Bullshit that has Nothing to do With Pussy

[ShuperShtar]

Sure in some parlors that is how it goes down. But the more FS focused parlors might skip the massage entirely or do a lame 5 minute back rub. Usually the door is locked and they won't answer for women / couples or they will tell them they are super busy and don't have staff for them.

I do agree with you on some points but 216's post history is first calling hkpd out as unsafe which was followed by a bust. Why would a apt snitch on themselves and try to ruin their own business? I guess 216 could be a apt / spa owner that is not one of these 5 or so overhyped apt / spas by OOne certain promoter.

[ApplePiePussy]

At ApplePiePussy.

Well a few counter points. If you look at his post history he first started warning us about feds parked outside HKPD and that was the first apartment to get raided also. I guess we will see if he is right about everywhere being closed in 8 days or so.

The girls prefer to work in spas because the price is much higher. For example from the 130 paid at a apartment the girl receives 80 but at a spa the massage fee goes to the owner and the tip goes to the masseuse and you can see the tips are usually much higher to the point they are getting paid double nearly.

There was no evidence of federal involvement in any of the three apartment busts. If the feds were involved, all three would have been shut permanently. It was and has always been the sheriff's department and CPD. Everything he has stated as fact has turned out over time to be false. But this is the most important part. These forums are public. They're read by all types of LEO. Do you honestly believe that some local LEO who was supposedly leaking warnings of upcoming busts to some monger from Ohio would continue to do so knowing that this monger is blasting it all over the internet and compromising theoretical federal investigations? It's absolutely absurd to think that this guy has a LEO connection who doesn't adhere to any type of OPSEC and is jeopardizing their career and the careers of others and possibly facing charges if they get caught.

The jig is up. While all of these places use some form of deception and shittiness to run their business, this move by HKPD is going too far. Based on this, I would never visit them again. And I used them on and off for about 6 years when it was Amy running the show.

As for the girls preferring parlors, that is false. FS girls hate working parlors in Chicago. There are several reasons for this. First and foremost, parlors are public facing. You will get people, including women, coming in for legit massages. Now the girl who is looking to make quick monger cash is having to rub fat Betty for an hour only to receive a 5 dollar tip. Then there's the HJ monger who doesn't know the place is an FS place and demands 55 minutes of massage time just to give a 40 dollar AARP special. While the girls attempt to compensate for this by overcharging for BBBJ and FS, it is impossible for them to match the earnings potential of the apartments where the girls can pump out anywhere from 3 to 6 clients in an hour. Some guys are in and out in less than 10 minutes.

Giving actual massages is exhausting work. And you have to understand that these girls who come here from NYC and LA either charge 240/340 or 300/500 back home which is the standard fare out there. The reason they come here is because there is far too many places and too much competition back home, so a lot of times they are only getting a couple customers a day. These girls hate the Chicago pricing and pay cut but the only reason they come is because they can assembly line mongers into a 20 k rotation payday.

Finally, there is a major risk to working in a parlor. LEO has a hypocritical stance on these FS girls. If they get caught in a parlor, they're arrested, fingerprinted, and their mugshot is posted online, all of which can be detrimental to their immigration status. In an apartment, they are treated as victims and catered to.

[ShuperShtar]

At ApplePiePussy.

Well a few counter points. If you look at his post history he first started warning us about feds parked outside HKPD and that was the first apartment to get raided also. I guess we will see if he is right about everywhere being closed in 8 days or so.

The girls prefer to work in spas because the price is much higher. For example from the 130 paid at a apartment the girl receives 80 but at a spa the massage fee goes to the owner and the tip goes to the masseuse and you can see the tips are usually much higher to the point they are getting paid double nearly.

[GeneralObvious]

Hi,

It's a long weekend.

How about we stop reminiscing about sex workers from 20 years ago or get off the soap box and do some actual reporting for this Forum?

Dash

Mongers are only chatting about a handful of spas, and escorts lately. They don't seem to be interested in much else. I, for one, never follow the crowd. There are better times to be had elsewhere. Why tell them much? They won't listen. Haha.

[ApplePiePussy]

You say suspicious I say Factual what have I not told you that didn't happen?

Listen to what I'm saying nothing hasn't happened. HKPD is the informant because RL and SS tried to tell on them and then HKPD flipped the table and won the battle -.

Watch your News Sources Indictments are coming Family Promise You On That.

Sure I'll be glad to chronicle the things you have been wrong about. But before I get into that, I'm going to discuss how these apartments operate, their huge expenses, and why one of them would appreciate someone like yourself.

It's interesting because when you walk into one of these apartments and you see four mongers laid out on the couches waiting for their turn to slip it into traveling Lulu, you might think to yourself, boy, this place is making a killing. But that's not necessarily the case. In fact, it's significantly more expensive to run an apartment than it is to run a parlor. And this is why 2 out of the 3 major apartment syndicates also have a parlor. It's why BHC opened a second parlor location and not an apartment. Apartments are expensive. The overhead is sizable and the clientele is fickle. It's a constant chore to keep mongers coming in the door.

First and foremost, there's the rent. There's no point in buying a place if you are going to have to move every so often due to LEO, neighbor complaints, or the place becoming run down due to a prolonged stampede of semen. Chinatown of 2022 is not the Chinatown of the 1980's. Rents are high and landlords are making a killing. A decent two bedroom two bath will run you north of 2 grand easy.

Then there's the door guy. Door guys are not cheap. And that's because the job is not easy. You are the primary target of law enforcement because you are the link between the money and the owners. You have to work ridiculously long hours. You have to deal with a wide variety of bitchy personalities and lunatic mongers. And at some point, you will likely have a glock pointed at your head. Not to mention cooking and cleaning. This is why most door men only last a year or so. It's just not a job most people can handle long term. A decent door guy will run you anywhere from 3 to 4 K a month.

Ok so rent, door guy, maybe a few hundred in water bills. That's not so bad. Sure, but then someone has to handle the hundreds upon hundreds of text messages everyday. You think Vivi is going to do that? You think Lulu is scheduling her next penis? Try again. Nobody you are communicating with by text message is located in the US. They are all in China. There's a number of reasons for this, primarily safety, but also wages. Every single monger gets assigned to a freelance booker who gets paid a commission on each and every porking. It adds up and it adds up quickly.

Alright, so you got your rent, your utilities, door guy, and bookers, time to rake it in, right? Not exactly. Nobody knows about you yet. You can't exactly put up LED signs and inflatable tube men. You need to pay the myriad of escort sites for ads. And those aren't cheap. What's worse, they seem to change every few months and there's no clear dominant site since BP went down. So a lot of the money you spend has a very low ROI. It's a crapshoot. RL floods these sites and it seems to work for them. But the reality is that RL had a huge clientele base long before their current location. They've been operating for over 10 years but what set them apart was that for an 18 month period, when they were at the house on western, they had a never ending stream of grade A Chinese girls from NYC who were dealing with numerous prolonged Covid shutdowns at their respective parlors. They came here to make some quick cash and combined with a really decent and clean house and a studious door guy, they had what I consider the pinnacle of the Chicago apartment scene. It's a shame how far they've fallen. But I digress. Advertising is the one expense that can make all the other expenses irrelevant. If you can't get people to show up, it doesn't matter what kind of place you have or how hot the girls are.

But it's more complicated than just getting your name out there. The girls rotate every ten days, so you have to constantly create buzz around them. You would think with a population of around 11 mil in the Chicagoland area, that all these places would see enough business to make them all happy. But as it's been explained to me by numerous operators, that's not necessarily the case. A single glowing positive review and subsequent follow up reviews can shift the daily client load by as much as 60 percent! That's insane. And I wouldn't believe it unless I saw it with my own eyes.

Do you guys remember Coco? The big titted girl from LA who visited RL a few times? The first time she was here, Charlie left a glowing review of her. This is probably 2018 or 19. The review was posted on a Monday. I was there on Wednesday morning and there wasn't even a place to sit in the lobby let alone an established time where I could fuck her. I left because there was no way in hell I was going to wait a few hours. I ended up seeing her later on and yes, she was worth it. I've never seen another pair of Chinese titties that could hold a candle to hers. It's just that simple.

Because of this review phenomenon and because the cost of a review is next to nothing, you are seeing a flood of them both on this site and a few others. They're in this thread and the massage thread. And there's even different grades of them. The lowest grade are the ones from essentially brand new accounts with poor English. These are the most common but have long ago lost their effectiveness due to spamming and lack of credibility. These reviews primarily come from the owners themselves or friends of theirs.

Then there's the reviews from mongers who are being given discounts, primarily a reduced or eliminated door fee. I mean if you can pay 160 instead of 260 to have your ass rimmed, and all you have to do is write your own version of a penthouse letter, then why not right? I mean integrity is not important to everyone. Remember that, because that's one of the most important lessons in life. Just about everyone has a price. And this price, compared to the numerous ad sites, is something these owners will gladly pay. We're talking a couple hundred dollars to generate tens of thousands in business.

But even those lose their effectiveness over time. I mean if the girl doesn't live up to the hype then eventually you will lose your credibility. On top of that, the girls rotate every 10 days. So one glowing review will only net you a potential 10 days of business. Then you have to start over again.

So what if there was a way to create a longer term influx of business? What if there was a way to do this without needing to constantly spam reviews? What if you could create a psychological edge based on fear? Then it wouldn't matter if you had butter faces and beer bellies. After all, most mongers have families and reputations. Nobody wants to deal with getting booked and a potential court case. Because on the very day that happens, many mongers will lose half their wealth.

What if there was a location that was protected? That you didn't have to worry about. It's certainly a nice idea. But it's also BS.

First and foremost, unless they catch you in the act, there is zero evidence that will hold up in court. They don't have access to those initial texts of you asking to see the girls butthole before you even showed up. They don't have access to you negotiating with the girl for a sex act, primarily because most times there's not even a negotiation period, and because there's no microphones. As a matter of fact, you will not find a Chicago Chinese apartment bust where mongers faced charges. This recent video of the bust which took place in June is a perfect example of that. The reporters even admit as much! They said they saw a monger literally walk in and walk out in the middle of the bust and nothing happened to them! And as for the guy who was pulled over driving away. They had nothing on him but intimidation. And they let him go after he admitted what he did and told them the process. So please spare us with these 107 looming busts.

But let's get down to the nitty gritty because I promised I would chronicle the things you were wrong about.

A) Your first mentions of a looming RL bust were last August. The bust in the video happened this June. The cop in the video even admitted to the reporter that they've been investigating the place for 2 and half weeks. You also speak nonstop of fed involvement but it's obvious from the video that this is Tom Dart and the sheriffs along with CPD as it has always been.

B) You said RL would be busted 1 more time by August 30th and would get an orange sticker. That has not materialized.

C) You said 819 would be busted by August 15th. I like 819. I've been going there for 10 years on and off. That has not materialized either.

D) Feds. Always the feds right? You said the Ohio bust involved the Feds. It has been determined that that is a lie. According to this article, it was local law enforcement from neighboring counties.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...an/6008063001/

E) You said people were busted up to 9 months later yet the very same article says it was a week's long sting.

F) But the biggest whopper of all is this idea that HKPD is being run by the feds and allowed to operate in exchange for cooperation in bringing down the other two syndicates. This is so completely incongruent from the way law enforcement of any kind operates that it's kind of funny that you chose this to base your fraud around. Hey, I mean I'm sure it was working for a while. That's why you said a few posts ago that your work here was done and that you were going away permanently.

G) Only you're back now. And this is most likely means that a temporary increase in business has now evaporated because you were previously called out and people realized it for the fraud it was. And so little HKPD door guy came a knocking and said if you want that continued discounted putang, you got to put in some more work.

The problem is that this forum is supposed to be for actual reviews done by non compromised individuals. It's hard enough to find good intel in this city for the limited talent we have. We don't need fantasy stories to subsidize the hobby for indigent mongers. If you want to write fantasy, by all means there are better places than here. And if you need a job to support your hobby, apparently there's 10 million available.

[FuckIt216]

So on the one hand you say you are aware of over a hundred federal charges coming down on these apartments and mongers. And on the other, you say oh but HKPD is safe. Please go there and spend your money. They would never mess with those clients.

That's an interesting dichotomy. Certainly not suspicious at all.

You say suspicious I say Factual what have I not told you that didn't happen?

Listen to what I'm saying nothing hasn't happened. HKPD is the informant because RL and SS tried to tell on them and then HKPD flipped the table and won the battle -.

Watch your News Sources Indictments are coming Family Promise You On That.

[ApplePiePussy]

If you didn't get stopped you should be cool and HKPD is the Feds main informant so they won't mess with their clients I posted this over a month ago but be safe coming and going.

So on the one hand you say you are aware of over a hundred federal charges coming down on these apartments and mongers. And on the other, you say oh but HKPD is safe. Please go there and spend your money. They would never mess with those clients.

That's an interesting dichotomy. Certainly not suspicious at all.

[Ron M]

Hi,

It's a long weekend.

How about we stop reminiscing about sex workers from 20 years ago or get off the soap box and do some actual reporting for this Forum?

Dash

20 years ago escorts were more client oriented than today. These days escorts are scammers and rip offs.

[MwmChicago]

Google any state and sex trafficking you will see a recent bust even Downers Grove.

I know local pigs do busts in DG, especially at the Red Roof on Butterfield. My question is regarding the feds not local busts.

I assume I'm ok since I always Uber there and always pay cash and never discussed the acts with handler just time. So unless they have video in there they can't prove shit on me.

Think I'll stick with my bigger young armature black girl for outcall BBJ's for weed which I pay $70 for. It can take me up to 25-30 minutes to cum even from an incredible BBBJ. And I already asked and she is not interested in meeting other, just wants free weed every week.

[FuckIt216]

Is this just for Chicago and Cook County. I regularly visit a place in Downers Grove, just wondered it I should expect a problem.

Google any state and sex trafficking you will see a recent bust even Downers Grove.

[FuckIt216]

Since these places use video security, how likely are the feds to pull that info to I'd mongers?

That is what they did in Ohio and Vegas and they sent tickets, warning letters and even some police to peoples homes the letter is the worst because it will have the law enforcement agency as the return address so if you have a wife at home your hit LOL.

In Ohio out of the 150 they identified 72 off video the agency had snapping plate numbers because most park right out front.

[Devlin]

Hi,

It's a long weekend.

How about we stop reminiscing about sex workers from 20 years ago or get off the soap box and do some actual reporting for this Forum?

Dash

[MwmChicago]

I witnessed first hand how the Ohio Raids and Indictments went down and it is Text Book to this here. City was baffled why no charges even the Cleveland Mayor spoke out about it and then boom the Federal Indictments over 100 mongers and about 40 girls and location owners. Nothing I ever told you guys was false but what I'm hearing is about 107 total indictments are coming on a Federal Level in Chicago with these apartments by end of the year. The Feds never tell the state what they are doing on the law office for the city but I expect a few of the top Mongers on this forum to be knocked also there was a member stirring the pot on here Burton73 as you can see he is no longer around the Feds had him squashed from posting cause he is an inside guy who is dating one of the apt location owners.

Stay tuned about to be a real shit show here like it was in Ohio. With the Ohio case they were literally snagging people from their jobs shit was crazy.

Is this just for Chicago and Cook County. I regularly visit a place in Downers Grove, just wondered it I should expect a problem.

[CedarFalls92]

Since these places use video security, how likely are the feds to pull that info to I'd mongers?

[Coopertars]

I witnessed first hand how the Ohio Raids and Indictments went down and it is Text Book to this here. City was baffled why no charges even the Cleveland Mayor spoke out about it and then boom the Federal Indictments over 100 mongers and about 40 girls and location owners. Nothing I ever told you guys was false but what I'm hearing is about 107 total indictments are coming on a Federal Level in Chicago with these apartments by end of the year. The Feds never tell the state what they are doing on the law office for the city but I expect a few of the top Mongers on this forum to be knocked also there was a member stirring the pot on here Burton73 as you can see he is no longer around the Feds had him squashed from posting cause he is an inside guy who is dating one of the apt location owners.

Stay tuned about to be a real shit show here like it was in Ohio. With the Ohio case they were literally snagging people from their jobs shit was crazy.

Even though you say this is being handled by the feds, some interesting stats from the video based on city / county records:

"CAASE has trafficked prostitution-related arrests over time, and one study found that in 2017, 90.9 percent of arrests by Chicago police were for “selling” offenses — in other words, women.

Only 8.2 percent of arrests by Chicago police were for purchase or solicitation, while 0.5 percent were for other related offenses."

Assuming 107 indictments on a federal level and even if we say a generous 15% of those are filed against mongers purchasing or soliciting, 16 mongers potentially in trouble. I hope this puts peoples minds at ease about whether they will be busted or not. I would like to remind everyone to follow some of the best practice tips we've all been using here; IE. Read the forum for intel, park further away from the spots and scan the area first, use burner / hobby numbers; don't pay up front and don't pay deposits and only use cash.