Trying this Sugar Baby thing.

[Djapa1234]

Stay with the 25-40 single moms and you will find a whole lot less nonsense and a whole lot more action. They're overworked and underappreciated. If they will engage in an intelligent text conversation over several days, they're a lot more likely to follow through. And there's a whole lot of them looking to be treated nicely. Last time out, I met seven, banged five without m / g, banged four more than once, never paid more than 250 ppm and found a keeper that's lasted more than a year. Single means less likely to be committed to the program, under 25 means a whole lot more work and a whole lot more drama.

Yep, I cannot disagree. Most women I had success with were single moms, mostly older, or girls from out of town where I supposed they are not as inundated as here in Charlotte.

I am still hesitant to get these women to come straight over to my place, I've had some bad experiences where I had to turn them away as I was being catfished like a mofo.

[Emjay]

That sounds disgusting, LOL.

You have a link to that poster's review? Was it Charlotte or outside of Charlotte area, do you know?

I tried reaching out but she did not respond. I have seen another poster mention he came in her ass.

[PSeries]

Just curious, am I the only one who has met and smashed this one? BTW, this is a very old picture and she looks way bigger in life.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...c-c0fd605db839

Please report. She is very active on SA. I paid her zero dollars.

I tried reaching out but she did not respond. I have seen another poster mention he came in her ass.

[John HandCock]

I pay my current SB an "allowance" because it helps her convince herself that she's not be a hooker. LOL.

But in reality I see her once a week, then on Friday I Venmo her 1/4th of her monthly allowance, unless for some reason we couldn't meet up. Then she doesn't get paid.

So in reality it's no different than a ppm, but she thinks it is. Whatever. I play that dumb game for a cute and sweet 25 year old.

Exactly, no matter how you spin it it's ppm. I have tried allowance, paid at first of month and then it was up to the girl to make the meetings work. First time worked perfect for over a year. We moved on and my next 2 attempts the girls took the money and never heard from them again. So after that it's strictly ppm.

[Emjay]

Any insight into Mysterious Wonder? Anyone met her and smashed her? LOL.

Please PM if you can.

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...1-548750a8c178

[Hal1957]

Stay with the 25-40 single moms and you will find a whole lot less nonsense and a whole lot more action. They're overworked and underappreciated. If they will engage in an intelligent text conversation over several days, they're a lot more likely to follow through. And there's a whole lot of them looking to be treated nicely. Last time out, I met seven, banged five without m / g, banged four more than once, never paid more than 250 ppm and found a keeper that's lasted more than a year. Single means less likely to be committed to the program, under 25 means a whole lot more work and a whole lot more drama.

I agree, SA is crap ton of work. Getting numbers is super easy, but in the months prior to me stopping my paid membership, I must have gotten at least 200 numbers total and only got laid 4 times. Most of the women I talk to are either time wasters, want money upfront, scammers, etc. I am tempted to get back on it but my work productivity was dramatically down and have also wasted lots of time on meet and greets where women turned out to be catfishes. If I do get back on it, I will most likely make it a requirement to call / face time within several messages to diminish the time wasted.

[Bruco]

I think 300-400 is the norm for a pay per meet, sometimes less sometimes more, never heard of anyone paying these women allowances.

I pay my current SB an "allowance" because it helps her convince herself that she's not be a hooker. LOL.

But in reality I see her once a week, then on Friday I Venmo her 1/4th of her monthly allowance, unless for some reason we couldn't meet up. Then she doesn't get paid.

So in reality it's no different than a ppm, but she thinks it is. Whatever. I play that dumb game for a cute and sweet 25 year old.

[John Marigold]

I have not had any issues getting my credit card accepted at SB. You may want to try calling your credit card bank right before you're ready to try making the purchase again and notify them that you will be making a purchase for a certain amount and that you want the transaction to be processed. Tell them that it's for secretbenefits dot com and the descriptor is SEGPAY dot com (that is what will appear on your statement). This should work. Good luck!

How do you get on SB? It won't take any of my cards. From Credit Cards to Debit Cards. I even bought an visa card, put money on it and ti still declined it.

Do I need to go higher? I just take the lowest token which is $59.

[Djapa1234]

Just curious, am I the only one who has met and smashed this one? BTW, this is a very old picture and she looks way bigger in life.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...c-c0fd605db839

Please report. She is very active on SA. I paid her zero dollars.

[Djapa1234]

I'm meeting a MILF next week, upper 30's pretty and fit, but not 19 anymore. She actually seems kind of cool / charming and I prefer women over girls. I've been reading about sugar relationships and I've seen everything from $350 a meeting to $15 k a month.

Assuming I actually like this woman, what would you pay for a ppm? Can you keep it as a ppm or does it always go to an allowance?

Kindly give me some direct advice. It seems like the more I research the less I know.

I think 300-400 is the norm for a pay per meet, sometimes less sometimes more, never heard of anyone paying these women allowances.

[Djapa1234]

How do you get on SB? It won't take any of my cards. From Credit Cards to Debit Cards. I even bought an visa card, put money on it and ti still declined it.

Do I need to go higher? I just take the lowest token which is $59.

I have never tried it before. But seems to me you may have to get a walmart gift card, register the address online and then try again.

Major US bank credit cards are usually NOT working on these prostitution sites LOL.

[Djapa1234]

This one is real but is also a flake. I gave her a little upfront in exchange for some pics and vids which were pretty good stuff before the promised date. But she went ghost on me when it came time to meetup. Not answering my text or snap messages however still has audacity to request money through cashapp every few days. I'm not giving it but anyway YMMV but I doubt she ever agrees to meet.

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...e-40c2e8432758

She asked me to go meet her at her place of employment, was a waitress in lake wylie I think a few months back. I never go meet them at their place of "employment" LOL.

[Djapa1234]

I post public pics that don't show my face and then post the rest of my pics privately and share to select profiles I am interested in. This helps me obtain about a 30-40% conversion rate from message to receiving number. But SA is a lot of work and you need some time to be able to message / flirt / meet and greet etc.

Don't get me wrong it's usually worth it. Personally I've creampied both a professional athlete and model in the past year from SA but it takes time and effort on par with dating. Sometimes its better to go to a parlor and get full service for just over $200 bucks and the only time you have to invest is going to the parlor.

I agree, SA is crap ton of work. Getting numbers is super easy, but in the months prior to me stopping my paid membership, I must have gotten at least 200 numbers total and only got laid 4 times. Most of the women I talk to are either time wasters, want money upfront, scammers, etc. I am tempted to get back on it but my work productivity was dramatically down and have also wasted lots of time on meet and greets where women turned out to be catfishes. If I do get back on it, I will most likely make it a requirement to call / face time within several messages to diminish the time wasted.

[DollarBill50]

How do you get on SB? It won't take any of my cards. From Credit Cards to Debit Cards. I even bought an visa card, put money on it and ti still declined it.

Do I need to go higher? I just take the lowest token which is $59.

Would you say that SB has less scammers / spammers to weed through? People have reported on here how they have received messages from girls only to find out that these messages were NOT sent by these girls and appears to have been generated by the site / bots. I did have on SB reach out to me on a sub reddit asking me if I was interested to meet and turns out she moved to SB from SA as she claims it has less scammers as well. Seems like there is lots of contradictory info floating around about SB. One way to find out I guess is to pay for tokens.

[TjtjtJall]

This is a PHD thesis-level breakdown of the two major digital poon poaching environments available to depraved folks such as us. I appreciate the detailed analysis, and overall agree with the conclusions.

My experience with SA has similarly shown higher levels of Caucasian women, with a corresponding level of scamming activity to go with it. While the monthly fee does provide an "all you can eat" environment in terms of monger messaging, this leads to ladies being inundated with communique and, I hypothesize, an exponential increase in requests from said aspiring cum dumpsters for upfront fund transfers. AKA "just howes being howes" (sp).

SB presents as a more organic experience, and as such has attracted a more diverse set of future sperm slurpers. The acquisition cost of each aspiring receiver of my baby batter "feels" higher given the need to expend tokens that have a real and readily determinable cost. However, presupposing the relative tightassed-ness of the average booty hunter, it would follow these ladies receive materially fewer inquiries on SB resulting from this construct. Ipso facto, these wayward daddy-issued damsels populating SB should value any inquiry they receive from a potential semen salesman in higher regard than those who traverse the SA brothel's putrid online halls, who likely get pinged by nearly every paid in full member in the geographic area and beyond.

The one question I have in regard to the SB strategy revolves around the 40 mile contact radius. Instead of a blanket search distance, would it not be more efficient and economical to work from the inside out? As you burn through the low hanging fruit, you work your way out to the further afield towns that create additional logistical hurdles.

Again, I much appreciate this contribution as it summarizes the conclusion I believe I have also been arriving at in regards to the carnal acquisition economics of SA vs SB.

I have been on SB the past few months and I actually like it a little better than SA. There are probably a greater number of hot women on SA but there are plenty for me on SB. Because of the approach I take, SB has actually been more expensive than SA. You pay for tokens there. Once you get low on your tokens (down to 10 or 0), you should get an offer to get double tokens for your money if you buy them in the next 10 minutes. So I get 2000 tokens for $289.

Okay, so you pay 10 tokens every time you send a message to a girl for the first time, or if you open a message from a girl that you have not chatted with yet. Once the 10 tokens are paid, you get unlimited chat with the girl. If you want to boost your message so it stands out more in her inbox, then it's 10 more tokens. Also, if you want a "read receipt" that she is reading your messages, then it's another 10 tokens. I don't use either of these features. You get to see a girl's public pics for free; if you want to see her private pics. Yes, you guessed it -- it costs another 10 tokens. You can see who has viewed your profile and the girls can see if you have viewed theirs. You can "favorite" a girl and / or she can "favorite" you and there is no cost for that. That is helpful and can save you from cold-messaging a girl who doesn't appear to have any interest when she viewed your profile and did not "favorite" you. Also, just because a girl "favorites" you does not mean she will reply to your "hi, how are you?" message. But some of the hottest girls will wait weeks and then finally, when you least expect it, you hear back from her. Such is the case with a very hot Latina girl that I will meet this afternoon.

I think there seems to be a higher percentage of AA and Hispanic girls on SB than on SA. Many of them are really, really hot. I have only found a few scammers which I define as a girl who wants money sent via cash app before meeting up. I found way too many girls on SA that wanted to scam like that. I broke my hard rule about sending money in advance to a girl when I deposited less than $100 in her bank account so that she could buy a plane ticket for her son to fly to Charlotte to spend time with her. She called me and thanked me very nicely. She called me again this morning and we are scheduled to meet a hotel this afternoon. I guess I'll find out if she was scamming me. She is gorgeous. She is the hot Latina girl I mentioned above.

SB does not appear to be as strict about talking about sex in their chat feature. Of course, I usually move the conversation to my burner phone as soon as we begin discussing various options. My only problem is that I have too many girls that want to meet me for sex, and I have neither sperm count nor the bank account to meet the supply of gorgeous options that are available and keep texting me wanting to know when we will meet. I have found many very attractive girls who are happy with $250 for everything with no rules (anything goes except anal). The price seemed higher with the girls on SA than on SB. I have had sessions with 3 different AA girls who are gorgeous and slim and I have paid each one 250. I have also enjoyed sessions with several white girls for that price (one was 300). One stunning, gorgeous AA girl who is only 19 wants 400 and I am thinking about seeing her. The downside is that I would also need to pay for a room. One thing I have learned that is helpful: if you try harder with the girls over 25 or so, there is a greater likelihood that they can host the visit (unless they have children at home) and you save 100 for a hotel. It's just not as likely that an 18 or 19-year old will be able to host.

As I mentioned above, SB can be more expensive than SA, but it depends on your strategy. I have taken the very expensive strategy of reaching out to as many attractive girls as possible that live within 40 miles of Charlotte. You can eat up a lot of tokens that way but you create quite a network. I am now becoming much more selective and I think my cost will go down to an amount which is lower than what I was spending on SA. I have found the success rate on SB to be better than on SA but I did have three huge success from SA and I will see all three occasionally with the one Asian girl being drop-dead gorgeous, but expensive. No, I won't share any details on them, please don't ask.

I hope this review is helpful to some of you.