"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[MikeJones1962]

I could not agree more. This is the reason I only see SBs, and don't pursue blatant escorts putting themselves out there on the internet. Someone who has a menu, a time limit, who agrees to have sex w / someone by texting without having ever met them. They first are no one I would ever f* and second, meet my definition of escort.

I am after the GFE experience. I have had girls I have met from SA give me more of an escort experience, not totally, but still. And I didn't see them again. I have had ongoing and exclusive relationships with girls I met from SA as well. And given that I am retirement age and they were in the 20-40 year old range, I'm pretty proud of that. Great great experiences. Memories to take to the grave.

Agree 100. I have had longer-term arrangements (lasting about a year), and it can be the total GFE if that's what you want. Some are pretty smart and good companions, like the courtesans of old. Dinner, shows, overnights, etc. And some of the girls will DO ANYTHING! Nasty, nasty, hot young girls. I am 59 and the age gap is often 35 years or more. DISCLAIMER: I will take a BBBJWS from a hot escort! Happy mongering!

[MikeJones1962]

Not sure about anybody else but I get ghosted quite a bit. It's part of the game for every 10 that does it there's one or two legit players. For me it's about numbers. The more I do odds are I get a nibble. I also use other sites like BLK and tinder. BLK has been pretty productive for me. But I have no SO so it's easier with those sites posting a picture and all. And surprisingly there are ton of want to be SB's on there novice's and the seasoned veterans. Be safe.

That sounds about right. I make contact with about 1 in 7 after we exchange numbers. Sometimes I am the one that causes the no meet, because of some requirement for advance payment (NEVER do this- I have learned repeatedly by mistakes), or too high a rate for the product / service offered. It's harder than it looks. Also, ghosting is a big part of the game as well, either ghosting on the text string or the meet itself.

[PartyTimeGuy]

HA. I'm starting to think your motive here is "dating above your weight with a fail-safe plan. " Fail-safe == add-more-money.

So while the fucking is fun, it's really about the ego high that comes from getting on in the wild for cheap? Or even not cheap?

I like your turn of phrase. I would add one word to make it more accurate: "WAY, "as in "WAY Above Your Weight. " After all, I am spotting most of these girls in the wild 35 to 40 years. This is Sugar Granddaddy territory. LOL.

The fucking IS fun and so is the ego high. Without the fucking though, the ego high doesn't count for much. I can successfully flirt with just about anyone, but moving that to panties dropping is the real ego high.

As for cheap? The price is the price. But there is no "fail safe plan." You either convince an amateur in the wild to sleep with you or you don't. She usually doesn't say no to $$ but yes to $$$$$. At least, that has never been my experience. They normally agree before the price is even negotiated. They haven't really thought much about a price like a pro has. The money is just the part where there is a meeting of the minds on how much it is worth.

I can afford expensive tail, but I choose value for my money. Wild tail for me is the best value: true amateur, clean girl next door type, with a terrific attitude and willingness to please and do just about anything I want. The price range for that depends on the girl and her level of intelligence (smarter girls are better negotiators and have higher compensation expectations), looks (obviously affects price) and financial circumstances (poorer girls are much more flexible on price). The price bracket for that has been pretty steady for a while now and ranges from $ to $$$. It doesn't matter much to me where the girl is in this range as long as I get what I want. Of course, if I can get the same thing for $ as $$$, why not?

[GoldJack]

It could well be that your suggestion is completely tongue-in-cheek, but they are for real and answer the phone and have outcall stripper rates, so let's take it seriously for a minute.
They charge 300 for a party and 240 one on one. I didn't This is too rich and "professional" for my blood. I prefer real amateurs, without the introductory fee.

I respectfully disagree with you that the game of sugar is not to be savored but rather only the pleasure. The pleasure is certainly the prime objective, but the game can definitely also be enjoyed.

SirensVA is an outcall service and your walk-in price quote is a little off. It can go up-and-down depending on how many people are going to be there, how many girls they have available, if you're in RVA, and if you're calling last minute, etc. The girls get almost all of the walk-in money. SA girls are also not girls in the wild. Girls from sirens are mostly SA girls who are tired of the bullshit on SA. Unlike you, they're tired of guys trying to play games with them. They are ready to please with no hassle as long as you pay with no hassle. Chicks tend to get turned off sexually when they have money dangled over their heads. They want to know they're going to get their money and how much they're going to get, and then they're willing to do whatever we want to make us happy. A lot of guys on SA want to feel some sense of false power by dangling money over the girl's heads. I'm trying to get laid, I don't need my ass kissed first. I don't need to pay for attention. I pay for good pussy that pampers me in- person in real life.

[Wysiwug]

HA. I'm starting to think your motive here is "dating above your weight with a fail-safe plan. " Fail-safe == add-more-money.

So while the fucking is fun, it's really about the ego high that comes from getting on in the wild for cheap? Or even not cheap?

Rodger that Rodger just had to say that. Sorry, Yeah add more money on the cheap in the wild, yep. C'Mon. Hop in my Prius to the airport and I'll take you on a ride in my G650 to Monaco. And It's all for free.

[RogerOver]

It could well be that your suggestion is completely tongue-in-cheek, but they are for real and answer the phone and have outcall stripper rates, so let's take it seriously for a minute.

They charge 300 for a party and 240 one on one. I didn't inquire but I would imagine extras beyond "dancing" could be had for an additional fee, which would be typical of any escort service if that in fact is what this masquerades as. The girls on the site look very attractive and they say there is no bait and switching.

This is too rich and "professional" for my blood. I prefer real amateurs, without the introductory fee. As for the "dancing?" I can see a whole boatload of strippers for the price of a few drinks and some tips, and I have done so more times than I can count, including recruiting many of then for after hour pay for play. But maybe some brave SD can TOFTT and let us know if this is worth considering.

I respectfully disagree with you that the game of sugar is not to be savored but rather only the pleasure. The pleasure is certainly the prime objective, but the game can definitely also be enjoyed.

HA. I'm starting to think your motive here is "dating above your weight with a fail-safe plan. " Fail-safe == add-more-money.

So while the fucking is fun, it's really about the ego high that comes from getting on in the wild for cheap? Or even not cheap?

[Wysiwug]

It could well be that your suggestion is completely tongue-in-cheek, but they are for real and answer the phone and have outcall stripper rates, so let's take it seriously for a minute.

They charge 300 for a party and 240 one on one. I didn't inquire but I would imagine extras beyond "dancing" could be had for an additional fee, which would be typical of any escort service if that in fact is what this masquerades as. The girls on the site look very attractive and they say there is no bait and switching.

This is too rich and "professional" for my blood. I prefer real amateurs, without the introductory fee. As for the "dancing?" I can see a whole boatload of strippers for the price of a few drinks and some tips, and I have done so more times than I can count, including recruiting many of then for after hour pay for play. But maybe some brave SD can TOFTT and let us know if this is worth considering.

I respectfully disagree with you that the game of sugar is not to be savored but rather only the pleasure. The pleasure is certainly the prime objective, but the game can definitely also be enjoyed.

I'm assuming PTG is not from RVA area because Sirens has been reviewed here before as a SB alternative; some good some not so good reviews. But I totally agree with VetSD about instant gratification. There is nothing about Sirens being tongue and cheek. And I'm not sure why you would disparage them if you haven't used the service other than making an inquiry phone call or just reading their web site? Yes, I have used the service before and will continue. Of course, it's expensive but it's all relative to what you can afford and willing to spend for a date. You pay the agency fee and you take it from there when the chick shows up; and if you appear not to be arrogant creep, they tend not to watch the clock. To be real beyond being the tongue and cheek illusion that these chicks are actually strippers or escorts; as they say YMMV but these girls are absolutely gorgeous very low volume chicks who have normal lives outside of what they do on the side so to speak.

[PartyTimeGuy]

My brothers. You are making this way more difficult than it has to be. If you're tired of all the hassle of SA or you're having a problem getting the girls to meet up with you, then just call SirensVA.com.

If you enjoy small talk and texting back-and-forth on SA but don't actually want to meet someone in real-life then text away on SA. I'm not a teenager and I don't have time to text all day about nothing. I want to have sex with a hot chick who's there to please me. I'm not into the whole "game" part of sugar pleasure, I'm only into the pleasure part.

It could well be that your suggestion is completely tongue-in-cheek, but they are for real and answer the phone and have outcall stripper rates, so let's take it seriously for a minute.

They charge 300 for a party and 240 one on one. I didn't inquire but I would imagine extras beyond "dancing" could be had for an additional fee, which would be typical of any escort service if that in fact is what this masquerades as. The girls on the site look very attractive and they say there is no bait and switching.

This is too rich and "professional" for my blood. I prefer real amateurs, without the introductory fee. As for the "dancing?" I can see a whole boatload of strippers for the price of a few drinks and some tips, and I have done so more times than I can count, including recruiting many of then for after hour pay for play. But maybe some brave SD can TOFTT and let us know if this is worth considering.

I respectfully disagree with you that the game of sugar is not to be savored but rather only the pleasure. The pleasure is certainly the prime objective, but the game can definitely also be enjoyed.

[VetSD]

I guess I'm just overly paranoid ever since all the me too stuff human resources at my job has really drilled into us to be extremely careful. I have a lot of young female subordinates and 'm always worried about saying something that might be considered inappropriate and get me accused of sexual harassment. That worry has probably carried over into my interactions outside the office as well.

My brothers. You are making this way more difficult than it has to be. If you're tired of all the hassle of SA or you're having a problem getting the girls to meet up with you, then just call SirensVA.com.

If you enjoy small talk and texting back-and-forth on SA but don't actually want to meet someone in real-life then text away on SA. I'm not a teenager and I don't have time to text all day about nothing. I want to have sex with a hot chick who's there to please me. I'm not into the whole "game" part of sugar pleasure, I'm only into the pleasure part.

[PartyTimeGuy]

IMO, this TFP strategy is a bit outdated due to social media and quite honestly the amount of "Photographers" (Myself included) used this strategy over the last 10-15 years. You'd have to catch them VERY early on and be quick because there's many still trying to find the scraps. I did this on Model Mayhem and found a ton of good prospects.

I agree that once they are on line and advertising on a modeling site the prospects dim a bit that you will find one who hasn't gone down the TFP trail and had a negative experience. However, naivete abounds in the wild, which makes it such an ideal hunting ground. I have used various versions of the TFP approach with success as a useful sub-strategy when sugaring in the wild.

[BookerTNelson]

That is very intriguing. One could pose as an amateur photographer and offer TFP. That stands for "Time For Print" (or "Trade For Print" ). This is a common term in modeling to describe an arrangement whereby the model or actress provides her time in exchange for receiving good images for promotional prints. During such a session one would have an opportunity to engage in conversation privately and gauge interest for a SB arrangement, not to mention convincing her to shed some clothing for hot pics! All of my advice regarding sugaring in the wild would apply.

IMO, this TFP strategy is a bit outdated due to social media and quite honestly the amount of "Photographers" (Myself included) used this strategy over the last 10-15 years. You'd have to catch them VERY early on and be quick because there's many still trying to find the scraps. I did this on Model Mayhem and found a ton of good prospects.

[SBmidlo]

Send this one a message. https://members.seeking.com/member/7...3-e7a7edc11618.

Started a convo on SA a couple of weeks ago then she wanted to switch to text. Without asking she immediately started sending pics and videos. No mention of an allowance at all, she just wants to go to the FC it seems. Have not sampled and do not plan to but wanted to share for those that may be interested. Lives on Cary downtown and can host.

[PartyTimeGuy]

Hey PTG, ran across something ad thought I would ask. Found a website dedicated to local models and actors, replete with head shots and statistics. But what was intriguing is that many of the profiles had email addresses included. So relative to recent convo here about sugaring in the wild, wondered what the level of difficulty might be involved and any special techniques or approaches?

That is very intriguing. One could pose as an amateur photographer and offer TFP. That stands for "Time For Print" (or "Trade For Print" ). This is a common term in modeling to describe an arrangement whereby the model or actress provides her time in exchange for receiving good images for promotional prints. During such a session one would have an opportunity to engage in conversation privately and gauge interest for a SB arrangement, not to mention convincing her to shed some clothing for hot pics! All of my advice regarding sugaring in the wild would apply.

[Shampoo55]

Now I can dedicate whatever time and money I choose to this hobby and not have to worry about slipping up and having to give away half my stuff. I will have to admit that, while the age difference has increased and made sugaring much more challenging, I would rather this than doing it in my younger days and having to spend so much energy keeping it from a live-in SO. Vive la liberte.

Hey PTG, ran across something ad thought I would ask. Found a website dedicated to local models and actors, replete with head shots and statistics. But what was intriguing is that many of the profiles had email addresses included. So relative to recent convo here about sugaring in the wild, wondered what the level of difficulty might be involved and any special techniques or approaches?

[PartyTimeGuy]

So I go in my local bodega and wander over to the rack with the prepaid cards on it and grabbed the old trsusty OneVanilla Card! It's in the same place it always has been located, so kinda a no brainer. Go pay, everything is cool.

But I get home and WTF! This card says SecureSpend, not OneVanilla! I mean the card looks nearly exactly identical!

So I'm hoping I didn't just get ripped off. Oh well at the worst, I'll just use the SecureSpend to purchase a OneVanilla card, the only loss will be the $6. 95 fee!

Now off to SA to see if this B&S card works anyway.

When I was married I made a significant effort to hide my mongering and sugaring activities from the ball and chain. "Business" trips and meetings were cover for most of the time commitment to this hobby. Paperless technology allowed me to hide my secret bank account. (In the old days I needed to have statements sent to my business address.) Fortunately for me I had sources of income the wife knew nothing about, I did my own finances and taxes, and I could keep my hobby funded without questions asked. Prepaid credit cards hid the paper trail. Before those I also had the bills sent to my office. Paperless technology today makes hiding financial transactions much simpler. Burner phones were (and still are) a must to keep my identity secret and also to eliminate a paper trail. In the time before burner phones a business address or PO Box was a handy depository for paper telephone bills.

Despite my success in keeping everything on the QT, there was constant suspicion. Unless you have a spouse who is brain dead she will eventually question all of the office overtime and trips and you need to have constant vigilance regarding paper receipts from restaurants and hotels, most especially if they were local. Sugaring locally was also dangerous because you might be seen by her or someone she knows. One slip and you would have her looking over your shoulder constantly. And then there was the proverbial lipstick or make-up on your collar and/or perfume smell on your clothes or person. While keeping up the secret wall is easier with today's technology, I don't miss having to pay a lot of attention to keep my mongering and sugaring life private. Not to mention the forever worry about picking up an STD.

Now I can dedicate whatever time and money I choose to this hobby and not have to worry about slipping up and having to give away half my stuff. I will have to admit that, while the age difference has increased and made sugaring much more challenging, I would rather this than doing it in my younger days and having to spend so much energy keeping it from a live-in SO. Vive la liberte.