"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FarFarAway]

Some good advice on this already. Let me add my 2 cents.

Your strategy depends on what your goals are. For me, the goal is to find one SB and make it last for awhile (1 or 2 years) and develop a friendship. While finding a suitable SB is an inefficient and frustrating process, I find it MUCH more difficult to END an SB relationship. Lots of things can go wrong here and it's hard to generalize. There is not much discussion about ending things on these forums. I suppose the most widespread practice is to stay anonymous and either drift apart or ghost. Six out of 10 of my last SBs from the last 10 years are still friends and we sometimes talk, and 4 of them have tried to return to me.

The profile is important, both yours and theirs. In your profile, spell out, as succinctly as possible, who you are (within your constraints of needing to be discrete) and what you want. Using humor helps. Your profile pics: A lot of guys are uncomfortable using real pics, so they find a pic of someone similar or they obscure their pic. In my latest attempts I've used no pic but just describe myself. I do think, however, that before meeting the woman in person you should send, via text, some recent pics of yourself. Sometimes I lose them at this stage, LOL. But I think it's only fair. Making a "meet and greet" as soon as possible is important. The communication in person is much more efficient. You should never lie and you should give information including pics as soon as you feel comfortable doing so. I am not very efficient at all on the SB sites, but I don't feel any guilt about how I have treated the women.

A well-thought-out profile by the woman piques my interest, though it could also mean that they are neurotic. Also, the word "fun" is a keyword the women often use to indicate that they are open to sex.

A rule of thumb is to go after a girl whom you might have dated when you were closer to their age. The 9's and 10's are out of reach for me, or I have to pay a huge amount, so I tend to avoid them. I'm happy with a 6 or 7. Another problem to anticipate is that because of differences in age and culture (how you grew up) you may not have a lot in common with these young women.

I really appreciate this post, we could have more of this, rather than 'what is on the menu of the girl in this profile' questions. For me, if I have spent a significant amount of time seeing a girl, more than a month or two, then I don't consider the idea of ghosting as viable. If we need to stop seeing each other, we need to talk about it. Of course, that is the sort of relationship I am seeking with a girl. YK, there is nothing more honest and open than an arrangement, because either of you can walk out at any time, with zero consequence. So, take advantage of that and speak directly. I was seeing a girl for 6 months, throughout we knew she would move to another state for a job once the pandemic settled down. Yes we're still in contact, I even saw her at Christmas. If we'd have had a little more time, we'd have gone to the FC, and I think it would have been zero allowance, b / c we are just that simpatico sexually, and IK that she hasn't been seeing anyone suitable to her in her new state. And she doesn't have a SA profile there either. I am definitely experienced in having one-off flings w / old GFs, of the sugar baby or other varieties.

[FarFarAway]

Some good advice there Snake! I'll add one small tweak I picked up reading these threads (FarFarAway?) Instead of sending a girl a picture through text, I use the attach pic function on SA, in the messaging section. I can get away with that when I 'splain I'm an OG and not too tech savvy. That usually sells it right there! The young ones see OGs in their life struggling with tech and assume all are dopes in that regard.

The point is that pics sent via text are FOREVER! While one can go back into their SA message with the girl and deleted the pic. I usually do that ASAP if I have a M&G scheduled, or immediately after the M&G. That way, if a girl ends up being a wacko who flips out on me, it'll be harder for her to get my pic and post it somewhere on SM or the web. Then again, I tend to be pretty cautious.

Just a small modification, fwiw!

I hear you. I did come up w / that idea, and did it for awhile. However, I don't do it anymore, as it may have been responsible for me getting a profile banned for 'picture not of the person'. It is probably that someone I did that with, sending the photo in a message on SA, and then deleting it once she had seen it, reported me to SA. They were certainly able to go back to their archive and look at both my profile photos and my 'real' photo I sent through their message system. I don't want to have any of my real photos on the SA site as I have a SO. There practically is zero way to resurrect a profile that has been banned in this way. They want me to take a selfie holding my drivers license and then send a separate photo of the license to them. They 'promise' it will never get out. Those who trusted Ashley Madison w / their personal information lived to regret that decision. I won't make that mistake.

[Shampoo55]

Some good advice on this already. Let me add my 2 cents.



The profile is important, both yours and theirs. In your profile, spell out, as succinctly as possible, who you are (within your constraints of needing to be discrete) and what you want. Using humor helps. Your profile pics: A lot of guys are uncomfortable using real pics, so they find a pic of someone similar or they obscure their pic. In my latest attempts I've used no pic but just describe myself. I do think, however, that before meeting the woman in person you should send, via text, some recent pics of yourself. Sometimes I lose them at this stage, LOL. But I think it's only fair. Making a "meet and greet" as soon as possible is important. The communication in person is much more efficient. You should never lie and you should give information including pics as soon as you feel comfortable doing so. I am not very efficient at all on the SB sites, but I don't feel any guilt about how I have treated the women.

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Some good advice there Snake! I'll add one small tweak I picked up reading these threads (FarFarAway?) Instead of sending a girl a picture through text, I use the attach pic function on SA, in the messaging section. I can get away with that when I 'splain I'm an OG and not too tech savvy. That usually sells it right there! The young ones see OGs in their life struggling with tech and assume all are dopes in that regard.

The point is that pics sent via text are FOREVER! While one can go back into their SA message with the girl and deleted the pic. I usually do that ASAP if I have a M&G scheduled, or immediately after the M&G. That way, if a girl ends up being a wacko who flips out on me, it'll be harder for her to get my pic and post it somewhere on SM or the web. Then again, I tend to be pretty cautious.

Just a small modification, fwiw!

[Snake27]

I was very excited about joining SA after browsing profiles for a week. (I recently posted about having issues with paying for Premium. I ended up paying through the app, which does not accept discount codes. I was pretty disappointed by the support dept and their so-called billing dept, aka answering machine. I get much better support for services I pay less for.).

I've been Premium for about 10 days, and I've had a mixed experience. I expected the prospect of financial help to really motivate these young ladies. Instead, I am puzzled by the apathy & disinterest I am experiencing. The majority of my messages haven't been read. Most members don't check their messages regularly, are inactive, or take breaks for months at a time.

The responses I do get are mostly non-starters, ie they don't progress the conversation. It's just a quick "ok" or a 2-3 word answer to an open-ended question. You'd think they'd put some effort into it. Others have been worse. They simply ignore my message & try to direct me to Snapchat or phone numbers. The positive exchanges have been rare, but they do exist and I do believe I will meet women soon. I am just puzzled by the general indifference.

Some good advice on this already. Let me add my 2 cents.

Your strategy depends on what your goals are. For me, the goal is to find one SB and make it last for awhile (1 or 2 years) and develop a friendship. While finding a suitable SB is an inefficient and frustrating process, I find it MUCH more difficult to END an SB relationship. Lots of things can go wrong here and it's hard to generalize. There is not much discussion about ending things on these forums. I suppose the most widespread practice is to stay anonymous and either drift apart or ghost. Six out of 10 of my last SBs from the last 10 years are still friends and we sometimes talk, and 4 of them have tried to return to me.

The profile is important, both yours and theirs. In your profile, spell out, as succinctly as possible, who you are (within your constraints of needing to be discrete) and what you want. Using humor helps. Your profile pics: A lot of guys are uncomfortable using real pics, so they find a pic of someone similar or they obscure their pic. In my latest attempts I've used no pic but just describe myself. I do think, however, that before meeting the woman in person you should send, via text, some recent pics of yourself. Sometimes I lose them at this stage, LOL. But I think it's only fair. Making a "meet and greet" as soon as possible is important. The communication in person is much more efficient. You should never lie and you should give information including pics as soon as you feel comfortable doing so. I am not very efficient at all on the SB sites, but I don't feel any guilt about how I have treated the women.

A well-thought-out profile by the woman piques my interest, though it could also mean that they are neurotic. Also, the word "fun" is a keyword the women often use to indicate that they are open to sex.

A rule of thumb is to go after a girl whom you might have dated when you were closer to their age. The 9's and 10's are out of reach for me, or I have to pay a huge amount, so I tend to avoid them. I'm happy with a 6 or 7. Another problem to anticipate is that because of differences in age and culture (how you grew up) you may not have a lot in common with these young women.

[SBmidlo]

I wouldn't recommend taking them shopping before you get some ass. There's plenty of tales on here about guys getting rinsed that way. Or at least make sure the bags of stuff she buys stays in your control until the deed is done.

I do not do that. It is just an icebreaker for messaging that gets a great response. That's all you're trying to do is get a response to get the conversation going to move offline.

[Zerry]

I was very excited about joining SA after browsing profiles for a week. (I recently posted about having issues with paying for Premium. I ended up paying through the app, which does not accept discount codes. I was pretty disappointed by the support dept and their so-called billing dept, aka answering machine. I get much better support for services I pay less for.).

I've been Premium for about 10 days, and I've had a mixed experience. I expected the prospect of financial help to really motivate these young ladies. Instead, I am puzzled by the apathy & disinterest I am experiencing. The majority of my messages haven't been read. Most members don't check their messages regularly, are inactive, or take breaks for months at a time.

The responses I do get are mostly non-starters, ie they don't progress the conversation. It's just a quick "ok" or a 2-3 word answer to an open-ended question. You'd think they'd put some effort into it. Others have been worse. They simply ignore my message & try to direct me to Snapchat or phone numbers. The positive exchanges have been rare, but they do exist and I do believe I will meet women soon. I am just puzzled by the general indifference.

Any profile with 1-2 photos and a AdjectiveNoun user name is a bot 90% of the time. GorgeousDreamer, MysteriousSiren etc. I think they are starting to throw It in the middle now to GorgiousItDreamer. Bots also seem to use average looking girls to appear more believable. Anyway, point being you can learnt to quickly rule out 90% of profiles and not even waste time messaging them.

Also if they are replying to your message without viewing your profile that is also a bot / scam. (Only premium members can hide that they viewed you.)

[RogerOver]

All good recommendations. I'll add that, for me, chatting them up about their Wishlist can be a good icebreaker. They must get a notification when we look at it. I've had several reach out who have been ghosting me after they saw that I viewed it. If you haven't heard back from them send a message telling them you want to take them shopping for whatever you see on their list. Something along the lines of "we should meetup so that I can take you toys, perfume, or shoe shopping" I am talking about in person shopping. NEVER offer to buy anything off of the overpriced Wishlist through SA. You'll waste money and still never meet them IMO .

I wouldn't recommend taking them shopping before you get some ass. There's plenty of tales on here about guys getting rinsed that way. Or at least make sure the bags of stuff she buys stays in your control until the deed is done.

[SBmidlo]

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Maybe others have ideas of "what works" and could share them?

All good recommendations. I'll add that, for me, chatting them up about their Wishlist can be a good icebreaker. They must get a notification when we look at it. I've had several reach out who have been ghosting me after they saw that I viewed it. If you haven't heard back from them send a message telling them you want to take them shopping for whatever you see on their list. Something along the lines of "we should meetup so that I can take you toys, perfume, or shoe shopping" I am talking about in person shopping. NEVER offer to buy anything off of the overpriced Wishlist through SA. You'll waste money and still never meet them IMO .

[Shampoo55]

Scammer https://members.seeking.com/member/5...b-3ded2f2f7518.

What a bargain! Wants money on Cashapp to chat just to make the cut to be able to talk to her. This is the reply that she sent to a message:

"Hi there! Due to the overwhelming amount of messages I receive, I am trying to weed out the people who aren't serious. If you are, please send a deposit of $20 to cash app $jennajennajenna1 and then send a message if complete. You will receive a special thank you in return to show you have been favorited. Thank you for your time and interest!

Yeah, and she probably makes some pretty good coin from the numerous Simps who fork over $20 and then get ghosted! Just say NO! To ANY money up front scheme!

[Shampoo55]

I was very excited about joining SA after browsing profiles for a week. (I recently posted about having issues with paying for Premium. I ended up paying through the app, which does not accept discount codes. I was pretty disappointed by the support dept and their so-called billing dept, aka answering machine. I get much better support for services I pay less for.).

I've been Premium for about 10 days, and I've had a mixed experience. I expected the prospect of financial help to really motivate these young ladies. Instead, I am puzzled by the apathy & disinterest I am experiencing. The majority of my messages haven't been read. Most members don't check their messages regularly, are inactive, or take breaks for months at a time.

The responses I do get are mostly non-starters, ie they don't progress the conversation. It's just a quick "ok" or a 2-3 word answer to an open-ended question. You'd think they'd put some effort into it. Others have been worse. They simply ignore my message & try to direct me to Snapchat or phone numbers. The positive exchanges have been rare, but they do exist and I do believe I will meet women soon. I am just puzzled by the general indifference.

1. Patience If you expect a reply from every message you send you'll be frustrated. Hit rate is prolly 20%.

2. Hit as many profiles as you are interested in. If yer looking for good sex 6,7, & 8's can do that too. If yer looking for a beauty queen, competition is tough.

3. Check when the girl was last online, anything over 2-weeks, I avoid or don't expect a reply.

4. If one is not getting replies, perhaps take a look at what is in your opening line?? Need to get them interested in the 1st 10 words, since that is what they can see before opening the message. Also take a look at your profile. You are SELLING YOU, so need to make sure you put your best foot forward.

5. Don't treat them or approach them like they are escorts. They are, but they want to have the illusion of not being a prostitute.

6. Win them over with charm and a fun personality, not just how thick is your wallet. Girls get HUNDREDS of messages, make your self stand out from the idiots!

7. Put in the TIME it takes to make this work. It takes A LOT of time! Learning curve can be steep to start.

8. A girl sending you to SnapChat is likely going to try to get you to buy content- * But that can be dealt with.

9. Girls directing you to their number right away? IMHO that's a good thing! You CAN NOT talk about the details of sugar on the site, so you need to get convo offline. Plus texting seems to get a faster reply that onsite messages.

Maybe others have ideas of "what works" and could share them?

[SBmidlo]

Scammer https://members.seeking.com/member/5...b-3ded2f2f7518.

What a bargain! Wants money on Cashapp to chat just to make the cut to be able to talk to her. This is the reply that she sent to a message:

"Hi there! Due to the overwhelming amount of messages I receive, I am trying to weed out the people who aren't serious. If you are, please send a deposit of $20 to cash app $jennajennajenna1 and then send a message if complete. You will receive a special thank you in return to show you have been favorited. Thank you for your time and interest!

[RogerOver]

I love the "not a prostitute" note.

"But I'll take money for access to my pussy".

[Tidad]

When SA doesn't work, https://members.seeking.com/member/2...b-636a996c5017.

Some of them post on STG https://richmond.skipthegames.com/fe...y/602296338553.

Pretty sure it's the same girl by the cursive tat on the shoulder?

Anyway, if it is, checkout the rate on the Escort forum before you commit to a big allowance on SA.

I love the "not a prostitute" note.

[SBmidlo]

When SA doesn't work, https://members.seeking.com/member/2...b-636a996c5017.

Some of them post on STG https://richmond.skipthegames.com/fe...y/602296338553.

Pretty sure it's the same girl by the cursive tat on the shoulder?

Anyway, if it is, checkout the rate on the Escort forum before you commit to a big allowance on SA.

[Zerry]

What is your screen name on SA?

NiceNutsNerd.