No doubt looks matter. One thing I'd be careful about is confusing "game" with being a good conversationalist.
Having the former ensures that ladies will be in your bed with legs spread and waiting for you. The latter ensures that you end up in the friend zone.
Don't know you from Adam, so if you say you're comfortable with your skills, I've got no reason to doubt you. Just want to point out that there is a difference. And 100% agree that if a girl thinks a guy is hot, it won't matter.
Just to add to my physical profile before I start responding to people, I'm 6 feet tall, and over 300 pounds. I should be around 170-190, depending on muscle. It's a long way to go for me to get right physically. It makes it tougher because I run a company and that's so physically and mentally exhausting, and since I'm not a gym freak, going to the gym only adds to my stress instead of taking away from it. Plus food is a stress relief mechanism for me due to growing up poor where food was a reward for things like doing well in school. Regardless, nothing is going to get better socially for me unless I get fit, plus it's started to affect my health too. Just got to suck it up and do it.
As for my non-local rotation, I have one girl in Southern VA that drives up to me every couple weeks. 20's, great body, boobs are a little saggy but otherwise she's nice and toned. Face is pretty. Altogether, maybe a 7 or 8/10. Every time she comes up, I give her around a 1500 allowance for the weekend.
I have a girl in South Carolina. She's in the same boat as the VA girl, 20's, same body type, 7 or 8/10. Funny thing about her is she doesn't ask for a specific allowance, just said give her whatever I feel is fair. Usually give her a little less than the VA girl for the same weekend date.
Then there's one girl in Vegas, MILF in her 20's. Slightly thicker than the other two but still not what I'd consider curvy. Maybe slightly less hot, a solid 7 instead of 7 or 8. She's a lot freakier than most girls I've met, wants to get peed on and shit. Due to her kid, she can't stay for multiple days, so we usually do dinner and sex when I'm in Vegas. 500 per date.
For context, I'd say all of these girls are on Siren's level looks-wise since many people here have seen her. None of them are definitely prettier than her though. It's bare with all of them, but I do get tested almost every 2 weeks so I try to stay clean. I see these girls every couple weeks, but it's a pain in the ass because I have to fly to them, except for the VA girl who drives to me. I'd prefer something local since it's cheaper and I could see them more often, but no luck. I've only been seeing the previous girls since about January, so nothing in my rotation is long term.
I always do DATY because I genuinely like to do it, not because I'm "fulfilling my duty" or just trying to lick her enough to get her wet to stick it in. I genuinely try to give the lady a great time, trying different angles, speeds, and technique and seeing how they like it. Most girls cum, and once they do I don't stop like I've done my job, I keep going because its so sexy seeing a girl squirming and moaning to me. It hasn't made an ounce of difference in how often I get SBs. Girls have never said they stay with me because I am good at pleasing them in bed, even though most of them cum and enjoy the experience.
I wish I could be attracted to Asians. It's a huge issue for me limiting my target range when I'm not in the position to be picky, but I just don't really like Asian looks. It's not that I can't get enjoyment having sex with them, but just it's very rare that I run into an Asian girl and I'm floored by her beauty.
Not dissing her, she's been kind and generally nice to me. But she did randomly ask me if I was seeing other girls after a couple dates because she said her pussy felt funny, and me being stupid I told her the honest answer. She immediately cuts off bare and says we have to use a condom from now on. Hearing the amount of you guys that she willingly barebacks with no questions, it just shows another example of how looks matter so much in the bowl. Even when we were seeing each other bare, she would always ask me to show my latest test results to her.
Every single meeting, I take her out for dinner and drinks, talk to her, ask her about stuff going on in her life, etc. We were once talking about starting a business and she was telling me that she loved hanging out with me because I was able to mentor her. That was all an act though, in between dates she would never text me, and since she pulled the condom requirement we've never met.
All of my dates are 500-700 WITH dinner and a hotel lol. Only Pasdetwat has never been to dinner with me, but she gives off a very pro vibe in that she's in, fucks, and leaves as soon as she can.
I wouldn't care about bare either if it was 200 PPM. I'm fine with taking it slow, but when it's 500+ a date, I want something that will differentiate it from seeing an escort. Sure, a date is multiple hours and an escort is 500/hour, but only 1-2 hours of that is in the bedroom, the other part is in a restaurant. I'm even sterile, so I can't get a girl pregnant and can enjoy bare without the worry you have for Siren pulling her IUD.
My game is great. I know this because in 2017, I decided to do exactly what you talked about, go talk to strangers. I went out 4 nights a week, every week for 4 months. I'd go to DC to clubs and bars, trying to pick up girls and also make friends in general. Went and looked up pickup videos and bought courses on upping your game. I eventually got into a partying group based around this promoter in DC who knew a lot of au pair girls that would go clubbing with us guys. We'd pregame at one of his friends' apartments in Arlington, then go to either Dirty Bar, Decades, or Living Room, party until the club closed, then go back to the apartment for afterparty. I know my game isn't an issue because I observed the dudes in that group, as well as the dudes who came around occasionally but didn't party regularly. The guys getting laid all the time were fucking morons with very little game, but they were decently attractive. The 2 that got laid the most were foreign and so didn't even speak English that well. One was South American and the other was Turkish. Meanwhile, the dudes that were not getting any were me and a couple others who were fat. It's funny, never once in 4 months of partying did I ever see a girl drop one of the hot idiot douchbags for one of the well-spoken, funny, conversational dudes that were average or worse. And man, the douchebags were such HUGE douchebags.
One of them once made his main girl, a hot German girl that he was sleeping with, wait outside the VIP at Dirty Bar while he was inside, making out with this other hot Swedish girl in our group. He was sitting on the VIP benches, and she was straddling him like she was giving a lap dance. They dry humped and tongue kissed for a good 15 minutes. His main girl had seen this in the beginning and furiously confronted him, and he literally told her to wait for him, and she did. He made out until he was content, then left the VIP and took his main girl back to her host family's house. I forgot if he told me they fucked in his car that night, but he definitely fucked her for a few more weeks or months before she finally left him. This dude had pretty bad game, average command of English in general, and lived with his parents due to being fresh out of college. Didn't stop him from getting that pussy. I know these events because I saw the VIP thing happen, and I know he fucked her in his car more than once because he told me.
The other Turkish guy also had a main girl, Argentinian au pair. He once had her over at the apartment and tag teamed another girl in the bedroom with his roommate while she waited in the living room. After a while, he came out butt naked and complained to her that his shoulder hurt really bad, and they made their way into the bathroom to see what happened. Once inside. He had her rub his shoulder for a bit, before he bent her over and fucked her. His dick probably was still wet from the other girl's pussy. This wasn't a case where his main girl was in on it enjoying a 3 some with her man, she literally was in another room while he fucked someone else, but she didn't care and fucked him afterwards. She told this story to me once when I was taking her home in my car. I tried to put the moves on her and started flirting, then after a few min touching her thigh, figuring maybe she was telling me stories of her getting fucked because she was flirting, or that maybe she was getting horny talking about that time. She instantly shut me down, told me to stop touching her. Harsh reality call about how ugly I was.
Point of the story is, I know why I don't get laid. It's because I'm fat, and being Asian while not attracted to Asians also hurts. My game is fine, many girls that I've talked to in a first meeting over dinner compliment me about how good I am at conversing or how they can talk to me so easily, where it's not that way with other guys they've met. I'm firmly convinced that being ugly or short are the worst possible obstacles to getting laid. Money is the next barrier but it's a fair bit less important than attractiveness, and race is a bit after money. Age almost doesn't matter at all for a man. If you're fit, it doesn't matter if you're 22 or 52, you can still fuck an 18 yo. Many women I've talked to even prefer the older, silver fox look.
Avoid Ultimatetrophy1993, her pic looks really hot but apparently she's crazy. I can't link because she blocked me, but see the screenshot.
She jumped pretty quickly to the conclusion that you were using the "covid excuse. " Is that why you're saying she's crazy?
I've used that excuse myself when I felt like bailing or at least delaying something that didn't feel right to me. If I were on the receiving end of it, I think I'd just be gracious about it nonetheless. My sense is that she has no problem burning bridges when something doesn't feel right to her. I envy that kind of decisiveness.
I was over 3oo pounds for several years. Did the whole diet and gym. It worked as long as I was disciplined. Food was everything. I loved food. It was my go-to for everything.
In 2020, I decided that enough was enough. I decided to get gastric sleeve surgery where the stomach is physically cut and reduced by 80%.
In less than 6 months I lost 100 pounds. Look 15 yrs younger and happier.
This comes with a price. I can not eat more than 4 tablespoon at any time. Eat more often though.
Medical insurance will cover this. Please do something similar, not for the love of pu$$why but because you want to be healthier and happier.
Will be happy to share doctors information etc. if you need.
Just to add to my physical profile before I start responding to people, I'm 6 feet tall, and over 300 pounds. I should be around 170-190, depending on muscle. It's a long way to go for me to get right physically. It makes it tougher because I run a company and that's so physically and mentally exhausting, and since I'm not a gym freak, going to the gym only adds to my stress instead of taking away from it. Plus food is a stress relief mechanism for me due to growing up poor where food was a reward for things like doing well in school. Regardless, nothing is going to get better socially for me unless I get fit, plus it's started to affect my health too. Just got to suck it up and do it.
I was over 3oo pounds for several years. Did the whole diet and gym. It worked as long as I was disciplined. Food was everything. I loved food. It was my go-to for everything.
In 2020, I decided that enough was enough. I decided to get gastric sleeve surgery where the stomach is physically cut and reduced by 80%.
In less than 6 months I lost 100 pounds. Look 15 yrs younger and happier.
This comes with a price. I can not eat more than 4 tablespoon at any time. Eat more often though.
Medical insurance will cover this. Please do something similar, not for the love of pu$$why but because you want to be healthier and happier.
Will be happy to share doctors information etc. if you need.
You just got to look at it differently, lose that weight for yourself, not to attract chicks. It is unhealthy being overweight and as you get older it will make a difference. You sound like to make decent cash since you can spend that much on SBs. Look to start working out 5 days a week in the gym, get a trainer to get you started and start to look at the workouts as stress-relieving and not stress-causing. Can you lose 100 lbs? Hell yeah! But you also got to cut back on food and work out. Stop looking to food as comfort. Get off carbs and start more veggies. 6' is not short. You are ugly because you think you are ugly. If you get fit, you'll feel fit and have a much better self image. Focus on yourself and chicks will follow. I know what I'm talking about because I used to be overweight when I was married. I can get chicks I want going to bars but I don't want to invest that kind of time. I'm busy at work, I want a sure thing when I want sex and I don't pay them to have sex with me, I pay them to go away when I'm done. SBs, escorts and UTRs fit the bill. And I only certainly spend a small fraction of what you spend but get sex weekly with hot chicks or what I consider hot (skinny, big natural tits and a face decent enough I wouldn't mind being seen in public with). You can do it, it's not physical, it's all mental.
I know I need to do it for myself, it's all about discipline. I'll go to the gym for a couple months and eat healthy, then I have to go on a work trip or I get sick or injured, and I stop. Then it's hard for me to get back on the train. I started working out again recently and getting on a diet.
Also I know 6' isn't short. I was saying that height and attractiveness are the main factors that girls care about, with money being 3rd, race being 4th, and age not mattering much at all. I'm fat and unattractive, not short.
Just to add to my physical profile before I start responding to people, I'm 6 feet tall, and over 300 pounds. I should be around 170-190, depending on muscle. It's a long way to go for me to get right physically. It makes it tougher because I run a company and that's so physically and mentally exhausting, and since I'm not a gym freak, going to the gym only adds to my stress instead of taking away from it. Plus food is a stress relief mechanism for me due to growing up poor where food was a reward for things like doing well in school. Regardless, nothing is going to get better socially for me unless I get fit, plus it's started to affect my health too. Just got to suck it up and do it.
As for my non-local rotation, I have one girl in Southern VA that drives up to me every couple weeks. 20's, great body, boobs are a little saggy but otherwise she's nice and toned. Face is pretty. Altogether, maybe a 7 or 8/10. Every time she comes up, I give her around a 1500 allowance for the weekend.
I have a girl in South Carolina. She's in the same boat as the VA girl, 20's, same body type, 7 or 8/10. Funny thing about her is she doesn't ask for a specific allowance, just said give her whatever I feel is fair. Usually give her a little less than the VA girl for the same weekend date.
Then there's one girl in Vegas, MILF in her 20's. Slightly thicker than the other two but still not what I'd consider curvy. Maybe slightly less hot, a solid 7 instead of 7 or 8. She's a lot freakier than most girls I've met, wants to get peed on and shit. Due to her kid, she can't stay for multiple days, so we usually do dinner and sex when I'm in Vegas. 500 per date.
For context, I'd say all of these girls are on Siren's level looks-wise since many people here have seen her. None of them are definitely prettier than her though. It's bare with all of them, but I do get tested almost every 2 weeks so I try to stay clean. I see these girls every couple weeks, but it's a pain in the ass because I have to fly to them, except for the VA girl who drives to me. I'd prefer something local since it's cheaper and I could see them more often, but no luck. I've only been seeing the previous girls since about January, so nothing in my rotation is long term.
I always do DATY because I genuinely like to do it, not because I'm "fulfilling my duty" or just trying to lick her enough to get her wet to stick it in. I genuinely try to give the lady a great time, trying different angles, speeds, and technique and seeing how they like it. Most girls cum, and once they do I don't stop like I've done my job, I keep going because its so sexy seeing a girl squirming and moaning to me. It hasn't made an ounce of difference in how often I get SBs. Girls have never said they stay with me because I am good at pleasing them in bed, even though most of them cum and enjoy the experience.
I wish I could be attracted to Asians. It's a huge issue for me limiting my target range when I'm not in the position to be picky, but I just don't really like Asian looks. It's not that I can't get enjoyment having sex with them, but just it's very rare that I run into an Asian girl and I'm floored by her beauty.
Not dissing her, she's been kind and generally nice to me. But she did randomly ask me if I was seeing other girls after a couple dates because she said her pussy felt funny, and me being stupid I told her the honest answer. She immediately cuts off bare and says we have to use a condom from now on. Hearing the amount of you guys that she willingly barebacks with no questions, it just shows another example of how looks matter so much in the bowl. Even when we were seeing each other bare, she would always ask me to show my latest test results to her.
Every single meeting, I take her out for dinner and drinks, talk to her, ask her about stuff going on in her life, etc. We were once talking about starting a business and she was telling me that she loved hanging out with me because I was able to mentor her. That was all an act though, in between dates she would never text me, and since she pulled the condom requirement we've never met.
All of my dates are 500-700 WITH dinner and a hotel lol. Only Pasdetwat has never been to dinner with me, but she gives off a very pro vibe in that she's in, fucks, and leaves as soon as she can.
I wouldn't care about bare either if it was 200 PPM. I'm fine with taking it slow, but when it's 500+ a date, I want something that will differentiate it from seeing an escort. Sure, a date is multiple hours and an escort is 500/hour, but only 1-2 hours of that is in the bedroom, the other part is in a restaurant. I'm even sterile, so I can't get a girl pregnant and can enjoy bare without the worry you have for Siren pulling her IUD.
My game is great. I know this because in 2017, I decided to do exactly what you talked about, go talk to strangers. I went out 4 nights a week, every week for 4 months. I'd go to DC to clubs and bars, trying to pick up girls and also make friends in general. Went and looked up pickup videos and bought courses on upping your game. I eventually got into a partying group based around this promoter in DC who knew a lot of au pair girls that would go clubbing with us guys. We'd pregame at one of his friends' apartments in Arlington, then go to either Dirty Bar, Decades, or Living Room, party until the club closed, then go back to the apartment for afterparty. I know my game isn't an issue because I observed the dudes in that group, as well as the dudes who came around occasionally but didn't party regularly. The guys getting laid all the time were fucking morons with very little game, but they were decently attractive. The 2 that got laid the most were foreign and so didn't even speak English that well. One was South American and the other was Turkish. Meanwhile, the dudes that were not getting any were me and a couple others who were fat. It's funny, never once in 4 months of partying did I ever see a girl drop one of the hot idiot douchbags for one of the well-spoken, funny, conversational dudes that were average or worse. And man, the douchebags were such HUGE douchebags.
One of them once made his main girl, a hot German girl that he was sleeping with, wait outside the VIP at Dirty Bar while he was inside, making out with this other hot Swedish girl in our group. He was sitting on the VIP benches, and she was straddling him like she was giving a lap dance. They dry humped and tongue kissed for a good 15 minutes. His main girl had seen this in the beginning and furiously confronted him, and he literally told her to wait for him, and she did. He made out until he was content, then left the VIP and took his main girl back to her host family's house. I forgot if he told me they fucked in his car that night, but he definitely fucked her for a few more weeks or months before she finally left him. This dude had pretty bad game, average command of English in general, and lived with his parents due to being fresh out of college. Didn't stop him from getting that pussy. I know these events because I saw the VIP thing happen, and I know he fucked her in his car more than once because he told me.
The other Turkish guy also had a main girl, Argentinian au pair. He once had her over at the apartment and tag teamed another girl in the bedroom with his roommate while she waited in the living room. After a while, he came out butt naked and complained to her that his shoulder hurt really bad, and they made their way into the bathroom to see what happened. Once inside. He had her rub his shoulder for a bit, before he bent her over and fucked her. His dick probably was still wet from the other girl's pussy. This wasn't a case where his main girl was in on it enjoying a 3 some with her man, she literally was in another room while he fucked someone else, but she didn't care and fucked him afterwards. She told this story to me once when I was taking her home in my car. I tried to put the moves on her and started flirting, then after a few min touching her thigh, figuring maybe she was telling me stories of her getting fucked because she was flirting, or that maybe she was getting horny talking about that time. She instantly shut me down, told me to stop touching her. Harsh reality call about how ugly I was.
Point of the story is, I know why I don't get laid. It's because I'm fat, and being Asian while not attracted to Asians also hurts. My game is fine, many girls that I've talked to in a first meeting over dinner compliment me about how good I am at conversing or how they can talk to me so easily, where it's not that way with other guys they've met. I'm firmly convinced that being ugly or short are the worst possible obstacles to getting laid. Money is the next barrier but it's a fair bit less important than attractiveness, and race is a bit after money. Age almost doesn't matter at all for a man. If you're fit, it doesn't matter if you're 22 or 52, you can still fuck an 18 yo. Many women I've talked to even prefer the older, silver fox look.
You just got to look at it differently, lose that weight for yourself, not to attract chicks. It is unhealthy being overweight and as you get older it will make a difference. You sound like to make decent cash since you can spend that much on SBs. Look to start working out 5 days a week in the gym, get a trainer to get you started and start to look at the workouts as stress-relieving and not stress-causing. Can you lose 100 lbs? Hell yeah! But you also got to cut back on food and work out. Stop looking to food as comfort. Get off carbs and start more veggies. 6' is not short. You are ugly because you think you are ugly. If you get fit, you'll feel fit and have a much better self image. Focus on yourself and chicks will follow. I know what I'm talking about because I used to be overweight when I was married. I can get chicks I want going to bars but I don't want to invest that kind of time. I'm busy at work, I want a sure thing when I want sex and I don't pay them to have sex with me, I pay them to go away when I'm done. SBs, escorts and UTRs fit the bill. And I only certainly spend a small fraction of what you spend but get sex weekly with hot chicks or what I consider hot (skinny, big natural tits and a face decent enough I wouldn't mind being seen in public with). You can do it, it's not physical, it's all mental.
She doesn't smell bad, but you still build up a smell, if you been working the whole day. I ask her many times doesn't she need to shower as soon as she gets to the hotel. She always declines. She didn't get the hint. She always use that as a reason why I can't go down. I have told her that I like DATY.
Did you ask her to shower when she gets to your place and she refused? Seems kinda nasty if that's the case, but if she just doesn't know she smells, and you don't tell her, I wouldn't judge her as harshly.
Just to add to my physical profile before I start responding to people, I'm 6 feet tall, and over 300 pounds. I should be around 170-190, depending on muscle. It's a long way to go for me to get right physically. It makes it tougher because I run a company and that's so physically and mentally exhausting, and since I'm not a gym freak, going to the gym only adds to my stress instead of taking away from it. Plus food is a stress relief mechanism for me due to growing up poor where food was a reward for things like doing well in school. Regardless, nothing is going to get better socially for me unless I get fit, plus it's started to affect my health too. Just got to suck it up and do it.
As for my non-local rotation, I have one girl in Southern VA that drives up to me every couple weeks. 20's, great body, boobs are a little saggy but otherwise she's nice and toned. Face is pretty. Altogether, maybe a 7 or 8/10. Every time she comes up, I give her around a 1500 allowance for the weekend.
I have a girl in South Carolina. She's in the same boat as the VA girl, 20's, same body type, 7 or 8/10. Funny thing about her is she doesn't ask for a specific allowance, just said give her whatever I feel is fair. Usually give her a little less than the VA girl for the same weekend date.
Then there's one girl in Vegas, MILF in her 20's. Slightly thicker than the other two but still not what I'd consider curvy. Maybe slightly less hot, a solid 7 instead of 7 or 8. She's a lot freakier than most girls I've met, wants to get peed on and shit. Due to her kid, she can't stay for multiple days, so we usually do dinner and sex when I'm in Vegas. 500 per date.
For context, I'd say all of these girls are on Siren's level looks-wise since many people here have seen her. None of them are definitely prettier than her though. It's bare with all of them, but I do get tested almost every 2 weeks so I try to stay clean. I see these girls every couple weeks, but it's a pain in the ass because I have to fly to them, except for the VA girl who drives to me. I'd prefer something local since it's cheaper and I could see them more often, but no luck. I've only been seeing the previous girls since about January, so nothing in my rotation is long term.
Your stats aren't to far off from my. I bet that at less half the SDs are old and overweight. I don't think its looks as long as your in the avg range. Remember all the hot girls get 100's of msgs. You need to have a introduction that will highlight you. Some girls take bad profile pics. Most of my SBs look better in person then their profile pics. I will meetup with girls who are borderline hot. Worth going through 10 avg looking girls to find that hidden hottie. Also helps if you stay current on what's popular now. A lot of my SBs forget that I'm 20 years older then them. Everyone games different, remember what works for you and build on it. I had SBs that all the guys in the forum couldn't get, and SBs that were rotating doors who ignored my msgs. Some of us are natural players, for those who are not it takes time to learn your strong points.
Learn to love DATY so many times the SBs so turn on that condoms are the last thought on their mind. They are use to young boys who only know how to receive and not give.
I always do DATY because I genuinely like to do it, not because I'm "fulfilling my duty" or just trying to lick her enough to get her wet to stick it in. I genuinely try to give the lady a great time, trying different angles, speeds, and technique and seeing how they like it. Most girls cum, and once they do I don't stop like I've done my job, I keep going because its so sexy seeing a girl squirming and moaning to me. It hasn't made an ounce of difference in how often I get SBs. Girls have never said they stay with me because I am good at pleasing them in bed, even though most of them cum and enjoy the experience.
My current rotation is very good. First one, slightly thick all natural blonde girl, 22, BBCIP and good sport. Reasonable allowance. She loves it. Second, tight bodied Asian / Thai girl, 22, cute face, needs protection, okay whatever still worth it for the tight body and the sounds / expressions she makes, she cums multiple times during our session which is hot. Third, 25, another all natural blonde with perky d-boobs, washboard abs, and tight ass, very hot and very expensive. She's low key and UTR. Not on BC and won't take any but allows BB with pullout. Fourth, brunette, slender, man made d-boobs, face is a 7 for me which is a bummer, trying to figure how to fit her into this. Fifth, hasn't started, petite blonde, upper 20's. Pretty face, very cultured, low key and UTR, asking a lot but promises a lot too, don't know how to fit in, may try once or twice then see if can keep.
I wish I could be attracted to Asians. It's a huge issue for me limiting my target range when I'm not in the position to be picky, but I just don't really like Asian looks. It's not that I can't get enjoyment having sex with them, but just it's very rare that I run into an Asian girl and I'm floored by her beauty.
Attraction is important to SBs, being able to take care of them financially is also important regardless of looks. They also like to see how you treat them, it's not like the hot girl can't get any number of younger guys to fuck, they don't want it because most guys their age are immature and don't have money. They don't want to deal with stupid shit from younger guys, so they find older men more their comfort zone. But they want you to look good, unless they are pros. BTW, siren is a sweet girl, so don't diss her. She is from a good family too. I do her once in a while as she is very submissive, then I take her out for food and drinks sometimes.
Not dissing her, she's been kind and generally nice to me. But she did randomly ask me if I was seeing other girls after a couple dates because she said her pussy felt funny, and me being stupid I told her the honest answer. She immediately cuts off bare and says we have to use a condom from now on. Hearing the amount of you guys that she willingly barebacks with no questions, it just shows another example of how looks matter so much in the bowl. Even when we were seeing each other bare, she would always ask me to show my latest test results to her.
Every single meeting, I take her out for dinner and drinks, talk to her, ask her about stuff going on in her life, etc. We were once talking about starting a business and she was telling me that she loved hanging out with me because I was able to mentor her. That was all an act though, in between dates she would never text me, and since she pulled the condom requirement we've never met.
Been in the bowl for over a decade. Physical attraction matters. Played in the bowl 30 lbs heavier and 10 lbs lighter than I am. Without a doubt, being in shape has landed me more pussy from hotter girls with less focus on allowance. Some girls have gotten clingy and have either given it up for free (not a regular thing like some guys say it is for them).
I have an SO, but suspect if I was single, or if I could legitimately say my SO knew and didn't care, I would be swimming in more pussy than I could handle. My "game" is relatively decent as well. I could pick up an 8 from a bar if I was traveling for work, but have found that a night of drinks is about as expensive as an allowance, but not always a sure thing, so seeking makes things easier. Am happy to say that every time I've paid for premium, I have had the luck of being able to seal the deal with at least 3 SBs.
Allowance amounts range from 200 - 500.500 is on the high end, and only reserved for pussy that is super hot. I will not add extras like dinner or gifts if I'm paying that range. As for going bare, it usually doesn't start that way. I've had a few SBs that would just slip me into them or jump on top of my junk before I could get the cover on during our first FC trip. Most of the time, it takes about 4/5 trips to the FC before they say something like, don't bother with the condom, or is they ask me not to wear it because it feels more intimate without one. If they go that route but get clingy, I usually drop them. It's why siren freaked me out. She would be riding my cock telling me she loved me, while begging me to cum inside her. She also let me essentially fuck her for free. Seemed really weird since she is supposed to be basically an escort, so I ran for the hills in case she decided to pull her iud and get pregnant.
I don't mind developing something more than just fucking with a SB. Most of the SBs in my rotation have been around for years at this point. No doubt they are genuinely attracted to me. I treat them well, but don't drop ridiculous amounts on them because With as many as I have in rotation, I'd be completely broke if I did.
If you're wondering about whether My SBs are hags. Just check my post history. I tend to go for white / Asian / light skinned latinas who are slim, average, or curvy (in the big tits, big hips, slim waist) category. I would categorize every girl I've bedded between a 6-9. I avoid 10's because I've found they want way too much emotionally, financially, and or mentally. I'm not looking to find a new SO (who is a 10 in my book). I'm just looking for something different every now and then.
If you're looking to up your game, lose weight and start having conversations with strangers (any strangers will do, just get your confidence up and get used to being able to hold a convo with someone). Do that, and if you're single, chances are that you'll be bedding girls without having to pay any allowance. The only reason I'm on SA is because I have an SO.
All of my dates are 500-700 WITH dinner and a hotel lol. Only Pasdetwat has never been to dinner with me, but she gives off a very pro vibe in that she's in, fucks, and leaves as soon as she can.
I wouldn't care about bare either if it was 200 PPM. I'm fine with taking it slow, but when it's 500+ a date, I want something that will differentiate it from seeing an escort. Sure, a date is multiple hours and an escort is 500/hour, but only 1-2 hours of that is in the bedroom, the other part is in a restaurant. I'm even sterile, so I can't get a girl pregnant and can enjoy bare without the worry you have for Siren pulling her IUD.
My game is great. I know this because in 2017, I decided to do exactly what you talked about, go talk to strangers. I went out 4 nights a week, every week for 4 months. I'd go to DC to clubs and bars, trying to pick up girls and also make friends in general. Went and looked up pickup videos and bought courses on upping your game. I eventually got into a partying group based around this promoter in DC who knew a lot of au pair girls that would go clubbing with us guys. We'd pregame at one of his friends' apartments in Arlington, then go to either Dirty Bar, Decades, or Living Room, party until the club closed, then go back to the apartment for afterparty. I know my game isn't an issue because I observed the dudes in that group, as well as the dudes who came around occasionally but didn't party regularly. The guys getting laid all the time were fucking morons with very little game, but they were decently attractive. The 2 that got laid the most were foreign and so didn't even speak English that well. One was South American and the other was Turkish. Meanwhile, the dudes that were not getting any were me and a couple others who were fat. It's funny, never once in 4 months of partying did I ever see a girl drop one of the hot idiot douchbags for one of the well-spoken, funny, conversational dudes that were average or worse. And man, the douchebags were such HUGE douchebags.
One of them once made his main girl, a hot German girl that he was sleeping with, wait outside the VIP at Dirty Bar while he was inside, making out with this other hot Swedish girl in our group. He was sitting on the VIP benches, and she was straddling him like she was giving a lap dance. They dry humped and tongue kissed for a good 15 minutes. His main girl had seen this in the beginning and furiously confronted him, and he literally told her to wait for him, and she did. He made out until he was content, then left the VIP and took his main girl back to her host family's house. I forgot if he told me they fucked in his car that night, but he definitely fucked her for a few more weeks or months before she finally left him. This dude had pretty bad game, average command of English in general, and lived with his parents due to being fresh out of college. Didn't stop him from getting that pussy. I know these events because I saw the VIP thing happen, and I know he fucked her in his car more than once because he told me.
The other Turkish guy also had a main girl, Argentinian au pair. He once had her over at the apartment and tag teamed another girl in the bedroom with his roommate while she waited in the living room. After a while, he came out butt naked and complained to her that his shoulder hurt really bad, and they made their way into the bathroom to see what happened. Once inside. He had her rub his shoulder for a bit, before he bent her over and fucked her. His dick probably was still wet from the other girl's pussy. This wasn't a case where his main girl was in on it enjoying a 3 some with her man, she literally was in another room while he fucked someone else, but she didn't care and fucked him afterwards. She told this story to me once when I was taking her home in my car. I tried to put the moves on her and started flirting, then after a few min touching her thigh, figuring maybe she was telling me stories of her getting fucked because she was flirting, or that maybe she was getting horny talking about that time. She instantly shut me down, told me to stop touching her. Harsh reality call about how ugly I was.
Point of the story is, I know why I don't get laid. It's because I'm fat, and being Asian while not attracted to Asians also hurts. My game is fine, many girls that I've talked to in a first meeting over dinner compliment me about how good I am at conversing or how they can talk to me so easily, where it's not that way with other guys they've met. I'm firmly convinced that being ugly or short are the worst possible obstacles to getting laid. Money is the next barrier but it's a fair bit less important than attractiveness, and race is a bit after money. Age almost doesn't matter at all for a man. If you're fit, it doesn't matter if you're 22 or 52, you can still fuck an 18 yo. Many women I've talked to even prefer the older, silver fox look.
Started talking to Hailey a while back, about 5 months ago. She went MIA, then randomly messaged me recently and asked to move to Whatsapp. On Whatsapp, we discussed what expectations were. She brought up that she's looking for 1. 5 k PPM. I told her I could do that for a weekend visit to NYC, come up Friday, hang out until Sunday. She laughed at me, I told her good luck.
Been in the bowl for over a decade. Physical attraction matters. Played in the bowl 30 lbs heavier and 10 lbs lighter than I am. Without a doubt, being in shape has landed me more pussy from hotter girls with less focus on allowance. Some girls have gotten clingy and have either given it up for free (not a regular thing like some guys say it is for them).
I have an SO, but suspect if I was single, or if I could legitimately say my SO knew and didn't care, I would be swimming in more pussy than I could handle. My "game" is relatively decent as well. I could pick up an 8 from a bar if I was traveling for work, but have found that a night of drinks is about as expensive as an allowance, but not always a sure thing, so seeking makes things easier. Am happy to say that every time I've paid for premium, I have had the luck of being able to seal the deal with at least 3 SBs.
Allowance amounts range from 200 - 500.500 is on the high end, and only reserved for pussy that is super hot. I will not add extras like dinner or gifts if I'm paying that range. As for going bare, it usually doesn't start that way. I've had a few SBs that would just slip me into them or jump on top of my junk before I could get the cover on during our first FC trip. Most of the time, it takes about 4/5 trips to the FC before they say something like, don't bother with the condom, or is they ask me not to wear it because it feels more intimate without one. If they go that route but get clingy, I usually drop them. It's why siren freaked me out. She would be riding my cock telling me she loved me, while begging me to cum inside her. She also let me essentially fuck her for free. Seemed really weird since she is supposed to be basically an escort, so I ran for the hills in case she decided to pull her iud and get pregnant.
I don't mind developing something more than just fucking with a SB. Most of the SBs in my rotation have been around for years at this point. No doubt they are genuinely attracted to me. I treat them well, but don't drop ridiculous amounts on them because With as many as I have in rotation, I'd be completely broke if I did.
If you're wondering about whether My SBs are hags. Just check my post history. I tend to go for white / Asian / light skinned latinas who are slim, average, or curvy (in the big tits, big hips, slim waist) category. I would categorize every girl I've bedded between a 6-9. I avoid 10's because I've found they want way too much emotionally, financially, and or mentally. I'm not looking to find a new SO (who is a 10 in my book). I'm just looking for something different every now and then.
If you're looking to up your game, lose weight and start having conversations with strangers (any strangers will do, just get your confidence up and get used to being able to hold a convo with someone). Do that, and if you're single, chances are that you'll be bedding girls without having to pay any allowance. The only reason I'm on SA is because I have an SO.
If I may, for you guys with multiple high-quality (looks and personality-wise) sugar babies in a rotation, can you describe your physical appearance, your usual allowance, what your rotation currently consists of, and what type of girls you go after? As mentioned, I don't have much luck with SBs, and I assumed it was down to my looks along with the type of women I prefer. It seems like for the men with the most success here, it's because they're attractive, rather than being huge spenders or whatnot, even though this is pay for sex we're talking about. Just wanted to see if that's true. I'll start:
I'm Asian, mid-30's, extremely overweight. I usually try to do a $400 PPM, but have never gotten women to agree to that. Normally I end up paying $500-$700 PPM. My rotation locally is non-existent, just the usual pro girls like Siren and Pasdetwat. Every other girl has been mostly a one-time thing, like with baby99_ that I just reviewed. I go after white or white-skinned latina girls 18 -30 years old with mostly thin physiques. I'd prefer model-type bodies but I'll settle for girls that look like they hit the gym regularly. Not a fan at all of curvy, black, asian, or any other type of women.
I didn't mean to convey with my review that everyone should avoid her. By all means, go for her. She's very attractive, if you like the pouty-face look. Thin waste with a nice firm ass, just her boobs are a little average compared to the rest of her body. If you're down for a condom, she's the perfect SB, and to me is at a reasonable price point for her looks and performance. My intimate date consisted of getting lunch, having sex, then cuddling and napping for an hour before round two. She's actually really great in the bedroom if you like submissive girls. Likes to be choked, hair pulled, ass spanked, arms held behind her in doggy, etc.
If you want bare, that's when it gets dicey. I was able to accomplish it by not mentioning anything beforehand, and when we were actually in bed, doing lots of foreplay to get her horny. When it was time, I just moved to penetrate her. She stopped me and asked for a condom, I told her I'm tested and clean and I can show her, then she said okay. The whole session went great, she was incredibly wet and passionate. It was only a week later that she started asking for more money and paying for the previous date.
If you're okay with 1 time bare in a really hot, enthusiastic latina, then take it. She might start wising up once multiple guys don't talk about bare and then just fuck her without a condom while telling her they're clean, and start asking during the texting period about using protection. If you're looking for a girlfriend that you can hang out with all the time, text with, etc and fuck bare with no extra payment, she's not the girl.
I have a question on how you guys keep a rotation going, without making it feel to the SBs that you aren't seeing them often enough. I now have 4 SBs that I had one full meet each, and a 5th one is in line, 3 of them are really hot, all under 25. They all want to meet weekly and long term, while skipping a week in between is okay. How do I keep all of them in rotation? If I keep 4 that means I'd be seeing them only once a month which is fine by me, but may not be okay with some of them, and they may start looking for other SD's. Well, may be they too have a rotation, I don't know, LOL. But at least in past some of them got anxious when I skipped more than 2 weeks. How do you successfully pull this?
I rarely see any in my home town. I look for a girl that's a 7 and has her shit together. My sweet spot age is 23-25. They're just past their prime SB years so they probably are not getting the offers they used to get. They also have a job / career. I'm 50 keep in good shape, dress well. They like going out to dinner with me. I usually expect them to be banging at least another guy. Right now I have a MILF who is 30 in DC and a 23 yo in NYC. The MILF is probably the most intense arrangement I've had. Every meetup has been an overnight and a couple travelling engagements with her. Pretty economical at 500 per meet. The 23 yo is a kinkster and as long as I'm finding a new way to degrade her she is OK with whatever frequency we meet. 400 per meet.
If I may, for you guys with multiple high-quality (looks and personality-wise) sugar babies in a rotation, can you describe your physical appearance, your usual allowance, what your rotation currently consists of, and what type of girls you go after? As mentioned, I don't have much luck with SBs, and I assumed it was down to my looks along with the type of women I prefer. It seems like for the men with the most success here, it's because they're attractive, rather than being huge spenders or whatnot, even though this is pay for sex we're talking about. Just wanted to see if that's true. I'll start:
I'm Asian, mid-30's, extremely overweight. I usually try to do a $400 PPM, but have never gotten women to agree to that. Normally I end up paying $500-$700 PPM. My rotation locally is non-existent, just the usual pro girls like Siren and Pasdetwat. Every other girl has been mostly a one-time thing, like with baby99_ that I just reviewed. I go after white or white-skinned latina girls 18 -30 years old with mostly thin physiques. I'd prefer model-type bodies but I'll settle for girls that look like they hit the gym regularly. Not a fan at all of curvy, black, asian, or any other type of women.
I didn't mean to convey with my review that everyone should avoid her. By all means, go for her. She's very attractive, if you like the pouty-face look. Thin waste with a nice firm ass, just her boobs are a little average compared to the rest of her body. If you're down for a condom, she's the perfect SB, and to me is at a reasonable price point for her looks and performance. My intimate date consisted of getting lunch, having sex, then cuddling and napping for an hour before round two. She's actually really great in the bedroom if you like submissive girls. Likes to be choked, hair pulled, ass spanked, arms held behind her in doggy, etc.
If you want bare, that's when it gets dicey. I was able to accomplish it by not mentioning anything beforehand, and when we were actually in bed, doing lots of foreplay to get her horny. When it was time, I just moved to penetrate her. She stopped me and asked for a condom, I told her I'm tested and clean and I can show her, then she said okay. The whole session went great, she was incredibly wet and passionate. It was only a week later that she started asking for more money and paying for the previous date.
Attraction is important to SBs, being able to take care of them financially is also important regardless of looks. They also like to see how you treat them, it's not like the hot girl can't get any number of younger guys to fuck, they don't want it because most guys their age are immature and don't have money. They don't want to deal with stupid shit from younger guys, so they find older men more their comfort zone. But they want you to look good, unless they are pros. BTW, siren is a sweet girl, so don't diss her. She is from a good family too. I do her once in a while as she is very submissive, then I take her out for food and drinks sometimes.
Blonde girl next door with all natural body, nice c-cup perky boobs, round ass, clean pu $$why. Loves to fuck and suck. She is extremely UTR and low volume. Chances are she won't respond. We went at it for sometime, but scheduling was difficult and flaky, missed dates, can't go for dinner or outside, have to be last minute etc. Dropped off eventually.
Looked promising, face isn't very pretty as expected, but not bad sometimes they show up better in person. Got to text, was down for anything, agreed to meet, then radio silence. Not pursuing anymore.
Real, DTF very quickly, no money asked but expects something, give whateever. On BC, ready for BBCIP. Go for it if you're really thirsty. Trouble is she's fugly for me, and I can't for the life of me fuck ugly girls, junior will not cooperate. Pu $$why kind of has a stench too, too many CIP perhaps. Wasted effort as she needed to pay me.
My current rotation is very good. First one, slightly thick all natural blonde girl, 22, BBCIP and good sport. Reasonable allowance. She loves it. Second, tight bodied Asian / Thai girl, 22, cute face, needs protection, okay whatever still worth it for the tight body and the sounds / expressions she makes, she cums multiple times during our session which is hot. Third, 25, another all natural blonde with perky d-boobs, washboard abs, and tight ass, very hot and very expensive. She's low key and UTR. Not on BC and won't take any but allows BB with pullout. Fourth, brunette, slender, man made d-boobs, face is a 7 for me which is a bummer, trying to figure how to fit her into this. Fifth, hasn't started, petite blonde, upper 20's. Pretty face, very cultured, low key and UTR, asking a lot but promises a lot too, don't know how to fit in, may try once or twice then see if can keep.
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