The Woodshed

[Low Baller]

Sir you made it personal with the statement "mentally incorrect". As you seem to somehow find yourself a scholar of some sort, mental is a personal state of being and not a general statement about a population or position. So, you can use that logic on yourself. And my statement wasn't a personal attack but a statement of reasonable logic from statements you make in your posts about how you treat these women and what you think about them. Your abusive attitude and tactics are destroying it for the rest of us, and your trying to force feed it down members throats by claiming you're the "man with balls" for negotiating and everyone else can have balls to if they act like you. This is laughable in so many ways. No question that most women like a strong man and respect this position, but abuse does not equal strong. And furthermore, as you have made it a point to bring up over and over; this is a financial transation. The provider does not pick who she is going to see based off how "strong" the person comes off, this statement alone suggests you are looking for some form of respect by your tactics. Since these girls are only intersted in the mighty dollar, in what world do they respect someone offering them the lowest amount at their most desprate time? I do not believe I am the one being illogical here. I brought up your past posts and obvious patterns of abuse not to personally attack you but to put into context that your idea of fun is not being intimate, it is power. This power trip, while by itself in a vacuum, does limited damage to the providers psyche that carries over farther than just your session. But when multiplied causes a total breakdown at worst, or them to reconsider the business or our area at best. Which hurts it for those of us looking for a different type of good time.

I get it, you get your validation from percived respect of "winning" a bidding war with the provider; and the sex is the by product. And there is nothing any of us can do to stop you, but this selfishness kills it for the rest of us. And to be clear, I want to draw a very distenct line between the tactics of Low Baller, and those of Powerhouse. From the information provided, Powerhouse seems to offer a provider what he deems a fair rate and if they do not accept he respectfully moves on. This is not necessarly what I am advocating against, it is the relentless need to bring the price down and taking advantage of desperate time or mood to do so. We are all taking advantage of these providers to a point, as they are of us. But kicking them when they are down is just so unhuman IMO.

Like I said, we see some the same providers, several of them know who you are from your intimacy desire and wanting to pay full asking price. As an example, the UTR provider we both see told me she gagged due to the odor coming from your jr. I gave her some packs of wipes from my car so she could wipe you down below the next time you visited. Point is, price is not everything, providers get turned off by mongers like you having odor down below. So, let's quit talking about paying full price as a way to get better quality and instead talk about better hygiene. We mongers complain when a provider has odor down below, well if we want them fresh down below, then we should also be fresh and clean down below. Maybe then we would have more out of town providers visiting Jax! Let's not scare them away boys.

[JustinCider904]

I understood every word written. Also, the lack of logic and critical thinking. Plus the personal attacks when attempts at logic failed. Noticed it all and understood it all. As for subjective, I am the one that raised that point and kept trying to keep the argument logical and on point instead of emotional and personal attacks.

Providers do not respect guys without balls who cannot make them a counter offer, it is that simple. Excuses, excuses can not cover up that fact.

Mongers, let's make this non-personal, providers jacked up the prices and we need to have the balls to make a counter offer for. 10 or. 20 less. Only then will providers respect us and their services improve.

Sir you made it personal with the statement "mentally incorrect". As you seem to somehow find yourself a scholar of some sort, mental is a personal state of being and not a general statement about a population or position. So, you can use that logic on yourself. And my statement wasn't a personal attack but a statement of reasonable logic from statements you make in your posts about how you treat these women and what you think about them. Your abusive attitude and tactics are destroying it for the rest of us, and your trying to force feed it down members throats by claiming you're the "man with balls" for negotiating and everyone else can have balls to if they act like you. This is laughable in so many ways. No question that most women like a strong man and respect this position, but abuse does not equal strong. And furthermore, as you have made it a point to bring up over and over; this is a financial transation. The provider does not pick who she is going to see based off how "strong" the person comes off, this statement alone suggests you are looking for some form of respect by your tactics. Since these girls are only intersted in the mighty dollar, in what world do they respect someone offering them the lowest amount at their most desprate time? I do not believe I am the one being illogical here. I brought up your past posts and obvious patterns of abuse not to personally attack you but to put into context that your idea of fun is not being intimate, it is power. This power trip, while by itself in a vacuum, does limited damage to the providers psyche that carries over farther than just your session. But when multiplied causes a total breakdown at worst, or them to reconsider the business or our area at best. Which hurts it for those of us looking for a different type of good time.

I get it, you get your validation from percived respect of "winning" a bidding war with the provider; and the sex is the by product. And there is nothing any of us can do to stop you, but this selfishness kills it for the rest of us. And to be clear, I want to draw a very distenct line between the tactics of Low Baller, and those of Powerhouse. From the information provided, Powerhouse seems to offer a provider what he deems a fair rate and if they do not accept he respectfully moves on. This is not necessarly what I am advocating against, it is the relentless need to bring the price down and taking advantage of desperate time or mood to do so. We are all taking advantage of these providers to a point, as they are of us. But kicking them when they are down is just so unhuman IMO.

[Low Baller]

I used a cars metaphore because a cars value is subjective much like a provider. Any car that does more than get you from point A to point B has a subjective value, just like all providers have a subjective value. What you find valuable about them could be a range of things from the way they look, feel, bragging rights, fit, comfort. The list goes on and on. But ultimately it is a means to an end. And to state that my (along with many others) view point is wrong without a counter reason is incredibly illogical. Your hangup is undoubtable pricing, which is why you are trying to get everyone else on this board to follow your lead, but you claim it is not about price. Really, 10,20, hell even 50 to 100 dollars is inconsiquencial for many of us, but for you it literally defines whether someone is worth your time. The reality is, unless they are desperate; you're not worth their time. And your so stuck on the trees you can't see the forest. Many of us want at least a few nice reliable girls we can see without worrying about issues, and want to see them regularly. Your tactics might get you a nut at a discounted rate in the short term, but adds to the hassle the provider goes through, and there are unfortuantly enough mongers like yourself doing the same thing, causing them to move to places like Orlando and Atlanta as Poke pointed out.

I understood every word written. Also, the lack of logic and critical thinking. Plus the personal attacks when attempts at logic failed. Noticed it all and understood it all. As for subjective, I am the one that raised that point and kept trying to keep the argument logical and on point instead of emotional and personal attacks.

Also, you seem to know a lot, but you have no proof, no statistical support, like your dictate saying offering mid-priced providers caused them to move out of town. Hence, you demanded I quit offering such providers less than their full price. And then some stuff that the poor providers are working so hard, it is mean for me to offer them less. I am so mean. Yep, I got it all, every jumbled, mixed up thought of it.

Point is, providers expect to have lower prices offered. The logic that these poor girls need to be paid their full asking price is simple provider=logic and silly.

Bottom line, I probably see the same providers you see and have the same fun with them and pay them. 50 or more less! If one gets his jollies paying more for the same provider and the same services, then that is cool, to each his own. But, do not attack me for paying less to that same provider you see.

Providers do not respect guys without balls who cannot make them a counter offer, it is that simple. Excuses, excuses can not cover up that fact.

Mongers, let's make this non-personal, providers jacked up the prices and we need to have the balls to make a counter offer for. 10 or. 20 less. Only then will providers respect us and their services improve.

[JustinCider904]

Providers are offering us mongers a service. Hence, comparing buying 30 minutes of FS fun from a hottie with buying a Lexus is mentally incorrect and just plain wrong. Services simply are not things and cannot really be logically compared with things like cars! Further, whether a monger likes to buy expensive cars, or cheap cars has nothing to do with a monger's desire for providers or for the coins he is willing to pay, and to compare those is a logic error and false.

Some argue that high quality provers will move away if mongers offer to pay the providers less than their asking price. As proof they point to the lack of quality in Jax right now. But, there is no reason a provider would move out of town because some mongers offered her less. In fact, currently many mongers are paying the full asking price, so I can use the same proof and say that the not negotiating has made the current lack of quality in providers. What is the reason for the current lack of quality? I do not really know; I have no answer. Perhaps it just runs in wave cycles.

I used a cars metaphore because a cars value is subjective much like a provider. Any car that does more than get you from point A to point B has a subjective value, just like all providers have a subjective value. What you find valuable about them could be a range of things from the way they look, feel, bragging rights, fit, comfort. The list goes on and on. But ultimately it is a means to an end. And to state that my (along with many others) view point is wrong without a counter reason is incredibly illogical. Your hangup is undoubtable pricing, which is why you are trying to get everyone else on this board to follow your lead, but you claim it is not about price. Really, 10,20, hell even 50 to 100 dollars is inconsiquencial for many of us, but for you it literally defines whether someone is worth your time. The reality is, unless they are desperate; you're not worth their time. And your so stuck on the trees you can't see the forest. Many of us want at least a few nice reliable girls we can see without worrying about issues, and want to see them regularly. Your tactics might get you a nut at a discounted rate in the short term, but adds to the hassle the provider goes through, and there are unfortuantly enough mongers like yourself doing the same thing, causing them to move to places like Orlando and Atlanta as Poke pointed out. A city where there are over a million and a half people should have at least a handful of decent providers, but the reality is I don't blame them for leaving after dealing with this day in and day out. Most other major cities are not like this (hell not even major, medium ones are way better), it sucks for those of us that look past the moment. Clearly from the posts you have given us your main desire is not just to spend some intimate time with someone, you demean the women and are proud enough to brag about it. My goal by having this open discussion is to hopefully catch the attention of quality providers that are reading this board, so they know there are good mongers out here that understand they are people too. While also hopefully offering a counter argument to deter others that have any interest in having long time quality providers. Quality is also very subjective, and clearly our definitions of quality are quite different; and that is okay.

Moral of the story, don't be this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgHcYxKjwVE

[Low Baller]

The fact that you focused on Toyota vs Ferrari shows that you missed my point entirely, or just disregarded it and focused on two extremes to prove your point. I comparded Toyota to a Lexus, and did so purposely because I have met many people that do not see a difference between the two that justify the price difference. If you are one of these people, then you will never understand; or at least not until you are in a position where the price is no longer the hangup on whether it could be considered. I completely agree that a single person offering a low price, or negotiating will not put someone out of business; I think we can all agree on this. However; getting flooded with these offers will make them move on. This is what I am advocating against. If you put a Lexus dealership in a market where the sales people are all tied up with offers at Toyota prices they are going to pack up business and go somewhere else their product is appreciated. This is what is happening in our market.

Providers are offering us mongers a service. Hence, comparing buying 30 minutes of FS fun from a hottie with buying a Lexus is mentally incorrect and just plain wrong. Services simply are not things and cannot really be logically compared with things like cars! Further, whether a monger likes to buy expensive cars, or cheap cars has nothing to do with a monger's desire for providers or for the coins he is willing to pay, and to compare those is a logic error and false.

Some argue that high quality provers will move away if mongers offer to pay the providers less than their asking price. As proof they point to the lack of quality in Jax right now. But, there is no reason a provider would move out of town because some mongers offered her less. In fact, currently many mongers are paying the full asking price, so I can use the same proof and say that the not negotiating has made the current lack of quality in providers. What is the reason for the current lack of quality? I do not really know; I have no answer. Perhaps it just runs in wave cycles.

Finally, offering a provider less does not mean I am suggesting to picking a swan for a car date while some big spending dude picks a young hottie at a fancy hotel. I say compare the same provider, at the same hotel and for the same service, but at different prices! That is, if Provider Hottie asks 200 for qv FS and a monger pays 200 without offering her less, then fine. But, for comparison, I contact the same Provider Hottie and I offer her 150 for the qv FS, which she accepts. I had lots of fun with the her, the only difference was that I paid 150 and the other monger paid 200! Perhaps some mongers get their jollies over paying, but I prefer to pay a fair rate that both the provider and I agree upon. No, it has nothing to do with what I can afford, the issue is simply to offer the provider less for the same thing other dues over pay for.

Negotiate! Negotiate! If a provider refuses your offer, then you decide if you want to pay her full price or try some one else. The choice is up to you, just as the choice is up to the provider to accept your offer or to see no one. With the quality and quantity so low right now, too many mongers just pay the full asking rate and as a result the providers have shot their asking rates to insane levels. Mongers – we all need to negotiate, for example, offer. 10 or. 20 less is all you have to do in order to enjoy the same provider for the same service at the same hotel that some mongers pay insanely high prices for. Besides, I believe providers do not respect guys who have no balls and are afraid to offer them less. So, mongers start lowering providers' prices now by offering them less. It will improve quality and services for us all.

[JustinCider904]

Understand, but the logic has a major error. Low Balling is Not comparable to buying a Toyota vs a Ferrari, instead low balling is about Not Over Paying for either that Ferrari or Toyota!

As for harming the provider market, negotiating, I. E. Offering less than a provider's asking price is not causing any negative effect. A provider and say no, and other mongers can then pay her full asking price. My offering her less will not ever make her quit the business. As for top quality providers, that is too subjective. Many providers I think are hags, others find attractive. Some providers I review as great, other review as avoid. Who know what is really a super hot provider, I know that many asking high prices are not, so I cannot use that as a measuring stick. But, assume there is a super babe provider and I offer her. 3 less than her asking price; I do not believe that will make her quit the business. If she is so hot, some other monger will pay her asking price. In a free market economy, negotiating for a fair price is crucial. So mongers, unless one gets his jollies by over-paying, we must keep offering less than those insane high asking prices given by providers.

The fact that you focused on Toyota vs Ferrari shows that you missed my point entirely, or just disregarded it and focused on two extremes to prove your point. I comparded Toyota to a Lexus, and did so purposely because I have met many people that do not see a difference between the two that justify the price difference. If you are one of these people, then you will never understand; or at least not until you are in a position where the price is no longer the hangup on whether it could be considered. I completely agree that a single person offering a low price, or negotiating will not put someone out of business; I think we can all agree on this. However; getting flooded with these offers will make them move on. This is what I am advocating against. If you put a Lexus dealership in a market where the sales people are all tied up with offers at Toyota prices they are going to pack up business and go somewhere else their product is appreciated. This is what is happening in our market. We live in a free market economy (which really is irrelevant here since this is not a legal transaction and lives by its own set of rules, or absent from them but I digress), and no one can stop you from doing what ever you wish. But my point is your (and others with this mindset) are forcing the Lexus' to pack up and go where they are appreciated and can make a living without dealing with being undervalued. It is true that there are times that you can negotiate someone down to a ridiculous rate or even down a couple of Hamiltons, and you feel very accomplished after this fact. That's great, though it is probably not a great quality to be proud of getting joy from making someone else feel less than (warranted or not). If saving a Hamilton or a Jackson will really make or break your decision or expereince then stick with the Harleys, and Bubbly Blondes, and swans, and stop chasing the Mid-Tier+ girls out of town for your own selfish reasons. Your tactics are not forcing prices down, they are forcing providers out and leaving the market with only dollar store material. Leaving only low quality over priced providers.

[Low Baller]

I agree with LB on negotiating with the low quality girls (99.9% of STG girls). But please stop doing it to the good looking young girls that start here or come through here. If you don't think someone is worth their price move on and quit fucking it up for the rest of us that do not want to fuck girls for or worth two Jacksons. If you don't believe a Lexus is better than a Toyota then stay with the Toyota, get a used beat up one and negotiate away. But stop trying to talk the Lexus down to used Toyota prices. Whether you think so or not, this is a large reason prices are going UP. Quality girls are constantly driven out of our area by douce bags that treat Beyonce's like Lizzo's, or Scarlette Johansson like Tess Holiday. Because there is no competing quality girls to set the market a swan can charge 80-100 QV because there are an abundance of horny dudes and not an equal amount of providers. Negotiating low prices does not set the market, supply and demand does. The supply here is very low and the demand is outragoues. There is a reason you don't find a Ferrari dealership in Green Cove Springs. And its not because there aren't enough Ferrari's. There are literally thousands of mongers in the city and surrounding area and only about 2-3 dozen regular providers..

Understand, but the logic has a major error. Low Balling is Not comparable to buying a Toyota vs a Ferrari, instead low balling is about Not Over Paying for either that Ferrari or Toyota!

What do I mean? Some people over pay big time when buying a car, while others know how to negotiate and get the exact same car for much less. If I am buying a Ferrari or a Toyota, then I will Not pay sticker and additional dealer profit fees and dealer add-ons (like pin striping, ha ha), nope I will negotiate for a much lower price. Some guys are afraid to negotiate, or think it is wrong and end up paying above sticker plus add-on feeds and additional dealer profit fees for the exact same car I bought for much less. That is exactly what I am talking about when I say as a general rule, always offer a provider at least. 10 or. 20 less than her original asking price. Why? Because, mongers like me will negotiate with providers from their asking price, and we will Pay Much Less than the mongers who refuse to negotiate will pay for the exact same fun with the exact Same provider.

So if one feels good paying much more than I pay for the exact same CFS with the exact same provider that is fine, whatever makes one happy is cool.

As for harming the provider market, negotiating, I. E. Offering less than a provider's asking price is not causing any negative effect. A provider and say no, and other mongers can then pay her full asking price. My offering her less will not ever make her quit the business. As for top quality providers, that is too subjective. Many providers I think are hags, others find attractive. Some providers I review as great, other review as avoid. Who know what is really a super hot provider, I know that many asking high prices are not, so I cannot use that as a measuring stick. But, assume there is a super babe provider and I offer her. 3 less than her asking price; I do not believe that will make her quit the business. If she is so hot, some other monger will pay her asking price. In a free market economy, negotiating for a fair price is crucial. So mongers, unless one gets his jollies by over-paying, we must keep offering less than those insane high asking prices given by providers.

[JustinCider904]

I agree wise Powerhouse too many guys are paying whatever the providers ask. Not only on STG but on all media such as Tryst guys seem to think they have to pay the asking price.

Fellow mongers please stop agreeing to these high asking donations. Understand as Powerhouse pointed out, when you overpay it causes consequences like decrease in the providers' services, lack of response to texts, poor services, etc. , and that all leads to you overpaying even more and more consequences!

Negotiate. Negotiate. Negotiate.

If you cannot negotiate, then at least offer the provider 10 coins less and say that is all you have. Remember, providers need your coins, they pay the room by the day and have food and candy needs, so they need your coins. Why have so many providers quit posting? If they say no too often, then they become homeless and you will find them walking along Phillips, etc. These providers cannot last by saying no if you offer them fewer coins. Whatever she ask for qv or hh offer her 10 or 20 coins less.

I agree with LB on negotiating with the low quality girls (99.9% of STG girls). But please stop doing it to the good looking young girls that start here or come through here. If you don't think someone is worth their price move on and quit fucking it up for the rest of us that do not want to fuck girls for or worth two Jacksons. If you don't believe a Lexus is better than a Toyota then stay with the Toyota, get a used beat up one and negotiate away. But stop trying to talk the Lexus down to used Toyota prices. Whether you think so or not, this is a large reason prices are going UP. Quality girls are constantly driven out of our area by douce bags that treat Beyonce's like Lizzo's, or Scarlette Johansson like Tess Holiday. Because there is no competing quality girls to set the market a swan can charge 80-100 QV because there are an abundance of horny dudes and not an equal amount of providers. Negotiating low prices does not set the market, supply and demand does. The supply here is very low and the demand is outragoues. There is a reason you don't find a Ferrari dealership in Green Cove Springs. And its not because there aren't enough Ferrari's. There are literally thousands of mongers in the city and surrounding area and only about 2-3 dozen regular providers. Guys, especially mongers, will eventually low their standards to what ever is available. Thats just reality, and a quick view of this board will confrim that real quick. If we had even 6-10 good looking clean providers (lets call these the Lexus') then the Toyota's would loose a lot of appeal for many of us. Of course there are plenty of mongers that just want a nut and don't care where it comes from, what the girl looks like, or even if she has an obvious cold sore on her lip while she gives a BBBJ. But I don't believe most of us are that person. If so this board wouldn't likely exist, and surely wouldn't be as popular. This isn't usadiscountpussy. Nl, though it could be a good start up venture for someone, and then we can get a board where they go there for the cheap crap and we can establish something better here.

[Kma2016]

Do you know that you're completely unintelligible? You should experiment with using sentences, and those sentences should have real words in them. It's even better when the content of those sentences jibes with reality.

Don't feed trolls. Just add to your ignore list.

[DWaltonXXX]

More gamgbou bullshit! Your hero chip east west was found facedown on a dope house yard and hauled off to jail. He showed the cops his wiener one to many times.

Do you know that you're completely unintelligible? You should experiment with using sentences, and those sentences should have real words in them. It's even better when the content of those sentences jibes with reality.

[RawDawg904]

More gamgbou bullshit! Your hero chip east west was found facedown on a dope house yard and hauled off to jail. He showed the cops his wiener one to many times.

Wow. You're stupid. No one will respond to you're garbage again. Go get a life, pathetic loser.

[AMnnos]

You boys out here pissing these girls off.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaneyBank...68074249969665

And her "No No's".

[Red Talon]

You boys out here pissing these girls off.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaneyBank...68074249969665

Looks like she forgot "filthy wh-o-re" in her list of "titles". Talk about a hypocrite, she takes dick for a living and has the gall to call others out. DERRRHHH.

[Ayenjael]

You boys out here pissing these girls off.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaneyBank...68074249969665

[NeckAuthority]

Just curious due to the choice of hobbyists here, anyone watch the interviews from the soft under belly?