"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**FarFarAway** · 08-09-22 12:19

Originally Posted by RegularJoe1985 [View Original Post]

OneVanilla card states:

"You can use your OneVanilla Card anywhere Visa debit cards, Debit Mastercard or Discover cards are accepted within the fifty United States and District of Columbia. The OneVanilla Card cannot be used at merchants outside the United States, including Internet and mail order / telephone order merchants. ".

MyVanilla states:

"Use your MyVanilla Card everywhere Visa debit cards or Debit Mastercard are accepted for purchases at retail locations, online, over the phone, or through mail order, depending on the network brand mark displayed on the front of your card. ".

With all the different flavors of Vanilla cards out there, there's lot of confusion.

To add to the above there is also VanillaGift card. LOL.

What the package says is immaterial. I stand by *exactly* what I posted, I have no opinion on anything else. SecureSpend, in my area, looks to cash registers like OneVanila. It rings up that way. However, it isn't the same thing, as I mentioned. If you get a card that does not have a means to add a zip code for pay-at-the-pump, I predict it will not work on seeking. Some other posters have said SecureSpend can be run by customer service at SA. That was an old tactic, it might still work for even other cards people don't discuss.

I have a question. At one point, someone posted a means to use Google Play cards to pay for SA membership. I have a screenshot of it somewhere. As I recall, it required the use of the seeking app on an Android phone. Does anyone still use this? Is the app still available? I recall that such 'adult' dating apps were removed from the app stores of some cell systems a while back, but IDK about any of this specifically.

**RegularJoe1985** · 08-09-22 11:40

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

I have just paid up another month on SA using a OneVanilla prepaid debit card. I phoned in and entered a zip code for the card, that the phone tree says is necessary to use the card for pay-at-the-pump and online purchases. I waited about half an hour after that, and the charge went right through on SA.

I sometimes have a hard time locating that specific card. Last week I bought a SecureSpend card, it has no means to associate the card with a zip code, and I was unable to use it to pay for a seeking membership.

OneVanilla card states:

"You can use your OneVanilla Card anywhere Visa debit cards, Debit Mastercard or Discover cards are accepted within the fifty United States and District of Columbia. The OneVanilla Card cannot be used at merchants outside the United States, including Internet and mail order / telephone order merchants. ".

MyVanilla states:

"Use your MyVanilla Card everywhere Visa debit cards or Debit Mastercard are accepted for purchases at retail locations, online, over the phone, or through mail order, depending on the network brand mark displayed on the front of your card. ".

With all the different flavors of Vanilla cards out there, there's lot of confusion.

To add to the above there is also VanillaGift card. LOL.

**RegularJoe1985** · 08-09-22 09:23

Originally Posted by TheHobbyLobby [View Original Post]

Last month I used a SecureSpend prepaid card. However, it wouldn't go through when I tried to use it I had to call customer service and have them process it.

Isn't it?

Previously it worked by just entering card info on the payment site.

Not sure what's going on with SA.

Not sure I've seen another site have these many problems using Gift Cards. But indeed, SA is unique. LOL.

**SrUnderbridge** · 08-08-22 21:43

Originally Posted by Ronson1 [View Original Post]

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...b-36d50b8e2a63

I'm really interested on this. Especially Vanilla one LOL have anyone had seen them?

Don't know about the doubles, but she got a positive nod in the Tidewater Sugar thread, post 1985. He didn't give a review or talk about prices, etc. But you might check with him and see.

**StickDeath** · 08-08-22 14:09

Originally Posted by BamBam [View Original Post]

Are you on Seeking or WYP? If you met the POT on either of those just use the video chat option on the site. It's free, easy and totally anonymous. If you have any other questions, send me a PM..

Video chat in Seeking never worked for me. A popup window appears and nothing else.

**Ronson1** · 08-08-22 09:15

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...b-36d50b8e2a63

I'm really interested on this. Especially Vanilla one LOL have anyone had seen them?

**OliverNP** · 08-07-22 16:12

Originally Posted by SrUnderbridge [View Original Post]

And as a picture of a picture on a screen, that breaks any metadata trail.

Except for the fact that facial recognition technologies (largely which are not yet available to the consumer but will be one day) are getting good enough that they can identify a person from a sidewalk mounted camera picking up the subject from only one angle dozens of yards away.

That's not where the real risk is. Just because the app disallows saving of the content at the user level, it doesn't mean the app vendor is truly deleting the content vs selling it for purposes of training algorithms, etc. Most of that will be stored in the cloud for some period of time because whoever is providing these apps knows it might come in handy for long-term monetization.

The power (and profit) in these apps is in the data collection they provide to the publisher. Nobody invests time and money in that game for free.

**SrUnderbridge** · 08-07-22 15:58

If you want a really good secure way to communicate and send pics or vids, "wickr me". It's encrypted end to end, and the app disables screencapping and recording while it's running. I tried to use AZ screen record to save a pic of this girl I was chatting with and all it recorded was a black rectangle. And you can set your messages to disappear either immediately after reading or up to 24 hours after. And once they're gone they are gone. Pretty much the only way to save a pic is to use another device to physically take a pic of the screen. And as a picture of a picture on a screen, that breaks any metadata trail.

The hard part, of course, is getting your contact to also install and use the app.

**OliverNP** · 08-07-22 13:07

Originally Posted by BamBam [View Original Post]

The risks are real enough to warrant sensible precautions but unless there is a searchable link between my video chats and my actual ID

Technologies such as facial recognition and related AI have reached a point where establishing a link between someone's true identity and a simple image of them is much easier than it was only a few years ago.

Think about all of the violent criminals that were able to remain anonymous for three or four decades, then all of a sudden started dropping like flies into jail when DNA genetics technology hit a certain inflection point (just in the last few years) and they were identifiable through genetic association to someone else.

The state of identification through facial / voice / video recognition, digital fingerprinting, and similar techniques that result in data cross-correlation is orders of magnitude more advanced than it was in 2018. It is now on a par with DNA matching.

Not saying we can eliminate the need to take risks, but at least we can avoid the hot spot danger zones (and video chats are way up the list).

**BamBam** · 08-07-22 12:12

Originally Posted by OliverNP [View Original Post]

I didn't say anything about hitting the news, I spoke to the potentially unwanted future availability of content. There is a reason they say don't upload anything to the Internet that you don't want to remain there forever (and when you participate in chat services you're doing just that).

If that's an acceptable risk to anyone, they have nothing to fear from video chats. Sounds like a high price to pay for chasing young pussy and being too lazy to be careful about it.

Many years ago, when I first became a monger, there were people capturing photos, names and numbers and then posting them on various websites. They got my disguised photo, a burner number and my hobby name and email. The first site was called ExposingJohns.com. They later migrated to PredatorAlert.com. I was contacted multiple times at my email by a third party offering their services to force the site (s) to remove my info. They offered to guarantee results for only $2500. The AG's of any state the gang are in will chase them but these guys just relocate and pop up in a different place using a different name. My personal life was not at risk but if any POT would search my phone number, etc one of those sites would pop up. I had to start over. Creating a new hobby persona was a lot easier back then. I am more cautious now. I still get the occasional blackmail threat but they are never a true danger. The risks are real enough to warrant sensible precautions but unless there is a searchable link between my video chats and my actual ID, I am not going to be overly worried. I do not doubt that what ONP says is true but when factored for probability it becomes less of a concern. For me.

BAM.

**OliverNP** · 08-07-22 10:14

Originally Posted by Zerry [View Original Post]

They might hit the news if someone is famous enough (not me) but as long as it involves consensual acts with adults they fizzle out rather quickly. The general public doesn't seem to care.

I didn't say anything about hitting the news, I spoke to the potentially unwanted future availability of content. There is a reason they say don't upload anything to the Internet that you don't want to remain there forever (and when you participate in chat services you're doing just that).

Remember the Hunter Moore case? None of those girls were famous, none of them opted in to having their photos uploaded, and many of them never even sent the pics to anyone... they thought their phone was safe.

You could get a ransomware attack email one day saying "Hello, I have all of the video chats you did with your sugarbabies and here are a couple of short clips to prove I do in fact have them. I plan to host these and ensure that the links are returned in the immediate search engine results when someone Googles your name. It will not be good for your career. I am willing to settle for $60 k payable in bitcoin to not post your videos. Such an affluent sugardaddy such as yourself should be able to afford this. Please bitcoin to XXXXXXX if you don't want the entire Internet to see these videos".

Point is, cybersecurity risks are real and getting worse by the day. Scammers are finding new ways to monetize their treasures. And these ransomware attacks usually end up one of two ways -- either the ransom is paid or the threat is followed through with (and sometimes even when the ransom is paid, follow-up blackmail attempts demand ongoing payment).

Originally Posted by Zerry [View Original Post]

A good number of marriages even survive.

They might survive but they create a one-sided debt situation where the husband has to spend the rest of his married days kissing ass and living in the shadows of what he got caught doing.

If that's an acceptable risk to anyone, they have nothing to fear from video chats. Sounds like a high price to pay for chasing young pussy and being too lazy to be careful about it.

**TheHobbyLobby** · 08-07-22 08:15

Originally Posted by RegularJoe1985 [View Original Post]

Are you still able to get OneVanilla prepaid card? Thought they phased it out and replaced with SecureSpend.

Was able to use SecureSpend on SA earlier but it seems I couldn't a few weeks back. So was looking for alternatives. Someone suggested Reloadable OneVanilla card is going through.

Not sure what the deal is at SA, LOL.

Last month I used a SecureSpend prepaid card. However, it wouldn't go through when I tried to use it I had to call customer service and have them process it.

**RegularJoe1985** · 08-06-22 22:21

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

I have just paid up another month on SA using a OneVanilla prepaid debit card. I phoned in and entered a zip code for the card, that the phone tree says is necessary to use the card for pay-at-the-pump and online purchases. I waited about half an hour after that, and the charge went right through on SA.

I sometimes have a hard time locating that specific card. Last week I bought a SecureSpend card, it has no means to associate the card with a zip code, and I was unable to use it to pay for a seeking membership.

Are you still able to get OneVanilla prepaid card? Thought they phased it out and replaced with SecureSpend.

Was able to use SecureSpend on SA earlier but it seems I couldn't a few weeks back. So was looking for alternatives. Someone suggested Reloadable OneVanilla card is going through.

Not sure what the deal is at SA, LOL.

**Zerry** · 08-06-22 17:47

Originally Posted by OliverNP [View Original Post]

And that's the key differentiator in deciding your level of risk.

If you don't care that every word you say on the video could arise anywhere on the Internet some day when someone Googles your name (even if there are multiple videos with different girls across many months or years that need to be explained), then I don't think you have anything else to worry about.

Anyone else, who does not have 25+ years experience with cybersecurity matters and a deep understanding of content delivery networks and cloud infrastructure, please be aware that your content could potentially be hacked and made public at any time and the possibility of that content ending up where you did not intend it at some point in the future is much greater than you realize.

If its a matter of her on cam only, and the only things being said are in typed chat, that's a bit less attached to ones persona, easier to explain away that someone has forged the content, and less likely to be held against you at some point in time.

For me, a level of risk I'm willing to take is that I'm willing to send girls non-sexual photos of myself (at least initially. Once I know her well, I sometimes send her pics or videos we made while fucking but my face is never shown). I will not discuss anything other than standard dating talk on the website. I quickly take those detailed arrangement conversations offline to another means of communication, and I switch means regularly so its not all in one place.

They might hit the news if someone is famous enough (not me) but as long as it involves consensual acts with adults they fizzle out rather quickly. The general public doesn't seem to care.

A good number of marriages even survive.