NoVA SugarBabies

[NeedXtra]

At a glance, Pretty sure I saw this girl back in like 2017-18 ish fresh out of HS. Frankly she was a bit of a pain in the ass and a crappy communicator but I looked at it as playing the long game. At the time she had a bit of GPS and really thought she was getting into some. Kind of lifestyle of high rollers. Body was okay as was face. Pretty much what you see in the profile pic, plus five years. At the time she wanted 5, everything covered. If she sends you some pics. DM me and I can confirm if it's her and see what else I can remember.

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A member on this forum has informed me that his experience wasn't that good and avoid if I had other options.

Will punt this one. Thanks for your feedback.

[Cruisin1011]

Wife is pushing for family sharing. Tips? I've hidden apps and I believe I also need to disable tracking. Anything else?

The alternative is old phone with your old I'd and create an entire new I'd on a new phone for family share. Spin a story about a new needing a new one because of compromise to the old account and live with two different apple ids. A lot of work and you got to be diligent.

Also side note for new guys keep an entire different persona Avon a different phone and never download the apps for seeking or such websites. Always use the web log in. Or don't. But it works for me.

[Mandane]

Very accommodating in broken English chatting. Cash app or PayPal only. Won't consider getting paid in cash. Typical scammer.

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...d-a498b620f754

[DoctorDoctor]

My expertise is not in computer security, so take this with a grain of salt:

-First of all, just don't do it. Say no, drag your feet, sabotage, tell her you are paranoid of being tracked, etc.

-Keep all of your activities on your own laptop that you take to work everyday (assuming you don't work from home) and always use private browsing mode for Seeking website.

-Gmail addy and voice number for communications / texting. Again, always in private browsing mode.

Search the Richmond board. There was a long discussion around Operational Security recently from people who seem reasonably intelligent.

Apple update shared information across platforms. Short story, am now divorced.

[DCKing]

Anybody seen her? She's anxious to meet quickly.

https://members.seeking.com/member/a...4-6c12fb02fcf7

[Rudy Wellz]

Wife is pushing for family sharing. Tips? I've hidden apps and I believe I also need to disable tracking. Anything else?

My expertise is not in computer security, so take this with a grain of salt:

-First of all, just don't do it. Say no, drag your feet, sabotage, tell her you are paranoid of being tracked, etc.

-Keep all of your activities on your own laptop that you take to work everyday (assuming you don't work from home) and always use private browsing mode for Seeking website.

-Gmail addy and voice number for communications / texting. Again, always in private browsing mode.

Search the Richmond board. There was a long discussion around Operational Security recently from people who seem reasonably intelligent.

[Stm001]

At a glance, Pretty sure I saw this girl back in like 2017-18 ish fresh out of HS. Frankly she was a bit of a pain in the ass and a crappy communicator but I looked at it as playing the long game. At the time she had a bit of GPS and really thought she was getting into some. Kind of lifestyle of high rollers. Body was okay as was face. Pretty much what you see in the profile pic, plus five years. At the time she wanted 5, everything covered. If she sends you some pics. DM me and I can confirm if it's her and see what else I can remember.

I have texting this girl and want some feedback before proceeding.

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...6-a4206164dae6

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[Mcsylv]

Sometimes I wonder what they are smoking. I was chatting with this one https://members.seeking.com/messages...3-b2bccf36c9e8 She blocked after our conversation. Upon initial contact, she said does not want to any physical intimacy. However, asked to leave my number if I would like to chat. I did. We moved the conversation to SMS. After few pleasantries, she was asking for an allowance to meet in person. I said we can hangout be friends and have probably have coffee / Drinks but if you are hoping to get paid for having coffee with me, I am not your guy. She flipped out and said I don't understand what seeking means. LOL. I am not sure what these girls are smoking. Are one of you fellow SDs meeting them and paying them for the privilege of drinking coffee with you?

You see retarded service providers in every industry. A law firm I contacted recently ignored me for a solid 30 days after we had our first phone call, even when I was sending emails asking for an update on the case. They just emailed me today and acted as if nothing happened, gave a regular update on where they were with the case research.

[Pathfinder04]

Sometimes I wonder what they are smoking. I was chatting with this one https://members.seeking.com/messages...3-b2bccf36c9e8 She blocked after our conversation. Upon initial contact, she said does not want to any physical intimacy. However, asked to leave my number if I would like to chat. I did. We moved the conversation to SMS. After few pleasantries, she was asking for an allowance to meet in person. I said we can hangout be friends and have probably have coffee / Drinks but if you are hoping to get paid for having coffee with me, I am not your guy. She flipped out and said I don't understand what seeking means. LOL. I am not sure what these girls are smoking. Are one of you fellow SDs meeting them and paying them for the privilege of drinking coffee with you?

I believe this link goes to your inbox. At least I couldn't access it. However I sure hope no one is giving these girls money for coffee and dinner dates.

[NeedXtra]

I have texting this girl and want some feedback before proceeding.

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...6-a4206164dae6

[StickDeath]

Sometimes I wonder what they are smoking. I was chatting with this one https://members.seeking.com/messages...3-b2bccf36c9e8 She blocked after our conversation. Upon initial contact, she said does not want to any physical intimacy. However, asked to leave my number if I would like to chat. I did. We moved the conversation to SMS. After few pleasantries, she was asking for an allowance to meet in person. I said we can hangout be friends and have probably have coffee / Drinks but if you are hoping to get paid for having coffee with me, I am not your guy. She flipped out and said I don't understand what seeking means. LOL. I am not sure what these girls are smoking. Are one of you fellow SDs meeting them and paying them for the privilege of drinking coffee with you?

[Member #6951]

Wife is pushing for family sharing. Tips? I've hidden apps and I believe I also need to disable tracking. Anything else?

[Mcsylv]

I am not saying that compromise is always the right answer. I was conveying the story to show how fronting money without getting something in return is a really bad idea.

As I mentioned in my first post on the subject, this particular case of her demanding money up front, and literally showing all signs of being willing to terminate the date if I did not, was the first and only time that it has gotten to that level in my many years of doing this. She waited until I was undressing her while kissing to pull the allowance-up-front-demand, and did it in such an adamant way that my instincts told me she was willing to bolt if she didn't get it. I'm not the type to give in to demands so I needed an alternate solution, and luckily it worked. So, because I was the only one who was there, I am probably far more qualified to say what was likely to have happened if I didn't come up with the phone in the safe idea.

Even still, none of that is relevant. A fellow SD got scammed and I wanted to convey a way of avoiding that particular scam. It's not relevant whether the method would have gotten him laid or not. She might have said fuck off I'm not giving you my phone and left anyway. But he would have not lost his $350. So, in that way creative negotiation would have unconditionally changed his outcome.

Yea I agree that negotiating is always better than not negotiating, for sure. And in your spot, I would have for sure tried to save the situation instead of just putting my pants back on and putting my foot down.

If I were a betting man, I would have put money on your compromise not working out LOL, but I'm glad you beat the odds in this case.

[OliverNP]

I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that your tactic of compromise most likely did not alter the outcome. She was probably going to fuck you even if you just straight up said "no, fuck me or I'm not giving you allowance. " The reason I say this is because we've all tried forms of compromise methods with girls and the compromises usually didn't work for me. Sure, you may have found the 1% situation where you met a legit girl that had real concerns, and your compromise saved the situation and got you some intense pussy, it's just very rare.

I agree that in these situations, there's nothing to lose by at least trying to compromise, and I still do it when given the option. For example, I always try to get girls to verify by sending a selfie doing a specific pose, but if they refuse then I suggest alternatives like video chat. I just notice that the first refusal of something reasonable is very often a sign that it's a scammer and they won't comply no matter what compromises I suggest. Same thing for sending cash before meeting, I've noticed legit girls almost never ask for it before seeing me in person, and the ones that ask for it almost never turn out to be legit even if I ask for a compromise.

The difference between what I do and what you're suggesting is that I haven't noticed my compromises changing my outcomes much, while you're saying it made a world of difference. Perhaps we just have had very different personal experiences.

I am not saying that compromise is always the right answer. I was conveying the story to show how fronting money without getting something in return is a really bad idea.

As I mentioned in my first post on the subject, this particular case of her demanding money up front, and literally showing all signs of being willing to terminate the date if I did not, was the first and only time that it has gotten to that level in my many years of doing this. She waited until I was undressing her while kissing to pull the allowance-up-front-demand, and did it in such an adamant way that my instincts told me she was willing to bolt if she didn't get it. I'm not the type to give in to demands so I needed an alternate solution, and luckily it worked. So, because I was the only one who was there, I am probably far more qualified to say what was likely to have happened if I didn't come up with the phone in the safe idea.

Even still, none of that is relevant. A fellow SD got scammed and I wanted to convey a way of avoiding that particular scam. It's not relevant whether the method would have gotten him laid or not. She might have said fuck off I'm not giving you my phone and left anyway. But he would have not lost his $350. So, in that way creative negotiation would have unconditionally changed his outcome.

[Mcsylv]

I believe you missed the point of my conveying that experience.

You're correct that this particular girl wasn't a scammer, but she demanded the money up front. I started out explaining my policy of never fronting cash, but I could tell she was shutting down, and the date was headed toward becoming a total loss. I suggested putting her phone in the safe as a negotiated compromise: she got what she needed, cash in hand. Meanwhile I got what I wanted, an assurance she wasn't going to use her phone as an excuse to duck out and bolt with the cash I just gave her. Hopefully you can see how creative negotiation had EVERYTHING to do with that incident.

Stickdeath described a situation that would have been avoided if he had done same. Granted, if she truly went there with no attention of having sex, she might never have agreed to put her phone in the safe. But at least he would not have lost his money.

Some of these girls that end up scamming their SDs have been scammed by guys before that didn't pay. Some of them go into the date with the intention of carrying through, but if they see an opportunity to get more for less will seize the opportunity. If you leave the cage open on a birds door it shouldn't be a surprise if it flies. Remove the opportunity for scams and some of those scammers will turn out to be good or even great fucks.

I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that your tactic of compromise most likely did not alter the outcome. She was probably going to fuck you even if you just straight up said "no, fuck me or I'm not giving you allowance. " The reason I say this is because we've all tried forms of compromise methods with girls and the compromises usually didn't work for me. Sure, you may have found the 1% situation where you met a legit girl that had real concerns, and your compromise saved the situation and got you some intense pussy, it's just very rare.

I agree that in these situations, there's nothing to lose by at least trying to compromise, and I still do it when given the option. For example, I always try to get girls to verify by sending a selfie doing a specific pose, but if they refuse then I suggest alternatives like video chat. I just notice that the first refusal of something reasonable is very often a sign that it's a scammer and they won't comply no matter what compromises I suggest. Same thing for sending cash before meeting, I've noticed legit girls almost never ask for it before seeing me in person, and the ones that ask for it almost never turn out to be legit even if I ask for a compromise.

The difference between what I do and what you're suggesting is that I haven't noticed my compromises changing my outcomes much, while you're saying it made a world of difference. Perhaps we just have had very different personal experiences.