"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**BamBam** · 06-05-22 18:13

Originally Posted by KingKane [View Original Post]

I'm not going to "make-believe" that I'm actually dating these girls. The sheer fact that we have to negotiate with SBs means that if we don't agree to give them a certain amount of money, they wouldn't touch us with a 10-ft pole. It means that anytime spent with us is excruciating for them and they have to hold down their vomit and laugh at all of our jokes so they can get their money. You're paying someone for their time, you're paying them to be there. If they weren't getting paid what they want, they wouldn't be there. I have no idea how some of you guys can misconstrue that into them liking you in some way. That's absurd; they need financial help. They might lie and say they like you. If your boss asked you if you really liked him as a person, wouldn't you say yes with a big smile on your face? Of course you would. Common sense.

This may be true sometimes or even a lot of time but you cannot universalize. I am with PTG on this. I have been in the sugar bowl for almost ten years now. I have had arrangements with multiple SB's. Some got clingy and I had to create distance. Others ghosted on me. A handful have moved away or moved on but others have stayed in touch. I have one who sends me beach photos from California over FB. Another is married and sends me videos of her vacation trips with her husband. Still another pings me periodically for career or investment advice. I doubt any of that would be happening if it were a purely financial transaction. As has often been said, everybody gets the sugar bowl they are seeking. Wittingly or otherwise.

BAM.

**Dragyn** · 06-05-22 17:01

Originally Posted by GoinDonkey [View Original Post]

I wasn't saying the girls don't have valid reasons to not want their faces on the site. They do. But that doesn't make me ok with a crapshoot, having no idea what the girl they send will actually look like.

I've seen other agencies do better. Like posting real pics with the girls faces and tattoos hidden. Or no pics at all, but ethnicity and stats. The way Sirens does it is dishonest. Especially since their site states "What you see is what you get! No bait and switch here".

Also, 8 of the 11 girls listed on their site now have been on there since it began. If their turnover rate is high, that means if I order "Jessica" and like her, then order her again a month or two later, the girl they send probably won't be the same "Jessica" as before.

So what are the rates and serving area?

**PartyTimeGuy** · 06-05-22 15:26

Originally Posted by KingKane [View Original Post]

I'm not going to "make-believe" that I'm actually dating these girls. The sheer fact that we have to negotiate with SBs means that if we don't agree to give them a certain amount of money, they wouldn't touch us with a 10-ft pole.

I think your reaction is a bit overboard. And it is certainly the complete opposite of my experience of sugaring in the wild, wherein a POT almost always agrees to the situation before even knowing what the compensation will be, and I have written extensively on strategies to achieve that connection, which is established before money is even a factor. While you can never really tell how much actual attraction there is between a male and a female (even in civvie dating), there is sometimes a genuine bond of sorts between SD and SB. The only way to know what that is for sure is to get perfectly truthful statements about it from both parties, and that is probably unlikely to happen. But to assume it is "just" a financial transaction is to ignore everything we know about the physical and emotional interaction of men and women, regardless how it gets started, and regardless of the age differences in this particular case.

It means that anytime spent with us is excruciating for them and they have to hold down their vomit and laugh at all of our jokes so they can get their money. You're paying someone for their time, you're paying them to be there. If they weren't getting paid what they want, they wouldn't be there. I have no idea how some of you guys can misconstrue that into them liking you in some way. That's absurd; they need financial help. They might lie and say they like you. If your boss asked you if you really liked him as a person, wouldn't you say yes with a big smile on your face? Of course you would. Common sense.

Your view is bitterly biased and you can't possibly know that your conclusions are always and most assuredly the case. I have had both strong and weak connections to SBs. While it may be wishful thinking, some of those relationships have been close. Some most definitely have not. Compatibility is a complexly strange animal. It is very hard to explain or perfectly understand. But I would claim through considerable experience that affinity for and harmony with a SB is definitely possible despite your contentions to the absolute contrary that an employer/employee relationship with ass kissing of the employer is all that is transpiring. My MO these days is always to make the connection first: the compensation follows but is not the predicate of the transaction.

**GoinDonkey** · 06-05-22 13:06

Originally Posted by Jacko52 [View Original Post]

Do you want a picture of yourself floating around on thousands of perverts phones in the town that you live in?

I wasn't saying the girls don't have valid reasons to not want their faces on the site. They do. But that doesn't make me ok with a crapshoot, having no idea what the girl they send will actually look like.

I've seen other agencies do better. Like posting real pics with the girls faces and tattoos hidden. Or no pics at all, but ethnicity and stats. The way Sirens does it is dishonest. Especially since their site states "What you see is what you get! No bait and switch here".

Also, 8 of the 11 girls listed on their site now have been on there since it began. If their turnover rate is high, that means if I order "Jessica" and like her, then order her again a month or two later, the girl they send probably won't be the same "Jessica" as before.

**JohnB22** · 06-05-22 07:06

Originally Posted by GoinDonkey [View Original Post]

I might call them if I thought I'd be meeting the girls pictured on their site. But they've had the same pics on there for years now, and there is no escort agency on earth with that little turnover.

They have 20 to 30 girls who don't want their picture on the website. They just hired a bunch of new girls who will be in Richmond for the summer. I've seen 3 new girls advertised on the website in the last 2 weeks and they added a dominatrix.

**Jacko52** · 06-04-22 20:32

Originally Posted by GoinDonkey [View Original Post]

I might call them if I thought I'd be meeting the girls pictured on their site. But they've had the same pics on there for years now, and there is no escort agency on earth with that little turnover.

They have a high turnover rate. They get new girls all the time. The majority of the girls do not want their picture on an adult entertainment website because these are not porn stars. They're normal hot college girls who have normal lives and live In this town. They have other jobs, families, and normal lives. Do you want a picture of yourself floating around on thousands of perverts phones in the town that you live in? There are a lot of dangerous psychos on the Internet. For most of the girls, it's just something they're doing part time for tuition and to just get by in life. They don't want to be recognized outside in their real lives. It's not their career.

**GoinDonkey** · 06-04-22 18:22

Originally Posted by VetSD [View Original Post]

If you're tired of all the hassle of SA or you're having a problem getting the girls to meet up with you, then just call SirensVA.com.

I might call them if I thought I'd be meeting the girls pictured on their site. But they've had the same pics on there for years now, and there is no escort agency on earth with that little turnover.

**MikeJones1962** · 06-04-22 16:28

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...5-5851d3526c0d

Here is another one. She is nice, and reasonably smart (speaks German and Russian; excellent English). Reasonable overnight rate. Comes to you. Good girl IMO. YMMV. Happy mongering. .

**Jacko52** · 06-04-22 16:03

Originally Posted by JkRussell [View Original Post]

Totally agree. Taylor and Alyssa are my favs hands down. Aim to please.

Hannah and Hailey are my top choices. I've read a lot of great reviews about Katelyn too on the forum.

**JkRussell** · 06-04-22 15:53

Originally Posted by GoldJack [View Original Post]

SirensVA is an outcall service Girls from sirens are mostly SA girls who are tired of the bullshit on SA. Unlike you, they're tired of guys trying to play games with them. They are ready to please with no hassle as long as you pay with no hassle. Chicks tend to get turned off sexually when they have money dangled over their heads. They want to know they're going to get their money and how much they're going to get, and then they're willing to do whatever we want to make us happy. A lot of guys on SA want to feel some sense of false power by dangling money over the girl's heads. I'm trying to get laid, I don't need my ass kissed first. I don't need to pay for attention. I pay for good pussy that pampers me in- person in real life.

Totally agree. Taylor and Alyssa are my favs hands down. Aim to please.

**MikeJones1962** · 06-04-22 15:52

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...4-1e5e166ee8a8

Saw her a couple of times. Probably paid too much, but she will do whatever. Not that great of body, but has a reasonable attitude and is definitely into it. Staying at a reasonably nice hotel on the West end. She will come to you as well. Happy mongering.

**PartyTimeGuy** · 06-04-22 15:45

Originally Posted by GoldJack [View Original Post]

SirensVA is an outcall service and your walk-in price quote is a little off. It can go up-and-down depending on how many people are going to be there, how many girls they have available, if you're in RVA, and if you're calling last minute, etc. The girls get almost all of the walk-in money..

They advertise as a stripper service. When I called they quoted me prices. I have never used them, and haven't used an outcall service in years, so I took the information they shared at face value.

If they get most of the walk-in money as you claim then it is unlike a typical escort service where the escort service gets most of that and the girls mostly get what they can negotiate as a "tip. " It sounds more like a group of semi-pros who have pooled their resources and pay some girl to answer the phone and make appointments? If so, that sounds pretty smart to me. Paying a middle-man in an escort service most of your walk-in money has to sting like a ***** and makes escorts far more expensive than they need to be.

SA girls are also not girls in the wild. Girls from sirens are mostly SA girls who are tired of the bullshit on SA. Unlike you, they're tired of guys trying to play games with them. They are ready to please with no hassle as long as you pay with no hassle. Chicks tend to get turned off sexually when they have money dangled over their heads. They want to know they're going to get their money and how much they're going to get, and then they're willing to do whatever we want to make us happy. A lot of guys on SA want to feel some sense of false power by dangling money over the girl's heads. I'm trying to get laid, I don't need my ass kissed first. I don't need to pay for attention. I pay for good pussy that pampers me in- person in real life.

That sounds great for as far as it goes: like a call-in sugar site without the games. You pay for her to show up; she reliably does and as advertised. You get some attractive, fun pussy on demand. The only remaining question is what value do you get for your money? In a more typical SB situation you can negotiate a volume discount: you are going to do this regularly. It sounds like this is more typically a one-shot deal, and that would usually cost more. So how much are we talking all-in, walk in money plus "tip?

Also, I would never have an outcall to my residence. Too many potential problems either then or down the road. So a hotel cost would be assumed. But that would be the same as any SB situation.

**MikeJones1962** · 06-04-22 15:33

Originally Posted by PartyTimeGuy [View Original Post]

Let's say you had the power to regulate the price of sugar. What would happen? Some sellers of sugar might refuse to accept the regulated price. A shortage would develop. Some buyers of sugar would be willing to pay more than the regulated price. Those buyers and sellers would find one another. It's called a black market. Those with spendable cash will find the products and services they desire, regardless of the legality of the transaction. The market for pussy is illegal; it's already a black market. LE can come down hard and slow it down, but you can't stop it and you can't regulate it. You most certainly can't complain about it and expect the black market forces to behave the way you want them to.

To requote a truism:

Agree. The thing about black markets is there is no pricing transparency and that sucks. I am grateful for boards such as this that give additional information on price points other than my own dataset. The market ALWAYS determines the price point, for better or worse.

**KingKane** · 06-04-22 15:24

Originally Posted by MikeJones1962 [View Original Post]

Agree 100. I have had longer-term arrangements (lasting about a year), and it can be the total GFE if that's what you want. Some are pretty smart and good companions, like the courtesans of old. Dinner, shows, overnights, etc. And some of the girls will DO ANYTHING! Nasty, nasty, hot young girls. I am 59 and the age gap is often 35 years or more. DISCLAIMER: I will take a BBBJWS from a hot escort! Happy mongering!

I'm not going to "make-believe" that I'm actually dating these girls. The sheer fact that we have to negotiate with SBs means that if we don't agree to give them a certain amount of money, they wouldn't touch us with a 10-ft pole. It means that anytime spent with us is excruciating for them and they have to hold down their vomit and laugh at all of our jokes so they can get their money. You're paying someone for their time, you're paying them to be there. If they weren't getting paid what they want, they wouldn't be there. I have no idea how some of you guys can misconstrue that into them liking you in some way. That's absurd; they need financial help. They might lie and say they like you. If your boss asked you if you really liked him as a person, wouldn't you say yes with a big smile on your face? Of course you would. Common sense.

**MikeJones1962** · 06-04-22 15:22

Originally Posted by ErnestLl [View Original Post]

Very active Snapchat feed of lingerie pics, OF page no doubt has the fleshy ones.

Two months ago said she was happy to be free of her BF, offered to meet in person and she never replied via text or Snap or SA.

Totally agree. She will text, etc. Even for long periods of time. I offered her up to 2 K (we covet what we see, and when the chairman of the board (e. G. My p*nis) weighs in, all bets are off).

And she said she would meet. I thought it was going to happen but ghosted at the point of setting a date. On this board, I have found NO ONE who has met her IRL. I thought I was going to make it happen. .