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[ThrobbinWood]

Anyone who knew Bob's stand up humor would probably agree that he would have found this ad (posted by a hooker) commemorating his passing pretty hilarious.

https://escortalligator.com.listcraw...eland/73275333

I don't see any mention of Saget in this ad. Did I miss something.

[SR7D1]

Anyone who knew Bob's stand up humor would probably agree that he would have found this ad (posted by a hooker) commemorating his passing pretty hilarious.

https://escortalligator.com.listcraw...eland/73275333

She looks very much like him, I can see why she mourns his passing.

[RavensBurg]

Anyone who knew Bob's stand up humor would probably agree that he would have found this ad (posted by a hooker) commemorating his passing pretty hilarious.

https://escortalligator.com.listcraw...eland/73275333

[Hotrodvfr]

I agree with much of Asmoth's advice, but have a little to add. First a disclaimer. Find a lawyer to give you legal advice. Anything I post here is my opinion and is no substitute for legal advice from your attorney.

#1. Don't lie to the police. Before answering anything, ask if you are free to leave. If they say no, then ask if you are under arrest. If you are not under arrest but still not free to leave, go to step 2.

#2. Tell them your name, address, phone number, and any other directory information they might request. Date of birth, place of birth, height, and weight would also fall into that category.

#3. Do not talk about anything else except your desire to leave or have an attorney consultation before going forward or taking any other actions.

#4. Be polite. It costs you nothing to be polite, and my pay dividends later. Keep in mind, you might beat the rap but you can't beat the ride. Being polite might get you a summons to appear in court rather than a trip to jail.

#5. Assume that every word you utter is being recorded, because it is being recorded.

The police are holding all the cards until you hire an attorney or appear in court. Hopefully your request for an attorney, will stop the questions from the police. If it doesn't stop the questioning, continue being polite but resist answering any other questions.

Perfectly said. Golden rule, no body talks everybody walks. You will never talk your way out of trouble with cops but far too many people talk their way into it. Just calmly say I'd like to discuss with an attorney before making any statement.

[Valdez]

As a guy who's had multiple run ins with cops in this hobby I can tell you with 💯% certainty.

If you get to the needing an attorney as more than just an excuse to not talk to the cops point, you've probably already incriminated yourself.

My longest detainment was 72 hours over twenty years ago and I actually sued afterward and won some money from the police department in a settlement from it.

They busted in on a room through an anointing hotel room, where you can walk through to the other room in like a closet door at a motel as I was getting undressed.

Tried to get me to admit I was there for solicitation and I just calmly put my clothes back on and told them I don't speak to police and asked if I could go.

They told me no and handcuffed me and tried all the tricks, we will tow your car, we will arrest you, we will call our job etc etc.

I just sat there handcuffed on a hotel bed, telling them I don't speak with law enforcement and asked how long I would be detained which just pissed them off.

The cops had a camera hidden in the room I later found out in the case I sued them for as it came up in discovery so it captured them ignoring my attempts to remain silent and trying to coerce me into talking.

They then transported me to the local PD and kept me in an interrogation room for a few hours then housed me in the holding cell while I texted and called my job to tell them some personal matters came up and I couldn't come in for up to three days. (Knowing they couldn't hold me longer without charging me) my job was pissed but didn't fire me because I technically called off.

Then let my family know where I was and all that and essentially just kept denying to talk to them about the case while they fed me Burger King and let me stay in the jail.

On the third day, I was woke up and told to gather my shit and come with the cop, I did and they threw me back my coat and my keys to my care and told me I was free to go, so I took a cab back to the motel, grabbed my car and drove home with no charges to my name.

The part that most people fuck up is they are weak and bend to the intimidation of the cops and self incriminate.

Don't be a pussy and shut your mouth, you'll walk away every time.

I agree with much of Asmoth's advice, but have a little to add. First a disclaimer. Find a lawyer to give you legal advice. Anything I post here is my opinion and is no substitute for legal advice from your attorney.

#1. Don't lie to the police. Before answering anything, ask if you are free to leave. If they say no, then ask if you are under arrest. If you are not under arrest but still not free to leave, go to step 2.

#2. Tell them your name, address, phone number, and any other directory information they might request. Date of birth, place of birth, height, and weight would also fall into that category.

#3. Do not talk about anything else except your desire to leave or have an attorney consultation before going forward or taking any other actions.

#4. Be polite. It costs you nothing to be polite, and may pay dividends later. Keep in mind, you might beat the rap but you can't beat the ride. Being polite might get you a summons to appear in court rather than a trip to jail.

#5. Assume that every word you utter is being recorded, because it is being recorded.

The police are holding all the cards until you hire an attorney or appear in court. Hopefully your request for an attorney, will stop the questions from the police. If it doesn't stop the questioning, continue being polite but resist answering any other questions. Most of us do not have an attorney a retainer, but you can hire one when you are free, or ask the court to appoint someone if you are arrested and don't have the funds to hire someone. Hopefully you will never have to think about this again.

[Asmoth]

As a guy who's had multiple run ins with cops in this hobby I can tell you with 💯% certainty.

If you get to the needing an attorney as more than just an excuse to not talk to the cops point, you've probably already incriminated yourself.

My longest detainment was 72 hours over twenty years ago and I actually sued afterward and won some money from the police department in a settlement from it.

They busted in on a room through an anointing hotel room, where you can walk through to the other room in like a closet door at a motel as I was getting undressed.

Tried to get me to admit I was there for solicitation and I just calmly put my clothes back on and told them I don't speak to police and asked if I could go.

They told me no and handcuffed me and tried all the tricks, we will tow your car, we will arrest you, we will call our job etc etc.

I just sat there handcuffed on a hotel bed, telling them I don't speak with law enforcement and asked how long I would be detained which just pissed them off.

The cops had a camera hidden in the room I later found out in the case I sued them for as it came up in discovery so it captured them ignoring my attempts to remain silent and trying to coerce me into talking.

They then transported me to the local PD and kept me in an interrogation room for a few hours then housed me in the holding cell while I texted and called my job to tell them some personal matters came up and I couldn't come in for up to three days. (Knowing they couldn't hold me longer without charging me) my job was pissed but didn't fire me because I technically called off.

Then let my family know where I was and all that and essentially just kept denying to talk to them about the case while they fed me Burger King and let me stay in the jail.

On the third day, I was woke up and told to gather my shit and come with the cop, I did and they threw me back my coat and my keys to my care and told me I was free to go, so I took a cab back to the motel, grabbed my car and drove home with no charges to my name.

The part that most people fuck up is they are weak and bend to the intimidation of the cops and self incriminate.

Don't be a pussy and shut your mouth, you'll walk away every time.

[Chunks92]

I was being questioned one time and I said my attorney told me not to say anything. The cop said who's your attorney? I gave him my CPA's name who was at the time an attorney and it shut him up LOL.

I have a decent attorney as well but not sure how versed he is in this type of thing. I'm going to start a thread on Cheech's legal board when I get the time to type it up.

[RickMann]

So its interesting that you say that, i have a few attorneys in mind who i would call in a pinch that i know i could get something reduced for sure, but I have been on the fence about having that conversation with an excellent woman attorney in my area. I've actually wondered if that would be beneficial or not, I know that not all attorneys are ethical. I've always thought it could go either way as far as having a female attorney goes in this type of situation in an extreme way, either A: she's going to think you're a creep or a pig for getting wrapped up in this type of case and sabotage you, or B: she's going to realize Dave Yost and the gestapo are infringing on women's rights by setting these stings up in the first place and fight for you to get a dismissal. I know that all attorneys "should zealously defend their client in a court of law," but if you've ever watched the movies you know that isn't true. I might give it a shot and talk to her soon and try to get a read on her take of the whole situation of these stings, appreciate this post.

if you Cheech or anyone has additional input on this definitely interested in ideas.

I was being questioned one time and I said my attorney told me not to say anything. The cop said who's your attorney? I gave him my CPA's name who was at the time an attorney and it shut him up LOL.

[Cheech1]

We should have significant discussion on the matter, among us. Also, we should move this discussion to the legal thread.

Cheech.

[Chunks92]

Everyone should have a lawyer. They don't have to be "On retainer," but its a good idea if possible for you to find a lawyer that you would want to use, then look around in your life for some situation however small that you would like legal advice for, even if its something like a neighbors tree hanging over your fence, or any potential problem. Just something that you could talk to the guy, or better yet woman, and pay them for their time. This could cost $150.00 for a half hour cup of coffee. Pay them in cash.

I say this because you are now a paying client of an attorney, and, more importantly, they have met you so know who you are and you HAVE PAID them. This is very important if you want to have serious legal representation available because a lawyer knows that if they don't get paid up front then they have to collect, and if they lose a case and their client goes to the joint they won't get paid because the client is in the joint. So if you were willing to pay them for a little advice, and they like cash, you now have street cred.

Also, although I will say that my attorney is Rick Perez in Lake county, who is the former partner of the Lake county prosecutor and is very well connected, having a woman for your attorney works in your favor because a really good female attorney is a bulldog and will generally fight like hell in these kinds of cases because she doesn't want to be perceived as not being zealous because of the situation.

Cheech.

So its interesting that you say that, i have a few attorneys in mind who i would call in a pinch that i know i could get something reduced for sure, but I have been on the fence about having that conversation with an excellent woman attorney in my area. I've actually wondered if that would be beneficial or not, I know that not all attorneys are ethical. I've always thought it could go either way as far as having a female attorney goes in this type of situation in an extreme way, either A: she's going to think you're a creep or a pig for getting wrapped up in this type of case and sabotage you, or B: she's going to realize Dave Yost and the gestapo are infringing on women's rights by setting these stings up in the first place and fight for you to get a dismissal. I know that all attorneys "should zealously defend their client in a court of law," but if you've ever watched the movies you know that isn't true. I might give it a shot and talk to her soon and try to get a read on her take of the whole situation of these stings, appreciate this post.

if you Cheech or anyone has additional input on this definitely interested in ideas.

[Cheech1]

Everyone should have a lawyer. They don't have to be "On retainer," but its a good idea if possible for you to find a lawyer that you would want to use, then look around in your life for some situation however small that you would like legal advice for, even if its something like a neighbors tree hanging over your fence, or any potential problem. Just something that you could talk to the guy, or better yet woman, and pay them for their time. This could cost $150.00 for a half hour cup of coffee. Pay them in cash.

I say this because you are now a paying client of an attorney, and, more importantly, they have met you so know who you are and you HAVE PAID them. This is very important if you want to have serious legal representation available because a lawyer knows that if they don't get paid up front then they have to collect, and if they lose a case and their client goes to the joint they won't get paid because the client is in the joint. So if you were willing to pay them for a little advice, and they like cash, you now have street cred.

Also, although I will say that my attorney is Rick Perez in Lake county, who is the former partner of the Lake county prosecutor and is very well connected, having a woman for your attorney works in your favor because a really good female attorney is a bulldog and will generally fight like hell in these kinds of cases because she doesn't want to be perceived as not being zealous because of the situation.

Cheech.

[AsianBlowjob]

From the news article:

Officers spotted a man coming out of the suspect's room Nov. 10 and stopped him for a lane-change violation on Lorain Road. The man said he had been seeing the woman on a regular basis for about five years and paid for sexual favors.

Very similar to the tactics they used in the Robert Kraft case. All the guy had to do was keep his mouth shut and take the traffic ticket. Remember- nobody talks, everybody walks.

Not to disagree with the meat and potatoes of your post, but Bob and his driver were not ticketed. They were warned to drive safer.

They had Bobby on camera getting blown by a 60+ year old Asian. They also had an illegal warrant to place the camera in the room. The traffic stop was just to confirm what they already knew in terms of names and who to arrest when the time came.

Tl: dr.

He was caught on camera getting a beejay. He was pulled over for some BS traffic stop. He kept his mouth shut, had the $$ to defend himself, and won.

[Chunks92]

I had answered the ad that I believe they were using. I passed because the messages were sounding a little off and I was already busy when they said they could see me. I was given an address for an apartment building and that's where the I later saw that the busts were taking place. I figure I dodged one by intuition and being busy. My lucky day.

Thanks brother, that's what I thought. Also to save yourself headaches in the future revealname. Com if you search the number in there it probably would have come up as VOIP. The task forces use VOIP because they text you off their computers. Also the sting ads won't have any intel if you google the number because there probably were no previous ads for them and if they were they were used a significant amount of time in the past. I know you're a vet just providing more methods for us to dodge them even before we reach out to the ad. Thanks again for the info brother!

[One Good Tug]

In short -- you need a criminal defense attorney in this situation. Technically / legally speaking, you don't "have a lawyer" until you retrain (pay for) one. I highly doubt anyone here would be involved in so much shit that you have a criminal defense lawyer on a paid monthly retainer just in case you get into trouble. You may have a firm on retainer for other issues and they may subcontract with a criminal defense attorney if needed but I don't know much about that.

If this happens to you and you (absolutely should) invoke your 5th amendment rights, you don't need to "have" an attorney or even know one. You can still be provided with a public defender free of charge. Even if it is to just help get you out on bail until you can call someone else. To clarify, if things get to this point, you will be arrested and charged. Its just a matter of A) are you going to be held in custody for a few hours to get things sorted out or B) are you going to give yourself up, still be arrested, but released right then and there. The councilperson went with option B.

LE uses the perceived complexity of the legal system against you. Don't let them, ever.

I am NOT an expert in this crap -- so others who know better, please correct me.

I think we all agree that if LE detains you do not say anything without legal council. Miranda rights say: "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court. You have the right to talk to a lawyer for advice before we ask you any questions. You have the right to have a lawyer with you during questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present, you have the right to stop answering at any time".

Which brings me to a bigger question. Does anyone have any experience with legal council that they can recommend if any of us ever get busted? Would not be a bad idea to have an attorney's contact information in your phone if something ever goes wrong during an encounter.

Anyone got a recommendation? Also what was the cost?

[Rafter17]

Did they run this sting out of an apartment complex? I checked the auditors site doesn't look like they used a land bank owned sting house. Based on my research only addresses in the 300 block of washington ave it could have been were a private citizen owned home and a bunch of apartments. Would be good knowledge for all of us going forward if you know. Thanks brother.

I had answered the ad that I believe they were using. I passed because the messages were sounding a little off and I was already busy when they said they could see me. I was given an address for an apartment building and that's where the I later saw that the busts were taking place. I figure I dodged one by intuition and being busy. My lucky day.