NoVA SugarBabies

[ProCatHunter]

Have you personally talked to any SB's who complain they can't get as much allowance as 2020/2021 anymore? We see it from the guy's side, but there's still those GPS girls asking for 1 k ppm.

Besides the one girl who negotiated herself down accidentally because she forgot the convo, not sure if you've seen it elsewhere from the girl's side.

Girls aren't complaining to me but I've noticed a few things:

1. Profiles that wouldn't have given me the time of day in 2021 are responding. I take that as a signal that inboxes are getting less full.

2. In 2021/2020, I couldn't open with a "My prior sugar arrangement started with a $300/300 ppm" line when messaging ladies. I'd get immediately blocked or left on read. I'm regularly receiving responses that counter now. It's a sure sign that either more ladies are entering the bowl, or there are fewer SDs, or likely a combination of both.

3. More than a few profiles that I had favorited a few years back but had disappeared because they were deactivated popped back up again. Likely because their former SDs dropped them, or because the ladies are looking for additional funds, or a combination of both.

No doubt there are lots of girls still asking for $1 k+ ppm. Based on my experience, there always were and likely always will be. I'm finding that they are starting to become more of an outlier, when about a year or two back, they were starting to be the norm. Now, I'll occasionally find a ppm in the $200/250 range. Again, very much not the norm, but that amount of allowance would've earned me a block in January 2021.

The sugar bowl is watching pure capitalism work at its best. The law of supply and demand regulates better than anything else.

[InsideBeltway]

I was paying 400/500 last year in DC. I'm no Tom ford model who has girls spread their legs for me for free. It's just the market is different now. Normal guys with eff you money aren't around anymore. There were normal dudes dropping $1 k for a ppm date.

There aren't enough Guys like you making $500 k + a year in the area to suppport all these girls anymore. When recession and layoffs hit, and they are coming, deflation is going to be coming to the sugar bowl.

ProCatHunter. I always appreciate your perspective, it has been useful to help me learn the ebb and flow of the sugar bowl!

All. In the past couple of months, I've seen a new trend in which in the initial chat with prospective SBs they through out $200-$400 PPM or per week allowances. Then in the end game they move to "I need the allowance up front" to meet you. I've learned how to flush this out more quickly in recent weeks. I'm curious to hear if anyone else has seen this.

[Mcsylv]

Like I said a few months ago, now that COVID is no longer a thing, interest rates are higher, and the Bitcoin bros / nft traders / stonk apes are broke, prices are down. The administration kicked mongers in the nuts by rolling over student loan deferment further into the future and giving a $10 k freebie to all students making under $125 k, but with labor force participation being in the toilet, things have got to change after the midterm elections.

Real world inflation is here, and the administration needs to do something to fix it. Just like I said that things would start to get better in the bowl by 5/2021, my new prediction is that deflation will hit the sugar bowl hard in 2023/2024. Simple law of supply and demand. Layoffs are coming and too many companies overhired at salaries that aren't sustainable. With fed funds rates pushing 4%, the economy is going to get kicked in the nuts.

SDs who have the means to play in the bow next year are likely going to be crushing it.

Have you personally talked to any SB's who complain they can't get as much allowance as 2020/2021 anymore? We see it from the guy's side, but there's still those GPS girls asking for 1 k ppm.

Besides the one girl who negotiated herself down accidentally because she forgot the convo, not sure if you've seen it elsewhere from the girl's side.

[David032]

Your inbox is full but I am interested. Shoot me the details.

Open now go ahead and dn.

[DcGuy246]

So I have a thicker Sb lol ok she's chubby but she's a freak in the bedroom who is interested in having a DP maybe a gangbang train. the good news is it won't cost you anything. Message me if interested. I can provide pictures and we can go from there.

Your inbox is full but I am interested. Shoot me the details.

[ProCatHunter]

Is rampant in all the big cities. Once the Fed raises interest rates and student loan payments get turned back on, there is likely to be a big influx of SBs, and a big outflow of Bitcoin bro, stonk apes, and NTF traders from the bowl.

Numbers for SBs have been down significantly since they can live at home with their parents and don't need to pay back loans. The numbers for young Guys who have no concept of money will also drop considerably once they realize that their aren't baby buffets but rather they have been drinking from the trough of massive central bank liquidity.

I'm thinking that May 2022 we'll start to see significant numbers of SBs come back to the bowl (plus weather will be nicer and seasonal COVID fears reduced). Good happy hunting until then.

Like I said a few months ago, now that COVID is no longer a thing, interest rates are higher, and the Bitcoin bros / nft traders / stonk apes are broke, prices are down. The administration kicked mongers in the nuts by rolling over student loan deferment further into the future and giving a $10 k freebie to all students making under $125 k, but with labor force participation being in the toilet, things have got to change after the midterm elections.

Real world inflation is here, and the administration needs to do something to fix it. Just like I said that things would start to get better in the bowl by 5/2021, my new prediction is that deflation will hit the sugar bowl hard in 2023/2024. Simple law of supply and demand. Layoffs are coming and too many companies overhired at salaries that aren't sustainable. With fed funds rates pushing 4%, the economy is going to get kicked in the nuts.

SDs who have the means to play in the bow next year are likely going to be crushing it.

[ProCatHunter]

I'm guessing most of us have to. The only people who have talked about getting girls at the $300 range are you, Dimples, and TomFord. Maybe a couple others that implied they have a large and cheap rotation without mentioning specific numbers. I always start negotiations with every girl at $300. Only one of them since October has accepted, and I haven't even met her yet to confirm how hot she is / slutty she is in bed. Everyone else has negotiated up to 400 or 500, sometimes more. The worst ones laugh and tell me they're not ******, they're used to high class arrangements, etc etc GPS.

I was paying 400/500 last year in DC. I'm no Tom ford model who has girls spread their legs for me for free. It's just the market is different now. Normal guys with eff you money aren't around anymore. There were normal dudes dropping $1 k for a ppm date.

There aren't enough Guys like you making $500 k + a year in the area to suppport all these girls anymore. When recession and layoffs hit, and they are coming, deflation is going to be coming to the sugar bowl.

[Mcsylv]

Bitcoin bros were throwing money at girls like it was water. No longer. Allowances are back to 300/350. Even in DC.

I had been providing a 400/500 ppm allowance in DC and nova last year for the super hot ones. Going rate in bmore has always been 300/350. I've done 400 in bmore for a teenage coed smoke show who offered all access uncovered.

A few months back I had a girl in DC negotiate against herself down from 400 to 300 when I missed her text and don't respond soon enough to her.

If you're offering an allowance of over $400 these days after the recent market corrections, than no disrespect to you, but it's probably because you have to.

If you go through my post history, you'll see that I too was bitching about the inflated allowance requests last year. No doubt that there are plenty of ladies out there who have gps and are still asking for allowances way above what the market will bear.

This post is a friendly reminder that the guys who can now offer those amounts are much fewer and far between. Again, no hate to the guys dropping that kind of Cash, but if you still are, chances are that it's because you have to.

I'm guessing most of us have to. The only people who have talked about getting girls at the $300 range are you, Dimples, and TomFord. Maybe a couple others that implied they have a large and cheap rotation without mentioning specific numbers. I always start negotiations with every girl at $300. Only one of them since October has accepted, and I haven't even met her yet to confirm how hot she is / slutty she is in bed. Everyone else has negotiated up to 400 or 500, sometimes more. The worst ones laugh and tell me they're not ******, they're used to high class arrangements, etc etc GPS.

[David032]

So I have a thicker Sb lol ok she's chubby but she's a freak in the bedroom who is interested in having a DP maybe a gangbang train. the good news is it won't cost you anything. Message me if interested. I can provide pictures and we can go from there.

[ProCatHunter]

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...0-b4de7db8cfdb

Met her a little while back. Low rate, submissive, dead fish in bed. Everything was covered. M&g I had to do all the talking. Fc session on the same night at the m&g, and I had to do all the work. Thought it was because she was too drunk, but the second and third times were the same. Thankfully her allowance request was only $250 ppm.

Clearly newer to the game, which is obvious when you m&g her.

Best of luck gents. Probably a good sb for a newbie who wants a quick lay without a big pricetag.

If you're not a trusted senior who I've interacted with before, don't bother filling up my inbox with a PM. No, I will not give you her contact info.

Happy hunting gents.

[ProCatHunter]

Bitcoin bros were throwing money at girls like it was water. No longer. Allowances are back to 300/350. Even in DC.

I had been providing a 400/500 ppm allowance in DC and nova last year for the super hot ones. Going rate in bmore has always been 300/350. I've done 400 in bmore for a teenage coed smoke show who offered all access uncovered.

A few months back I had a girl in DC negotiate against herself down from 400 to 300 when I missed her text and don't respond soon enough to her.

If you're offering an allowance of over $400 these days after the recent market corrections, than no disrespect to you, but it's probably because you have to.

If you go through my post history, you'll see that I too was bitching about the inflated allowance requests last year. No doubt that there are plenty of ladies out there who have gps and are still asking for allowances way above what the market will bear.

This post is a friendly reminder that the guys who can now offer those amounts are much fewer and far between. Again, no hate to the guys dropping that kind of Cash, but if you still are, chances are that it's because you have to.

I first joined Seeking in 2019. Back then it was like shooting fish in a barrel. I had a stable of 19-23 year old, fit, mostly white 7-8's that I donated anywhere from 80-150 each meet (unheard of these days, I know). A few I'd drop 80 just for them to swing by and blow me every week or two, others I'd be blowing their backs out on the regular for 100-120. Only one got me for 150 and since I was thinking with my little head I went for it.

I recently decided to test the waters again. I reached out to one that I previously had paid 120 for a couple of hours for a decent enough time: she took back shots like a champ and swallowed a couple of loads. I threw 200 as an offer, she came back with 500 as her going rate these days. Idk who is paying these girls this, but that is outrageous, especially for a 7. I blame the countless tiktok "tutorials" and other nonsense they are reading online pumping their heads up.

[Mcsylv]

For someone that says they never send money up front, you sent at least $350 to her without so much as touching a nipple.

And to be honest, the whole swinging by the hotel to buy her and the kids supplies sounds noble at first, but why would she want a stranger that she really doesn't even want to fuck (c'Mon.! They don't or rarely do it for your personality!) possibly around her kids? That is a bit creepy.

She's in no way Legit. She's just an advanced scammer. I have a former SB that pulled the same crap on me. Was out of town. Gave me a sob story about her bad situation. Let me play the fatherly figure and give her advice, and didn't ask for cash but said she'd find a way to soldier through it. I sent her like $50. Then I caught on. She tried several variations afterwards but I didn't cave.

Also I see how you might have been taken in by the video / pic of the cats outside, but this is the Tik Tok generation. It's nothing for people to have props and footage ready to go. They do it for imaginary likes online, they'll do it for money.

I really don't mean to slam you or anything, but this reeked from early on.

It happens to most of us here and there, even if we're normally vigilant. Chalk it up to the game.

The new formula is *spot nice guy / sucker + sob story minus asking for cash + letting your good nature / suckerdom and little head do the work = cash money*.

Yea it's the first time I've had the advanced scam played. Every previous time it's just "I need X for the babysitter" which I block. Video chatting me and then scamming is also a first for me, usually they act like I'm lucky to even be talking to them, I should give them $100 just for their time texting, etc etc.

Sucks because actual legit SB's in bad situations are going to get caught in the crossfire. Next time a single mom really is about to get kicked out of her apartment for missing rent when we start talking on SA, she'll tell me the story and I'll have to be like "that's too bad, hope you figure it out, if you want to meet lmk".

Same thing with money up front, if I was a legit girl on SA getting messaged by 100 guys, maybe 20 legits and 80 scammers, one of the few ways I could easily weed out people who aren't trying to score freebies would be to ask for money up front, and then follow through on an arrangement with the dude who ponies up. Too bad scammers ruined it so legit girls can never use that method to select who they should be talking to and setting up meetings with.

[CuriousVaMan]

https://members.seeking.com/member/3...9-4b88143c8098

Scammer.

I don't have the link as I blocked her. Have screenshots attached.

Scammers are getting fucking bold. She wanted me to put a down payment on meeting here, right then and there during our text convo. Did an image search and found the pic all over the web.

Played it out a little longer when she asks me so what are your plans? I respond I plan to not pay an obvious scammer and that they need to get better at this or find a square gig.

And yeah I know, it's an adjective-noun name, but them tits had me in their gravitational pull! LOL!

[BobDingle10]

Scammer.

I don't have the link as I blocked her. Have screenshots attached.

Scammers are getting fucking bold. She wanted me to put a down payment on meeting here, right then and there during our text convo. Did an image search and found the pic all over the web.

Played it out a little longer when she asks me so what are your plans? I respond I plan to not pay an obvious scammer and that they need to get better at this or find a square gig.

And yeah I know, it's an adjective-noun name, but them tits had me in their gravitational pull! LOL!

[BobDingle10]

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...7-5eec4287b916

Summary: either a scammer, or just too plain crazy and in a ridiculous situation, arrangement would never work.

Long Story:

Hit her up, responded pretty well on SA. Moved to text after a couple chats back and forth, totally normal. I asked her for a verification photo holding up 3 fingers, and she asks for a video call instead. We do a Snapchat video call, she's real and not a catfish. Said she was in a hotel, no money left and nowhere to go with her and her 2 kids, a dog, and 2 cats. However, she did not ask for money. She specifically said she'll try and figure it out, it should only be temporary until she can get back to work, then we can meet up because she'll be able to hire a babysitter.

I wanted to meet sooner, and I felt bad since she was a real girl in hard times, and she didn't seem like a scammer since nowhere did she ever ask for cash. I tell her I usually don't send money before meeting, and she said she can def relate, she hears there's tons of people scamming online and she understands I have to protect myself.

At this point, I thought I could trust her. I asked her how much it was to extend for another day, and she tells me $138. I make plans with her to meet the next day I ask her what she's comfortable with, and she mentions no anal, nothing with BDSM or pain, and we have to use protection. I tell her condoms are a deal breaker since I can't cum with one on, I have tests from less than a week ago to show her. She says "Okay, since you're trusting me by sending money, I'll trust you when we meet up. ".

We talk about the allowance, settle on 400 PPM. She also asks for money to book a baby sitter, said she has 2 kids and it's $25/ hr / kid, so $50/ hr. I tell her she can pay when she picks the kids up, I'll give her money in person, but she says it's some sort of online service where you have to book in advance. In hindsight, I should've questioned this, but because she seemed so reasonable on the call up to then, I didn't demand to see a receipt or screenshot or anything. I send her $150 for 3 hours. We then make plans to meet up at 7 AM because I had to be somewhere in PA by noon. We'd get breakfast and hook up. I told her I'd text her at 6 AM since she's an hour away from me, I want her to confirm before I head out. I remind her to set her alarm and charge her phone.

6 AM the next morning rolls around, she doesn't respond to my texts. 11 AM, when her checkout time is, and she sudden responds mortified that she slept through 3 alarms, and didn't wake up until the front desk was banging on her door for 5 min cause they needed her to leave. I tell her "what do you want me to say" and she gives me a sort of sorry, sort of mad response that she only slept 3 hours due to her kid waking up, she didn't sleep for 2 days before because she's stressed about her situation, sorry she's a single mom and trying her best, etc.

I hit her up at 4 PM after I finished running my 12 PM errand, and tell her if she can find a way to meet up, I can still take care of her. She says she can't, nobody to watch the kids. I ask her where she's currently at, she says in the parking lot of the hotel, and sends me a pic of her cats in a crate in what looks to be an asphalt parking lot. I ask her what she's going to do, and she tells me she really doesn't know, she's so scared and stressed. Still doesn't ask me for more money. At this point, I believe her story about over sleeping, she had been yawning all throughout the previous video call and mentioned she hasn't slept before I even gave her any money. I tell her I'm going to send her money for 1 more night, but I want her to call me so we can talk about what her options are to make this work, and I send her $200.

At this point, I'm driving home from my errand, but I decide to take a wide detour and swing by the hotel she's at in Annapolis. I was going to check on her and talk to her in person, buy some food for her and her kids, and tell her this is the last time I can help until she can figure something out. During my drive, she's using the $200 to check back in and move her stuff back into her room. About 30 min later, she tells me they refused to honor last night's rate, it's now $260. And she says her phone is at 4%, which implies her phone is going to die so I need to send her money now.

Around this time, I'm right around the corner from where she's supposed to be. I am getting bad feelings, it's starting to be fishy. I drive up to the parking lot 2 minutes after she said her phone is at 4%, and ask her where she's at, in the lobby or still outside in the lot. She says outside still, in the parking garage with her kids, pets, and all her stuff. I ask her to confirm her address, and she does. I tell her I'm in the parking lot, I don't see her. I know she's been scamming me the whole time now.

This is when she explodes. Starts ALL CAPS yelling at me in text about how I'm a creep and a stalker, why would she ever give her real address to some man on the internet. Gaslights about how I'm a weirdo, etc. I tell her thanks for reminding me never to trust people online, and block her.

I really thought I was wise to the scams, but she got past my defenses. First, she video chatted and was super agreeable and reasonable on the call, not like normal cash-first scammers that demand it like you owe them. She also never asked for money once during either of the times she said she was in trouble. She even volunteered that she would figure it out herself, and it would be solved and we'd be able to meet up for a normal arrangement. It was only when I was driving to her that she started putting pressure for more cash and implying it had to be quick since her phone was dying.

Still could be that she's legit, just a crazy ***** who is now homeless. IDK, blocked her on everything.

For someone that says they never send money up front, you sent at least $350 to her without so much as touching a nipple.

And to be honest, the whole swinging by the hotel to buy her and the kids supplies sounds noble at first, but why would she want a stranger that she really doesn't even want to fuck (c'Mon.! They don't or rarely do it for your personality!) possibly around her kids? That is a bit creepy.

She's in no way Legit. She's just an advanced scammer. I have a former SB that pulled the same crap on me. Was out of town. Gave me a sob story about her bad situation. Let me play the fatherly figure and give her advice, and didn't ask for cash but said she'd find a way to soldier through it. I sent her like $50. Then I caught on. She tried several variations afterwards but I didn't cave.

Also I see how you might have been taken in by the video / pic of the cats outside, but this is the Tik Tok generation. It's nothing for people to have props and footage ready to go. They do it for imaginary likes online, they'll do it for money.

I really don't mean to slam you or anything, but this reeked from early on.

It happens to most of us here and there, even if we're normally vigilant. Chalk it up to the game.

The new formula is *spot nice guy / sucker + sob story minus asking for cash + letting your good nature / suckerdom and little head do the work = cash money*.