NoVA SugarBabies

[Itfcd]

She is a lot of fun. Go for it. I was seeing her for about 6 months and then I got distracted with others. Nice toned body when I was seeing her and she is kink friendly.

I saw her for free a few times. She is also on fetlife.

I got her number by talking to her on Snapchat, but she's either busy with a lot of dudes here pestering her, or she's a massive flake. I'd guess 80/20 flake.

[BDM1227]

Logistics did not work out. As a general rule, I will not send an Uber for a SB as I like to keep as much of a wall as possible between my SD identity and my real persona. Happy to pay the cash value if the SB has to Uber. Latin Girl wanted me to send an Uber. I declined and on that day, just did not want to drive to Alexandria. Haven't ruled out trying to set something up, but my current roster is pretty good.

When I send an uber for a girl I change the name in the app to her's. It at least makes her more comfortable when the app says "Drop Emily off on the right" as opposed to "Dick". I don't know if the driver's app has info that is more detailed about who is paying for the rise that she could convince him to give up with a BJ.

[Member #6951]

ProCat and Shier are absolutely right. Figure out your strengths and then play to them. Once you learn how to focus your efforts your hit rate goes way up. You learn which types won't work out for you by simple clues on their profile and pictures.

Along those same lines, figure out your types and preferences. If you're not into alt-girls, don't waste your time on them. If you like the preppy ones with a solid head and career, seek them out. It's much easier to maintain the same vibe across multi conversations.

Also figure out your kinks. Many of these girls are here in part for sexual exploration. Do your homework, know your preferences, know their expectations, and learn how to be respectful and direct.

Finally, focus on the long game. You want consistent fun, on your schedule, in a manner that is convenient for you, and at a level of investment that is sustainable. I've always been drawn to women with curves and I like women who are old enough to rent a car, and that really helps find genuine women with down to earth expectations.

I've spent much of the past year in a long term arrangement with my perfect match. We have an awesome dynamic and we slowly but surely built something meaningful and supportive and even after a year still mind blowing. I phased out most of my others for a while but kept them warm until home and work slowed down to allow for greater playing. I'm now ready to jump in and I have an insta-roster ready. Will also see what the new offerings are but I am not desperate and I can take my pitches. It's a good time.

Also, props to those recommending Blackhawk cards from Amazon. Works like a charm.

[Rudy Wellz]

Care to share some feedback?

Logistics did not work out. As a general rule, I will not send an Uber for a SB as I like to keep as much of a wall as possible between my SD identity and my real persona. Happy to pay the cash value if the SB has to Uber. Latin Girl wanted me to send an Uber. I declined and on that day, just did not want to drive to Alexandria. Haven't ruled out trying to set something up, but my current roster is pretty good.

[DickLongwood]

Wow! I have a M&G set up for tomorrow. Pictures look phenomenal. Maybe I'll "trust (your opinion), but verify myself". Good to know that she doesn't drive. I typically meet on my home turf, but perhaps I'll head down to Alexandria.

Care to share some feedback?

[Zerry]

Any tips on countering a high PPM offer without alienating the SB? I was proposed with a 650 ppm. If I knew exactly what I'm getting into, I may. But I can't justify that initially or even continuously. Do you guys have any tips on getting that number to come down?

Stay around long enough, and be persistent enough, and you'll get lucky. If a girl is talking ppm on seeking she isn't new. Which isn't good or bad. Just counter or accept or deflect.

There isn't that much game needed, just look and act like you give a shit.

Don't believe anyone about what they pay or don't pay on this forum simply because it is irrelevant. I've paid more than some guys and I've paid less than others.

[CruisingXX]

Anyone have any Intel on this one, claims to be married and wants side with husband approval, she is reaching out.

Randomly.

https://members.seeking.com/messages...b-7a5369fb58bc

[Shier]

Shier mentioned it in a prior thread. The best counter to a high ppm is what most refer to as "game. " Problem is that "game" is incredibly difficult online. Short pithy charming responses that make someone laugh can also be misread and misconstrued via text / messaging / etc.

When I get hit with a high ask that isn't completely out of the question, or even when it is, but I really want to close the deal, Ill tell the SB that it's not a number that's out of the question, but really depends on the in-person chemistry. That's when Ill propose an in person date. If she's super hot, Ill go drinks at a bar at a high end restaurant with plans for dinner. I'll usually set the reservation for about 30 minutes after the scheduled meet and then hang at the bar. When the SB comes in, I tell her to meet me at the bar and that they are getting the table ready for you. This lets you feel her out over drinks. If you're not feeling the vibe you can abort and come up with an excuse to exit stage right before dropping cash on the meal. If things are going well, the hostess will grab you and the date when the table is ready.

Solid strategy!

After that, it's just a matter of convincing the SB to go to the Fc for less than her ask. With the exception of the pure mercs, most SBs are willing to drop the panties for a lot less than their initial ask, if you're able to mimic the guy that she would've banged for free if she met him on match, tinder, or out at a bar. You'll be surprised at how many of these ladies will drop their panties after a few glasses of wine, a few laughs, a wink and a smile. Once you get into their head, then any allowance on top of the Fc session is just gravy. Make her cum hard, and you've sealed the deal for a discounted rates in the future. Minus the wine and laughs.

Based on my experience there is no foolproof "game" that works on all girls. Some girls want the party guy that will show them a good time, some want the dark silent brooding type, some want the older experienced mentor, etc etc. Find your wheelhouse and play to your strengths.

One thing that I've noticed all girls do want, which is something Shier also mentioned, is that want someone who comes across as confident. Don't confuse this with arrogance. It's a fine line but the latter will kill a date pretty quickly. Also, even a hint of desperation will also deep six your shot of lowering a high ppm ask, and might even kill the shot at getting to the Fc. This is where having a strong rotation makes getting more pussy easy. If you don't need to seal the deal because your rotation is stacked, the SB will get that sense. Plus being older and in a situation where I truly DGAF, also helps.

This is 95% of the game. Be super nice, super friendly, super fun, but don't hide it that you're willing to say "I wish you well" and walk.

I swear that most ladies have some sort of radar for measuring how much a guy wants to fuck them. When they get the sense that you're willing to walk, it makes them want you more because of the need for an ego affirmation (eg why doesn't he want to fuck me? What do I need to do to make him want me? Etc).

This is also where being relatively fit, dressing nicely etc also come into play (also mentioned recently). Based on conversations I've had with lots of these girls, there are a lot of mongers out there who have difficulty with basic hygiene, who are obese, don't take care of themselves, smell bad, are complete asshats, etc. These dudes expect SBs to drop the panties for the allowance only. Many do, but that's also why they start with the high ppms. Differentiate yourself with basic hygiene, decent clothes, a modicum of style, being height weight proportionate, slightly charming, and relatively respectful, then both pussy and lower allowance amounts shouldn't be too hard to come by. If you're relatively decent looking, then the pussy will come at an even lower price.

The one thing out of that list is that I struggle with is fitness. However I say right on my profile that I've got a "Dad Bod", so it weeds out / gives warning that they're meeting Jonah Hill not Josh Brolin, and it spares any surprises at the M&G. However I am still man-shaped, and FFS I follow some basic hygiene and style cues. These guys that are hairy and smelly and don't trim their nails or get haircuts or shave properly, or wear their velcro New Balances to the M&G. Well truthfully I LOVE those guys and hope they keep at it, as they make me look good.

[Pathfinder04]

So have read a few methods but they all share a common trend. Personnell what's worked for me is just accepting there ask get them in person. See how solid the ppm is see if she will lower it. If she seems pretty set then just go back to the hotel room and take the gamble of well I only have z, that's actually worked for me twice. Both had 1000 dollar asking got them both for 400 cause they were already there. This is only recommended if it's going to be a one time thing.

To me, there are so many girls that I am not going to waste my time negotiating with one who is charging more than I think is reasonable. I think if you do that you're going to get a subpar experience. Usually I just try to have normal conversations and vibe with the girl and the PPM conversation takes care of itself. They usually come back with something reasonable, but if they don't, you just say 'thank you, you seem really nice but I'm going to pass. ' The good ones will come back with a better offer.

[David032]

Any tips on countering a high PPM offer without alienating the SB? I was proposed with a 650 ppm. If I knew exactly what I'm getting into, I may. But I can't justify that initially or even continuously. Do you guys have any tips on getting that number to come down?

So have read a few methods but they all share a common trend. Personnell what's worked for me is just accepting there ask get them in person. See how solid the ppm is see if she will lower it. If she seems pretty set then just go back to the hotel room and take the gamble of well I only have z, that's actually worked for me twice. Both had 1000 dollar asking got them both for 400 cause they were already there. This is only recommended if it's going to be a one time thing.

[Mazvid]

Nice! Can you please share the expected ppm for her? I've tried PM'ing you and got a inbox full notification. .

Oh my bad. Just cleared the inbox. It was pretty low. The first time we met without discussing ppm. I had like 100 on me at the time and gave her that. Other times it was a bottle of wine. I think the most I ever gave her was like 200.

[FunTimeMonger]

So decided to post some of the girls I have been in contact with over the years that are still active. Some have been reviewed some haven't. So might be an update on some.

Julia.

She is a really fun date absolutely the girl in profile pictures. Though after being on her snap for a bit. Becarefuly don't burn her cause she is spiteful if hurt.

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...5-1f4b4030ca18

Serenablueeyes.

Does ask for a super high ppm can be talked down in person. Lot curvier than pictures hard to get a hold of honestly just ok she's someone who's on my list to message when everyone else fails and need to get laid.

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...1-5f40262ac2e3

Alluringcoupl.

She used to have a single profile now she's doing some weird stuff with hubby. If your polite and talk to her right she'll offer no hubby. But her asking price is GPS in the begging like 1000 k I walked away it was to much work anyone else get lucky.

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...f-8d921330a15d

Ashleyy22.

Gave me some sob story talked to her for a bit. She said wanted to go slow no ppm required till intimacy I was like sure. She no showed for Two dates so moved on anyone else get lucky with her.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...0-c614be7f622d

Crystal.

Got to text with her but her schedule seemed super busy and couldn't lock down a meet and greet. She also texts in spurts then dissappears. Anyone else have any luck with her.

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...dWlkZS5ubC8%3D

Mandy.

This girl was a complete freak anything was on the table if the mood was right. She's also clean and on BC. Like I said if she's horny she'll fuck all night.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...2-6b710e6b8338

[Dimples572]

But your inbox is full.

My bad. Should be good now.

[ProCatHunter]

But your inbox is full.

[ProCatHunter]

Any tips on countering a high PPM offer without alienating the SB? I was proposed with a 650 ppm. If I knew exactly what I'm getting into, I may. But I can't justify that initially or even continuously. Do you guys have any tips on getting that number to come down?

Shier mentioned it in a prior thread. The best counter to a high ppm is what most refer to as "game. " Problem is that "game" is incredibly difficult online. Short pithy charming responses that make someone laugh can also be misread and misconstrued via text / messaging / etc.

When I get hit with a high ask that isn't completely out of the question, or even when it is, but I really want to close the deal, Ill tell the SB that it's not a number that's out of the question, but really depends on the in-person chemistry. That's when Ill propose an in person date. If she's super hot, Ill go drinks at a bar at a high end restaurant with plans for dinner. I'll usually set the reservation for about 30 minutes after the scheduled meet and then hang at the bar. When the SB comes in, I tell her to meet me at the bar and that they are getting the table ready for you. This lets you feel her out over drinks. If you're not feeling the vibe you can abort and come up with an excuse to exit stage right before dropping cash on the meal. If things are going well, the hostess will grab you and the date when the table is ready.

After that, it's just a matter of convincing the SB to go to the Fc for less than her ask. With the exception of the pure mercs, most SBs are willing to drop the panties for a lot less than their initial ask, if you're able to mimic the guy that she would've banged for free if she met him on match, tinder, or out at a bar. You'll be surprised at how many of these ladies will drop their panties after a few glasses of wine, a few laughs, a wink and a smile. Once you get into their head, then any allowance on top of the Fc session is just gravy. Make her cum hard, and you've sealed the deal for a discounted rates in the future. Minus the wine and laughs.

Based on my experience there is no foolproof "game" that works on all girls. Some girls want the party guy that will show them a good time, some want the dark silent brooding type, some want the older experienced mentor, etc etc. Find your wheelhouse and play to your strengths.

One thing that I've noticed all girls do want, which is something Shier also mentioned, is that want someone who comes across as confident. Don't confuse this with arrogance. It's a fine line but the latter will kill a date pretty quickly. Also, even a hint of desperation will also deep six your shot of lowering a high ppm ask, and might even kill the shot at getting to the Fc. This is where having a strong rotation makes getting more pussy easy. If you don't need to seal the deal because your rotation is stacked, the SB will get that sense. Plus being older and in a situation where I truly DGAF, also helps.

I swear that most ladies have some sort of radar for measuring how much a guy wants to fuck them. When they get the sense that you're willing to walk, it makes them want you more because of the need for an ego affirmation (eg why doesn't he want to fuck me? What do I need to do to make him want me? Etc).

This is also where being relatively fit, dressing nicely etc also come into play (also mentioned recently). Based on conversations I've had with lots of these girls, there are a lot of mongers out there who have difficulty with basic hygiene, who are obese, don't take care of themselves, smell bad, are complete asshats, etc. These dudes expect SBs to drop the panties for the allowance only. Many do, but that's also why they start with the high ppms. Differentiate yourself with basic hygiene, decent clothes, a modicum of style, being height weight proportionate, slightly charming, and relatively respectful, then both pussy and lower allowance amounts shouldn't be too hard to come by. If you're relatively decent looking, then the pussy will come at an even lower price.