you can never hear good advice enough. These are things you should not do with these girls. You may think it's going to get you better mileage. It is not. It will get you shittier service. It will have the opposite effect of what you think. Remember, you think logically. These girls act on instinct and their only goal is to get money out of you, nothing more. Your goal should always be to get the best service at the lowest price.

1) Deposits. Never pre pay these girls. I don't care if they say they have to ask for one because of stuff guys do. WTF do you care what some other guys did to them? Who cares if guys flaked on them? They flake on guys all the time. You should not care about that. I don't care if you have sent deposits before and didn't have an issue. You just got lucky. You will be robbed soon enough. You see that all the time on here. Deposits may be the single most stupid and avoidable scam you can fall for in this hobby.

2) Do not pay more than they ask. Frankly you shouldn't be paying what they ask to begin with let alone pay more. To pay more than they ask is stupid. You will not get better service. If anything you will get worse service because they now see you as an easy mark. Why should they work hard to make sure you have fun and come back when you are just handing them money up front for nothing? They know your deal already and will take full advantage of you by doing as little as possible for the highest price they can get from you. Way too many guys are easy marks for them.

I had a new monger message me recently asking about some girl.

Great advice, but this also applies to women in real life. Most women have a circle of men that orbit around them but the ones that do the most for those women often get no sex, they just get used. For example, there is the guy they call when they need money, another guy for weed, another guy to talk to for hours about nothing, another man they might call her bestie to go out with and drink and one or 2 different guys for pure sex. This is common in the hood and in the suburbs a guy will just try to friend his way into a relationship being a woman's total biccch boy all while she gives it up for the jock jerk.

Over the years I realized I was too nice and cut all ties and friendships with women. A male isn't a woman's friend and a female will use all your time and think nothing of it. I remember helping young women move and they couldn't even spot me 20 $ for some lunch. The only women I help now are elderly / disabled otherwise you got to pay me for my time (or feed me) because I'm gone.

[LolBoat]

*real* UTRs are girls who don't do this at all.

Those are the best!

[TailGunner1]

Myself and others have probably posted these before but you can never hear good advice enough. These are things you should not do with these girls. You may think it's going to get you better mileage. It is not. It will get you shittier service. It will have the opposite effect of what you think. Remember, you think logically. These girls act on instinct and their only goal is to get money out of you, nothing more. Your goal should always be to get the best service at the lowest price.

1) Deposits. Never pre pay these girls. I don't care if they say they have to ask for one because of stuff guys do. WTF do you care what some other guys did to them? Who cares if guys flaked on them? They flake on guys all the time. You should not care about that. I don't care if you have sent deposits before and didn't have an issue. You just got lucky. You will be robbed soon enough. You see that all the time on here. Deposits may be the single most stupid and avoidable scam you can fall for in this hobby.

2) Do not pay more than they ask. Frankly you shouldn't be paying what they ask to begin with let alone pay more. To pay more than they ask is stupid. You will not get better service. If anything you will get worse service because they now see you as an easy mark. Why should they work hard to make sure you have fun and come back when you are just handing them money up front for nothing? They know your deal already and will take full advantage of you by doing as little as possible for the highest price they can get from you. Way too many guys are easy marks for them.

I had a new monger message me recently asking about some girl. I told him she is a good call but has a history of robbing guys who are stupid. His response was he was going to offer her more so she doesn't rob him. You can guess what my response was to him. I went a little easier since he hadn't seen a girl yet and just doesn't know. You just are not going to get better service or not get robbed or whatever by handing them more than they ask. If anything it has the opposite effect. I don't even give them tips. I don't give them extra if I go well over the time. My attitude is that I am a clean, safe and reliable call that is no stress for them. Do not have the I am a good guy attitude in this hobby. Do not fall for I will do a BBBJ for extra. No you will do it for the price we originally agreed on or you will never see me again. If you showed up right and she wants your business again she will do it when you say you don't do upsells. I usually get whatever I want from these girls and at a deep discount if I am a repeat customer. But I do NOTHING for them except be a clean, safe and reliable call. There is value in that for them. Realize that and stop acting like they are doing you a favor.

I don't care if you are 70 yrs old, 5 ft tall and weigh 400 lbs and have zero chance with women in regular life. These are not regular women. They have slept with many guys worse than you. Don't think you have to pay them more or do favors for them to get decent service. Just act normal and present yourself as best you can. That means groom downstairs, be freshly showered, well dressed and give the impression you will be back again if she treats you right. Remember, this hobby is the great equalizer. You get to sleep with women you can't always get in regular life.

Don't do these girls favors or run them on errands. Guys do this for three reasons.

One, they think it gets them better mileage. No it doesn't. I am the one seeing her for $80 for a full hour after you just drove her all around town to do her shopping and probably paid for her room. In that hr with her I got better mileage than you ever have. Let that sink it. You did all that for nothing. Again, she sees you do all this and knows she can drop down her game with you. I know this happens because girls tell me they have guys like that. Guys post here how they drive these girls all over.

Two, guys do this because they feel sorry for these girls. Do not listen to their stories. They do this so you feel bad for them and give them extra money or do stuff for them. They are happy with their lives and have everything they need. These girls are professional hustlers. Don't be stupid.

Third, some guys do stuff for these girls because they are lonely. I can't answer you on that but these really are not the types of girls you should consider for companionship outside of the call. Get a puppy or a kitten if you are lonely. You are just being used and having your bank account emptied for the pleasure of hanging around a drug addicted professional hustler who could care less about you. She has her man waiting for her at home or back in the room.

3) Oh an emergency came up I have to leave now but will make it up to you with a free call next time. So she does this to you 5 minutes into your hr call. Understand you are not getting a free call next time. Again, You are not getting a free call next time. In case you didn't hear me, you are not getting a free call next time. That is not how these girls operate. So if you can't manage to grab your money back and high tail it out of there you will be ghosted when you reach out to her again for that free makeup call.

But here is how I handle this situation. I don't expect to get that free call. I could post a negative review but usually all that does is get more guys to see her because most of your fellow mongers are idiots. Here is how I handle it. I reach out to her saying I want to see you again and I know a free makeup call is like an alien concept to you. But we got to make this right. I use two options here depending on my mood and both have worked every time. I know these girls always want money. So I may say to make this right how about an hr call for half the rate. They agree. Do it once more after that and you are squared away. However I usually make that new temporary rate the new norm for every hr call going forward. My other option I do is say we got to make this right. I will give you our usual rate but you got to dig up another girl for a double. They usually will find some non working friend of theirs who agrees and she probably throws the girl 20 or 40 bucks because she doesn't know better. So again, things are equal now. Of course see if you can grab that non working girls number and see her on the side at a deep discount.

There is nothing special about me. I am moderately good looking. I am not in great shape. I am not rich. But yet I get great calls almost all the time and rarely pay full rates, especially when repeating. Why? Because I know how to act around these girls. Showing up clean and trimmed and acting normal gets you in the door. After that, realizing your value in being that way leads to getting what you want, how you want it and when you want it going forward. It's really all about being firm, steady, normal and acting like a man. The point I am making is that me, and guys like me, are getting better service at a lower rate than these guys who treat these girls like they are royalty. They are not. When you treat them like they are you have already lost. They are drug addicts who need money to feed their habit. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Lance547]

I hear you my Brother. It is not easy finding a real UTR. A lot of it is dumb luck and dead reckoning. You got to catch them early and know what to look for. For me it was seeing a seemingly new girl post on backpage back in the day or STG today. The girl may only have her ad up for a week or even a day and you got to catch it. Then you got to go by gut instinct that this is a girl who needs money for her drugs or whatever but doesn't want to see 50 different guys each week. She wants in and out of this fast and come up with a handful of guys she likes or will deal with and then those are the guys she will see for months or years without ever making another post. Don't waste your time on any ad that has red flags or any that seem too good to be true.

These girls aren't quite unicorns. They are still trainwrecks. But they tend not to be totally lost in their drug habit and usually have real jobs. But they need a little extra cash to party. If you make their cut so to speak you will have a very girlfriend like UTR who has at least some attraction to you which makes for a much better call.

I share a lot of things here but you notice I never share my UTRs. Nor will I ever unless one of them says they are looking for new clients or I see them post an ad. My UTRs have literally not posted an ad in years. I see some guys here offer to trade the contact info of their UTR for someone elses. First off, I think their idea of what a UTR is different than what mine is. But, like I said, unless the girl says she is looking for more clients or posts an ad, I do not share nor would I ask someone else to share one of theirs.

I found a utr like how you described. She posted for a little bit but then shut it down because she got stalkers and was literally scared for her life so she stopped posting and I and a select few other mongers saw her for over a year at a motel and eventually her own apartment that a monger got for her.

Was only 2 Jackson's and change for full service and would often hang for 45 or an hour. She was always showered and kept her room clean. She was late 20's and hot with a bubble butt and a huge rack but small waist and she was a small woman.

It was a good deal as you didn't have to jump around from girl to girl and she was always available and would often text me almost every other day it seemed. All good things come to an end though she eventually got locked up for something unrelated and I believe she was trying to get into rehab because she had a son to take care of.