Massage Parlor Reports

[Gene2]

Anyone know where I can find pics and names of the panacea line-up now. I have not been in the area since last fall. I'm visiting again this month. Also, lost the BBU website for booking. Is that posted some here, not on ads!

Hope it helps.

[Mike Yepthatsm]

Go to STG website and search panacea in the GR section and you will see the ads with their pics and names.

Anyone know where I can find pics and names of the panacea line-up now. I have not been in the area since last fall. I'm visiting again this month. Also, lost the BBU website for booking. Is that posted some here, not on ads!

[Member #6286]

Anyone know where I can find pics and names of the panacea line-up now. I have not been in the area since last fall. I'm visiting again this month. Also, lost the BBU website for booking. Is that posted some here, not on ads!

[Member #6286]

Anyone know where I can find pics and names of the panacea line-up now. I have not been in the area since last fall. I'm visiting again this month. Also, lost the BBU website for booking. Is that posted some here, not on ads!

[Gene2]

Tommey is right, always be willing to walk away, I've done it many times.

Remember the person in charge is the one with the money. Give her the money and you've lost all control of the date.

If I see an escort that tells me there will be cim and she hands me a cover, I head for the door. Most of the time she'll change her mind before I put my hand on the door knob. If she already had the money I would be getting ripped off.

Negotiations are easy at the salon too.

If they know you're worried about mood kill, they will upcharge and rip you off.

The easiest way to negotiate is by only bringing in what you plan to spend. Let them see it but don't give the money until you're satisfied with service.

When they upsell, tell them I only have X.

Be willing to accept whatever they have to offer for your X. If you don't like their offer for X, counter offer and let them know you can do it yourself and save the whole tip. Once you start jerking off in front of them, they usually see their tip disappearing and they join in.

Normally I consider myself an educated and fairly intelligent man. However, at this time, my woeful lack of skill and basic understanding of the art of this game is painfully evident. While this is a bit embarrassing, I stand ready to learn and realign my expectations and approaches. It appears I need to take a much "longer range" viewpoint to the activities I desire. I need to learn that amount paid or tipped doesn't necessarily translate to better service or extra activities being made available.

I find solace that perhaps numerous other dudes here are in my shoes. And while they may remain silent, they too can learn from this sharing of information and methodologies.

Thank you.

G2.

[Gene2]

Thanks to Benz for the reminder about the newbie guide. Lots of good info there. Yet, I did a quick scan and didn't see much on negotiating. This post was the only one directly on point: http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post4532668.

I suppose there may be more buried in some of the other content there.

For Gene and others' benefit, it may help if members share some more thoughts about getting started with negotiations.

First off, the best advice I have is, just do it. What works for some won't work for everyone, and you simply need to start doing it. After some practice, you will find an approach that works for your voice and conversational style. So start pushing back on price.

It will not ruin the mood, negotiating. The women doing this work are quite accustomed to it. And you can learn a lot about a provider based on how she handles talk of money.

And, of course, always be prepared to walk away. When the money requests get crazy, there is a time to just bag it, and walk away.

Thank you for the pointers. It would appear I have a lot to learn in this aspect and have been approaching this from the wrong vantage point and my methods have been fundamentally flawed. I await further nuances from those of you who are skilled in negotiating, not just cost, but also level of services or extras provided. I need to become an ardent student of the game.

Thank you all in advance for your continued assistance in the ongoing education of this dude.

G2.

[Benz1]

Thanks to Benz for the reminder about the newbie guide. Lots of good info there. Yet, I did a quick scan and didn't see much on negotiating. This post was the only one directly on point: http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post4532668.

I suppose there may be more buried in some of the other content there.

For Gene and others' benefit, it may help if members share some more thoughts about getting started with negotiations.

First off, the best advice I have is, just do it. What works for some won't work for everyone, and you simply need to start doing it. After some practice, you will find an approach that works for your voice and conversational style. So start pushing back on price.

It will not ruin the mood, negotiating. The women doing this work are quite accustomed to it. And you can learn a lot about a provider based on how she handles talk of money.

And, of course, always be prepared to walk away. When the money requests get crazy, there is a time to just bag it, and walk away.

Oh, last bit that I have is that negotiations vary quite a bit depending on what type of provider you are seeing, whether it be massage, escorting, or street walking. This question comes in the massage thread, which is my preference. So my views are skewed to what works best there (for me). But keep that in mind when a member who primarily sees SWs and escorts gives thoughts on the money dance, because some of it may apply here, and some not.

Tommey is right, always be willing to walk away, I've done it many times.

Remember the person in charge is the one with the money. Give her the money and you've lost all control of the date.

If I see an escort that tells me there will be cim and she hands me a cover, I head for the door. Most of the time she'll change her mind before I put my hand on the door knob. If she already had the money I would be getting ripped off.

Negotiations are easy at the salon too.

If they know you're worried about mood kill, they will upcharge and rip you off.

The easiest way to negotiate is by only bringing in what you plan to spend. Let them see it but don't give the money until you're satisfied with service.

When they upsell, tell them I only have X.

Be willing to accept whatever they have to offer for your X. If you don't like their offer for X, counter offer and let them know you can do it yourself and save the whole tip. Once you start jerking off in front of them, they usually see their tip disappearing and they join in.

You might notice that I'm focused more on the results than the mood. If your worried about mood, empty your wallet, borrow from your neighbors and remortgage your house because there will never be enough to keep them happy.

Street walkers are a little different, once they're in your car it could be dangerous to negotiate too far. Many years before I joined usasexguide I picked up a SW and she was wacked out. I told her to get out and she started screaming, hitting my windows and dash board. Cost me 20 to get her out of the car. WTF. I do pick up street walkers anymore.

Tuesday and Wednesday are the slowest days of the week, your negotiation will have better results mid week. Never negotiate on Friday, they have a lot more options and won't hear a word you say. Friday is payday for them.

[Tommey]

I have to appreciate your posts with good details that outline what you paid compared to what was first offered. It is likely true you are an expert negotiator. I, on the other hand, am a terrible negotiator. Perhaps what drives my woeful success rate is a fear of killing the mood or vibe to save $60. So I just usually agree and pay. How do you counter with a lower rate without dimming the mood? Asking for a friend. A really good friend. Me. Thanks for any advice..

Thanks to Benz for the reminder about the newbie guide. Lots of good info there. Yet, I did a quick scan and didn't see much on negotiating. This post was the only one directly on point: http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post4532668.

I suppose there may be more buried in some of the other content there.

For Gene and others' benefit, it may help if members share some more thoughts about getting started with negotiations.

First off, the best advice I have is, just do it. What works for some won't work for everyone, and you simply need to start doing it. After some practice, you will find an approach that works for your voice and conversational style. So start pushing back on price.

It will not ruin the mood, negotiating. The women doing this work are quite accustomed to it. And you can learn a lot about a provider based on how she handles talk of money.

And, of course, always be prepared to walk away. When the money requests get crazy, there is a time to just bag it, and walk away.

Oh, last bit that I have is that negotiations vary quite a bit depending on what type of provider you are seeing, whether it be massage, escorting, or street walking. This question comes in the massage thread, which is my preference. So my views are skewed to what works best there (for me). But keep that in mind when a member who primarily sees SWs and escorts gives thoughts on the money dance, because some of it may apply here, and some not.

[LongAwaited493]

I like the new place. The cameras keep the lady safe and keep the guys honest. In today's world you can't get away from cameras. Whether it's across the street or on the road. Her new place is perfect if he asked me great location. All the girls there are quality.

The cameras will provide the cops all they need to arrest all the folks that have participated in their services. For that reason I'll spend my money elsewhere.

[Benz1]

I have to appreciate your posts with good details that outline what you paid compared to what was first offered. It is likely true you are an expert negotiator. I, on the other hand, am a terrible negotiator. Perhaps what drives my woeful success rate is a fear of killing the mood or vibe to save $60. So I just usually agree and pay. How do you counter with a lower rate without dimming the mood? Asking for a friend. A really good friend. Me. Thanks for any advice.

G2.

Good negotiation advice can be found in the New Member Guide. Once again, thank you Private Parts for all your hard work on this blog.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...w-Member-Guide

[Gene2]

For all the Lauren fans out there, she told me she will be available this evening 5:30-9:00 pm and tomorrow 9:00 am to 3:00 pm.

As always with Lauren, her busy life can change quickly. But she is always worth waiting for.

https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.co...n/156169333809

G2.

[Sholland]

So even with all the controversy over our pictures being sold on the internet and our real lives exposed I went to Bodyworks and saw Reyna. Many of my regular ladies are no longer with them so I figured I would try someone new. I was met by a beautiful tan dark haired beauty. Soft and smooth to the touch and trust me my hands covered every inch. I paid the normal hour fee and we played the entire time. This was my first time to the newest location. I can't say enough good about Reyna give her a try treat her nice make her laugh and enjoy the show. I'll take pms if you guys want more but she was a treat.

I like the new place. The cameras keep the lady safe and keep the guys honest. In today's world you can't get away from cameras. Whether it's across the street or on the road. Her new place is perfect if he asked me great location. All the girls there are quality.

[Gene2]

I ended up paying $200 total ($60 door fee, $140 tip), but I'm an expert negotiator. I. e. YMMV.

I have to appreciate your posts with good details that outline what you paid compared to what was first offered. It is likely true you are an expert negotiator. I, on the other hand, am a terrible negotiator. Perhaps what drives my woeful success rate is a fear of killing the mood or vibe to save $60. So I just usually agree and pay. How do you counter with a lower rate without dimming the mood? Asking for a friend. A really good friend. Me. Thanks for any advice.

G2.

[BoatGuy1]

Thanks for your honesty.

I ended up paying $200 total ($60 door fee, $140 tip), but I'm an expert negotiator. I. e. YMMV.

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[BoatGuy1]

Let us know when you find that!

If you do you can probably make some coin off of all of us.

Hot damn. I looked at the pricing at S. A. And it was insane! I need to find a good UTR near Musk / Grand Haven who doesn't see many. But I ain't paying a website that much! Rather keep the money local with a girl.