"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[OliverNP]

LMAO! Really? You just posted about the high prices of SBs ad nauseum!

Really? Then why the big fuss about SB pricing!

So let me get this straight. You have plenty of dough but you want to complain about SB prices. And, you get girls for free (because you are such an amazing stud?) that others have to drop a kilo and a half for? There is a phrase for that: full of shit!

Easy to talk the talk. Try walking the walk. Post some pics of your current SBs and we shall be the judge of your incredibly good taste.

You're still not paying attention. Someone asked a question and I answered it. I wasn't complaining about prices. Someone asked if there was any evidence of something and I provided anecdotal evidence. I have no desire to share anything with trolls like you, including pics of SBs who I doubt would want to be posted to hooker board anyway. I can tell by the pics you've posted, you are no where close to operating in the same league I am. That's some seriously nasty looking snatch you're picking up with all your "player" techniques there. LOL.

Anyway don't expect any further replies from me. Feeding trolls is a waste of time.

[PartyTimeGuy]

I normally don't spend time complaining about it or debating it.

LMAO! Really? You just posted about the high prices of SBs ad nauseum!

I have no shortage of cash, or girls interested in seeing me for minimal amounts.

Really? Then why the big fuss about SB pricing!

Prior to the pandemic (which by my choice, put a hold on my sugaring), I've gotten overnight freebies from girls I've seen others post on USASG complaining about same girl is quoting them $1. 5 k, so I already know where my game stands relative to others.

So let me get this straight. You have plenty of dough but you want to complain about SB prices. And, you get girls for free (because you are such an amazing stud?) that others have to drop a kilo and a half for? There is a phrase for that: full of shit!

In the lions analogy I'm exactly where I want to be and where many would like to be. I've seen some of the pics posted here -- one man's treasure is often a girl who couldn't pay me enough to fuck her.

Easy to talk the talk. Try walking the walk. Post some pics of your current SBs and we shall be the judge of your incredibly good taste.

[FarFarAway]

Exactly. Whenever I said "no thanks" to the new rate, I can't remember any of these girls texting me later saying they changed their mind. They just never looked back, and neither did I. So they are clearly not bluffing.

I have heard of it going the other way and some SDs renegotiating the allowance to their own advantage, but I've never done that either. I usually gift them what I feel is appropriate, and I then don't let them down by giving less. They remain happy as long as I'm seeing them regularly. Where it goes wrong is when I don't see them for an extended period of time. I guess they venture out and find a needy one that's willing to pay whatever he has to in order to not be lonely.

Are you talking someone you've been seeing wanting more? Or that you are dealing with a POT and she wants crazy amounts? I never never talk $ w / a girl electronically, only face-to-face. This blog is great evidence that people are way more bold when they have the anonymity of the internet. In person, no girl wants to be rejected, and she'll take a more reasonable amount. Negotiating this way also makes her feel less like she's a pro.

[FarFarAway]

Not trying to be argumentative but the evidence is that over past 2 years prices have increased 100-200%. If what your saying is true then you could counter offer lower amount and since they exaggerating they will take it. I find quite the opposite is true. They immediately stop conversation. So they are either starving or somebody is paying it.

Everyone is fishing in their own bowl. IDK where you are, but there are plenty of people in the locales where I read sugar threads, west coast, Atlanta, this one, who say that they get an initial request for a kilobuck from a girl, and they can negotiate her down to something reasonable. Maybe it isn't like that with the girls you target in your area, but that doesn't mean it is so everywhere. This thread of course includes the Richmond area but has also become the de facto national sugar thread. I definitely haven't seen rates to up by that much in the 4 years I have been on the site. There are always girls who have a glorious opinion about what they are worth, but I still find reasonable women in southern California. I could have my pick of many many desirable Caucasian girls if I were willing to part with 2 K / mo for weekly meetups. I can't quite do that much anymore, hiding that level of expenditure is challenging.

[FarFarAway]

I have encountered lots of POTS, that go silent after the first text.

They will text "Hi", "Yes" then will never be heard from again.

Should I just text a number eg: 500 to see their reaction?

That's the best way to get banned that IK -.

When you say 'text' you mean message on SA, right?

If you are texting them by phone, you can say most anything.

[OliverNP]

Not trying to be argumentative but the evidence is that over past 2 years prices have increased 100-200%. If what your saying is true then you could counter offer lower amount and since they exaggerating they will take it. I find quite the opposite is true. They immediately stop conversation. So they are either starving or somebody is paying it.

Exactly. Whenever I said "no thanks" to the new rate, I can't remember any of these girls texting me later saying they changed their mind. They just never looked back, and neither did I. So they are clearly not bluffing.

I have heard of it going the other way and some SDs renegotiating the allowance to their own advantage, but I've never done that either. I usually gift them what I feel is appropriate, and I then don't let them down by giving less. They remain happy as long as I'm seeing them regularly. Where it goes wrong is when I don't see them for an extended period of time. I guess they venture out and find a needy one that's willing to pay whatever he has to in order to not be lonely.

[Happtrav]

I have encountered lots of POTS, that go silent after the first text.

They will text "Hi", "Yes" then will never be heard from again.

Should I just text a number eg: 500 to see their reaction?

[Jcn1965]

Evidence. What evidence is there that guys are (as often as girls claim) giving them a kilobuck a meet? There is plenty of evidence that social media and girl-to-girl transmission claims that they are getting that, contrary to fact. And if some guy is in Vegas and wants to blow his bankroll on a SB, that really doesn't have meaning to the overall market for SBs.

Not trying to be argumentative but the evidence is that over past 2 years prices have increased 100-200%. If what your saying is true then you could counter offer lower amount and since they exaggerating they will take it. I find quite the opposite is true. They immediately stop conversation. So they are either starving or somebody is paying it.

[OliverNP]

Buyers and sellers. That's what makes a market. Prices result from the interaction of both. To complain about the actions of strong buyers with plenty of cash (brains are another subject, LOL) is a waste of time unless you have control of market forces. The strong will always prevail over the weak, whether that is fair or not. Not true? Tell the strong lions to stop eating so many zebras and give the weaker lions a chance. See how well that works out.

I normally don't spend time complaining about it or debating it. Someone asked if anyone had seen evidence of this being real so I shared my own experiences. I have no shortage of cash, or girls interested in seeing me for minimal amounts. Prior to the pandemic (which by my choice, put a hold on my sugaring), I've gotten overnight freebies from girls I've seen others post on USASG complaining about same girl is quoting them $1. 5 k, so I already know where my game stands relative to others. In the lions analogy I'm exactly where I want to be and where many would like to be. I've seen some of the pics posted here -- one man's treasure is often a girl who couldn't pay me enough to fuck her.

[SBmidlo]

Wants 4 bills and won't budge. https://members.seeking.com/member/7...f-0057b028a359.

I'll pass.

[FarFarAway]

Imagine a fantasy scenario where sugaring was somehow regulated or all SDs everywhere agreed to never pay more than $200 per over-nighter per girl and actually followed through with that limit (almost hard to imagine, I know, but for the sake of this example). What do you think would happen? Would there still be GPS girls on the site asking for $1000+ per night? Of course not. So, why then do GPS girls exist? In some cases it's because someone has paid them that before and they know feel they "know their worth", in other cases it might be because their friend told them they were able to get that, etc. But the bottom line is that if someone, somewhere were not overpaying, there would be no GPS girls at all.

Evidence. What evidence is there that guys are (as often as girls claim) giving them a kilobuck a meet? There is plenty of evidence that social media and girl-to-girl transmission claims that they are getting that, contrary to fact. And if some guy is in Vegas and wants to blow his bankroll on a SB, that really doesn't have meaning to the overall market for SBs.

[PartyTimeGuy]

Imagine a fantasy scenario where sugaring was somehow regulated or all SDs everywhere agreed to never pay more than $200 per over-nighter per girl and actually followed through with that limit (almost hard to imagine, I know, but for the sake of this example). What do you think would happen? Would there still be GPS girls on the site asking for $1000+ per night? Of course not. So, why then do GPS girls exist? In some cases it's because someone has paid them that before and they know feel they "know their worth", in other cases it might be because their friend told them they were able to get that, etc. But the bottom line is that if someone, somewhere were not overpaying, there would be no GPS girls at all.

Let's say you had the power to regulate the price of sugar. What would happen? Some sellers of sugar might refuse to accept the regulated price. A shortage would develop. Some buyers of sugar would be willing to pay more than the regulated price. Those buyers and sellers would find one another. It's called a black market. Those with spendable cash will find the products and services they desire, regardless of the legality of the transaction. The market for pussy is illegal; it's already a black market. LE can come down hard and slow it down, but you can't stop it and you can't regulate it. You most certainly can't complain about it and expect the black market forces to behave the way you want them to.

To requote a truism:

The variable ends at the cash. You have enough, you don't have to give a single fuck what other people pay.

[PartyTimeGuy]

Imagine a fantasy scenario where sugaring was somehow regulated or all SDs everywhere agreed to never pay more than $200 per over-nighter per girl and actually followed through with that limit (almost hard to imagine, I know, but for the sake of this example). What do you think would happen? Would there still be GPS girls on the site asking for $1000+ per night? Of course not. So, why then do GPS girls exist? In some cases it's because someone has paid them that before and they know feel they "know their worth", in other cases it might be because their friend told them they were able to get that, etc. But the bottom line is that if someone, somewhere were not overpaying, there would be no GPS girls at all.

Buyers and sellers. That's what makes a market. Prices result from the interaction of both. To complain about the actions of strong buyers with plenty of cash (brains are another subject, LOL) is a waste of time unless you have control of market forces. The strong will always prevail over the weak, whether that is fair or not. Not true? Tell the strong lions to stop eating so many zebras and give the weaker lions a chance. See how well that works out.

[OliverNP]

Hard to understand why it's even a discussion about how some guys can fuck up a market for everyone else. If I go to the Cosmo and have a drink at the Vesper bar, it's way overpriced for what I could get if I wanted to shoot down to Freemont. With all this game everyone keeps going on about, how could anyone paying more for something than you affect your success rate? Just "game" them and talk it down.

Of course, I guess I can practice chatting up the hotel management to see if they'll give me Freemont prices.
Do I mess it up for everyone buying an expensive car if I simply pay sticker because I don't feel like fucking around and it doesn't matter to me? What if I just pay the stated rate for a suite, when I could get it for half-off if I spent some time trying? Do I ruin it for those that want to get the best price possible?

The variable ends at the cash. You have enough, you don't have to give a single fuck what other people pay.

I've never walked in a food / beverage establishment that said to me "I know I charged you $5 for that drink yesterday, but you only tipped $1. Other customers are tipping $4 so I needed to increase the price of the drink to $10".

Yet that same pricing scenario, applied to SBs and pussy, has happened to me at least a few dozen times. This means I have to either pay her more, or consider her off the market. Finding new ones in a given city costs time and money so the inflation caused by others has impacted my bottom line more times than I can remember.

If others have never had that experience, then hats off to you and I hope you never need to deal with it. If there's one thing I've learned reading these forums is that my experiences in the sugar lifestyle are not exactly like others. I do tend to play the game in a way that I pay allowances that are seemingly lower than typical, and this may make my methods more susceptible to the inflation scenario I've described here.

Even still though, basic economic principles should explain all of this better than I can. For any type of service, sexual or otherwise, if the provider is able to earn 2x more the rate per hour from customer B than customer A is willing to provide, they have little reason to continue providing to customer A because it demonstrates to them that the 2x rate is available and thus their time is better spent with the 2x paying customers. This upward pressure on price is not limited to sexual services.

There is of course a human element involved in sexual interaction, and some SBs (the good ones, IMHO) would prefer the idea of getting a couple of hundred from a super fit SD that they enjoy being around instead of two or three times as much from an out of shape or annoying SD.... but many of them start out as the former and gravitate to the latter. Why? Because if the market is there for it, sometimes financial desperation leads them to it.

Imagine a fantasy scenario where sugaring was somehow regulated or all SDs everywhere agreed to never pay more than $200 per over-nighter per girl and actually followed through with that limit (almost hard to imagine, I know, but for the sake of this example). What do you think would happen? Would there still be GPS girls on the site asking for $1000+ per night? Of course not. So, why then do GPS girls exist? In some cases it's because someone has paid them that before and they know feel they "know their worth", in other cases it might be because their friend told them they were able to get that, etc. But the bottom line is that if someone, somewhere were not overpaying, there would be no GPS girls at all.

[FarFarAway]

I may not have expressed it well, but I tried to describe my experiences with girls' increasing allowance expectation. I have to believe that for the most part someone is paying them a lot more for them than I was for them to tell me that outright. This type of experience was what came to mind when I read your question about whether there was any evidence or not. I don't know if it qualifies as evidence, but to me it suggests there is some similar phenomenon that puts upward pressure on prices over time.

It's hard to say the guys overpaying were losers without knowing them, but I will say I have known guys who just have zero game, terrible luck with women, etc. And they are in my experience usually the ones who end up overpaying for pussy.

I do think some guys drive the market up, otherwise there wouldn't be so many stories of increasingly inflated expectations. But, what is the definition of a loser, how much allowance is considered ridiculous, and for what league of a girl, and whose definition of a league etc. Too many variables.

Look, SA is in business to make $, they get that only from us. However, they need bait, SBs, and they don't want to actually pay for them. But what they do is promise them all the riches they can have. So, that is why there are all sorts of blogs, podcasts, etc. That tell girls that they can get all sorts of $ from SDs. SA also may promote the fiction that girls don't have to put out to get that. That lets them join the site without thinking they are also joining the worlds oldest profession. Whether they ever make the transition from a wannabe to an actual SB has a lot to do w / their vanilla dating experience and the sorts of males they get connected with from the site.