Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[VetteMan6981]

Gene. Your example of the gatekeeper in Florida might be a good example of why a system like that can work. I'll admit when I'm wrong, but I also think you're comparing apples to oranges.

This gatekeeper provided access to highly reputable and highly regarded providers. That's awesome. That's not what's going on in GR with the FRENZ. But it seems like a waste of time to argue a point to people who've made up their minds already isn't it?

I guess I don't agree with an assessment that I've taken sides or taken up camp with an individual. I don't know any of you and don't care to. We're not friends, at best we are friendly and share info in a positive way. So I can't say I've sided with Biker or Blackfire. If their opinions seem to reflect my own, draw your own conclusions. Some old Asian dude once said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend. " But we're not friends.

I think Benz is king of specific things in this board. King douchiest, creepiest and most questionable individual that places everyone at risk, mongers and providers alike. I've never met him, so it's all he said she said bullshit anyway.

But I'd rather hear himself defend, deflect and divide rather than me make accusations. So I have a few questions for Benz:

- why aren't you posting daily messages about Serenity and their awesome coffee beans?

- why did you continue to promote Ashley Wynter when review after review came back about what a complete waste of money she was?

- why did you promote Curly sue left and right when there were clear issues with her reliability and service / preparedness.

- why was Brook Billions constantly advertised by you when she was a drugged out shell of her old self in the middle of a whorehouse drug bust?

- why is everyone you bring onto the scene have issues, between reliability, a place to stay, boyfriends, etc? I'd provide more examples from your myriad of posts but sadly you've blocked me. I'm sure they were all winners. But I'd argue they could have been better if it you weren't involved. Maybe they never would have gotten into escorting but maybe that would've saved them some pain and mongers some money in the process.

Just a thought, since it sounds like SBJ became a decent provider once, why does she still rely on you? You'll love this, I almost met her once. She didn't give a shit about not having a password, money talks. But after I read reviews on her I realized that anyone who associates with you isn't going to see money from me, so I told her that. You'd be surprised to hear what she said, but I could be making it all up, right? Right?

I guess that's where I differ. Your gatekeeper in Florida unlocked access to talent. What "talent" is Benz bringing you all? Is this a whole playing risky is rewarding fetish or something?

There's better ways to access talent. And truth be told there are limitations to what is provided. Jennifer lovin won't see me because I won't give her a copy of my driver license and W-2. Miss Hunter requires photo verification or references. It's a bit funny to me that people complain about one option and don't use the other.

Around here you don't need TER or other paid sites to get access. Reputable references seem to be the cleanest, you're all lying to yourselves if you thought the best providers in the area aren't conversing with each other to some degree.

So Gene nothing against you personally. I don't take sides though, so my intent is not to defend those who posts you don't like or don't see value in. I do think this is all just a game, and for certain individuals it's a fun one. And I can't help but chuckle at some of the posts here.

That's what this board is for anyway.

Not going to jump in on the password or taking sides issues, but want to point out that when I tried to see miss hunter there was no option for provider references. It was only pic option and she was not willing to send a face pic in return. I offered giving her my screen name on here as well as a few providers I have seen as references and it was a no go. I honestly wasn't that much against the photo request even though I probably should have been. It was the refusal to send one in return that rubbed me wrong. Don't ask me to show you my hand and lose my privacy if you aren't willing to in return. I know some seemed to think it was my way of taking sides in this fight but my posts were only a complaint about miss hunter's lop sided rules and just happened to coincide with when she jumped into this whole debacle we have going here.

[HornyFlyer]

Gene. Your example of the gatekeeper in Florida might be a good example of why a system like that can work. I'll admit when I'm wrong, but I also think you're comparing apples to oranges.

This gatekeeper provided access to highly reputable and highly regarded providers. That's awesome. That's not what's going on in GR with the FRENZ. But it seems like a waste of time to argue a point to people who've made up their minds already isn't it?

I guess I don't agree with an assessment that I've taken sides or taken up camp with an individual. I don't know any of you and don't care to. We're not friends, at best we are friendly and share info in a positive way. So I can't say I've sided with Biker or Blackfire. If their opinions seem to reflect my own, draw your own conclusions. Some old Asian dude once said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend. " But we're not friends.

I think Benz is king of specific things in this board. King douchiest, creepiest and most questionable individual that places everyone at risk, mongers and providers alike. I've never met him, so it's all he said she said bullshit anyway.

But I'd rather hear himself defend, deflect and divide rather than me make accusations. So I have a few questions for Benz:

- why aren't you posting daily messages about Serenity and their awesome coffee beans?

- why did you continue to promote Ashley Wynter when review after review came back about what a complete waste of money she was?

- why did you promote Curly sue left and right when there were clear issues with her reliability and service / preparedness.

- why was Brook Billions constantly advertised by you when she was a drugged out shell of her old self in the middle of a whorehouse drug bust?

- why is everyone you bring onto the scene have issues, between reliability, a place to stay, boyfriends, etc? I'd provide more examples from your myriad of posts but sadly you've blocked me. I'm sure they were all winners. But I'd argue they could have been better if it you weren't involved. Maybe they never would have gotten into escorting but maybe that would've saved them some pain and mongers some money in the process.

Just a thought, since it sounds like SBJ became a decent provider once, why does she still rely on you? You'll love this, I almost met her once. She didn't give a shit about not having a password, money talks. But after I read reviews on her I realized that anyone who associates with you isn't going to see money from me, so I told her that. You'd be surprised to hear what she said, but I could be making it all up, right? Right?

I guess that's where I differ. Your gatekeeper in Florida unlocked access to talent. What "talent" is Benz bringing you all? Is this a whole playing risky is rewarding fetish or something?

There's better ways to access talent. And truth be told there are limitations to what is provided. Jennifer lovin won't see me because I won't give her a copy of my driver license and W-2. Miss Hunter requires photo verification or references. It's a bit funny to me that people complain about one option and don't use the other.

Around here you don't need TER or other paid sites to get access. Reputable references seem to be the cleanest, you're all lying to yourselves if you thought the best providers in the area aren't conversing with each other to some degree.

So Gene nothing against you personally. I don't take sides though, so my intent is not to defend those who posts you don't like or don't see value in. I do think this is all just a game, and for certain individuals it's a fun one. And I can't help but chuckle at some of the posts here.

That's what this board is for anyway.

You b1tch about the girls that Benz has brought to the team here, but I looked through your posts and although you've reviewed many girls, I don't see where you've personally brought any talent to the board.

How about you try to do that and let's see how well you are at it before throwing rocks in glass houses? You seem to think it's possible to bring perfect girls who would have no flaws, always on time, blah blah blah. Welcome to the real world. All girls in this business have more flaws than a mall jewelry store diamond on a half-off sale. Unless you want to get a true GFE for over $1 k / hr from a big city that's how it will always be. Lighten up, Francis. When I see you provide no-fault talent to the board I'll give your b1 tching some thought. Until then, you're just a complainer and no one is forcing you to try anyone Benz or anyone else brings to the board. I'm just grateful for those who do.

Thanks for the reviews you do provide.

[HornyFlyer]

Now that hilarious coming from a member from 9-20, be honest stupid, you comment nonsense so you could get your senior status to beg this tool for his meth passwords, your such a fuking idiot your worse than the other 5, and if just if your going to try to insult someone be original don't copy what others have tried & fucking moron this guy.

LuLz! He took the bait.

[Chad Adler]

I guess I don't agree with an assessment that I've taken sides or taken up camp with an individual. I don't know any of you and don't care to. We're not friends, at best we are friendly and share info in a positive way. So I can't say I've sided with Biker or Blackfire. If their opinions seem to reflect my own, draw your own conclusions.

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Just a thought, since it sounds like SBJ became a decent provider once, why does she still rely on you? You'll love this, I almost met her once. She didn't give a shit about not having a password, money talks. But after I read reviews on her I realized that anyone who associates with you isn't going to see money from me, so I told her that. You'd be surprised to hear what she said, but I could be making it all up, right? Right?

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And I can't help but chuckle at some of the posts here.

That's what this board is for anyway.

I wouldn't want to be considered part of some hateful squad whose loudest members are often not the most articulate, but I also don't want to be friends with a group of people who worship and defend their leader so aggressively. Like JMaul, I've heard from a few women who don't give a shit about the password system but go along with it because they believe it's an avenue for obtaining new clients. I'm curious how they would react if they found out that some people actively avoid seeing a provider who uses the word "Frenz" in her ad. I don't want to be a part of any club. Even the guidelines I've accepted to be a member of this forum are testing the limits of my tolerance for protocol. Everyone should continue to do what they feel is safe, but I think it's a good thing that this conversation is taking place.

I have no horse in this race, but I've been entertained by the topic. I'm only in disagreement with those who say you guys should drop it. I'd follow this thread for months.

[JMaul]

Hey man. I appreciate your posts and reviews. However, there are other regions with passwords or similar protections in place. In Orlando they call it the "gatekeeper" for the UTR providers who really wish to remain that way. It took me a while to be granted access to a highly regarded massage provider who is Fantastic. She is a fitness / swimsuit model who also provides massage services with a level of edging that I've never had replicated here, and I've had some great experiences with Brit and her girls.

My point is that each posting region takes on its own personality. And like it or not, we have a region where Benz is a long standing member who plays by the rules. He also provides good reviews and brings new talent on board. We also have a region with a couple of members who never bring new talent, never provide enlightening reviews, and miss the purpose of the board. One only posts inarticulately to slam Benz, and the other never reviews and only posts to stir drama among the members, like a woman would do. And that's who you chose to agree with on this post. Feel free to read his post history. You will find only chick-like drama, never a review. He even tried to reaching out to another member to encourage that dude to continue a beef with me, a beef we had resolved like men. I called Backfire out for this. And Benz did too, which explains his butt hurt against Benz.

So I respect your right to a different opinion than mine, I just urge you not to place yourself in the same camp as the non-reviewer members here who add nothing to the forum, because you are different than they are. You contribute and are valued.

I'm out.

Gene. Your example of the gatekeeper in Florida might be a good example of why a system like that can work. I'll admit when I'm wrong, but I also think you're comparing apples to oranges.

This gatekeeper provided access to highly reputable and highly regarded providers. That's awesome. That's not what's going on in GR with the FRENZ. But it seems like a waste of time to argue a point to people who've made up their minds already isn't it?

I guess I don't agree with an assessment that I've taken sides or taken up camp with an individual. I don't know any of you and don't care to. We're not friends, at best we are friendly and share info in a positive way. So I can't say I've sided with Biker or Blackfire. If their opinions seem to reflect my own, draw your own conclusions. Some old Asian dude once said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend. " But we're not friends.

I think Benz is king of specific things in this board. King douchiest, creepiest and most questionable individual that places everyone at risk, mongers and providers alike. I've never met him, so it's all he said she said bullshit anyway.

But I'd rather hear himself defend, deflect and divide rather than me make accusations. So I have a few questions for Benz:

- why aren't you posting daily messages about Serenity and their awesome coffee beans?

- why did you continue to promote Ashley Wynter when review after review came back about what a complete waste of money she was?

- why did you promote Curly sue left and right when there were clear issues with her reliability and service / preparedness.

- why was Brook Billions constantly advertised by you when she was a drugged out shell of her old self in the middle of a whorehouse drug bust?

- why is everyone you bring onto the scene have issues, between reliability, a place to stay, boyfriends, etc? I'd provide more examples from your myriad of posts but sadly you've blocked me. I'm sure they were all winners. But I'd argue they could have been better if it you weren't involved. Maybe they never would have gotten into escorting but maybe that would've saved them some pain and mongers some money in the process.

Just a thought, since it sounds like SBJ became a decent provider once, why does she still rely on you? You'll love this, I almost met her once. She didn't give a shit about not having a password, money talks. But after I read reviews on her I realized that anyone who associates with you isn't going to see money from me, so I told her that. You'd be surprised to hear what she said, but I could be making it all up, right? Right?

I guess that's where I differ. Your gatekeeper in Florida unlocked access to talent. What "talent" is Benz bringing you all? Is this a whole playing risky is rewarding fetish or something?

There's better ways to access talent. And truth be told there are limitations to what is provided. Jennifer lovin won't see me because I won't give her a copy of my driver license and W-2. Miss Hunter requires photo verification or references. It's a bit funny to me that people complain about one option and don't use the other.

Around here you don't need TER or other paid sites to get access. Reputable references seem to be the cleanest, you're all lying to yourselves if you thought the best providers in the area aren't conversing with each other to some degree.

So Gene nothing against you personally. I don't take sides though, so my intent is not to defend those who posts you don't like or don't see value in. I do think this is all just a game, and for certain individuals it's a fun one. And I can't help but chuckle at some of the posts here.

That's what this board is for anyway.

[DjBiker]

(Yawn) You've been so truthful in the past. The entire squad, for that matter. It is assumed everything you guys post is utter, unsubstantiated, complete bullshit. It's actually entertaining, because no one buys it and you just further everyone's' opinions of you. So by all means, keep it up, Mr. Congeniality!

Cheers!

Now that hilarious coming from a member from 9-20, be honest stupid, you comment nonsense so you could get your senior status to beg this tool for his meth passwords, your such a fuking idiot your worse than the other 5, and if just if your going to try to insult someone be original don't copy what others have tried & fucking moron this guy.

[HornyFlyer]

I can honestly say I haven't been there at all ever since that tool said shit about bringing chocolate and shit, and him stopping having coffee fuk that, not counting that douche promoting a streetwalker he got in there and started charging 180 $ when she was strolling Leonard before for 30 $ car dates, he is a lying fuk and these new people think they are getting on ground floor of something good & Him and his massage table can travel up his ass.

(Yawn) You've been so truthful in the past. The entire squad, for that matter. It is assumed everything you guys post is utter, unsubstantiated, complete bullshit. It's actually entertaining, because no one buys it and you just further everyone's' opinions of you. So by all means, keep it up, Mr. Congeniality!

Cheers!

[DjBiker]

Serenity lost me or never had me as a customer forever for that reason. I don't need coffee man lurking in the shadows when I visit a therapist. I lose trust in a parlor when they give an untrustworthy person such freedom to do as he pleases.

It's smoke and mirrors there. Notice how almost no one provides any details of that place?

Someone said the place is busy. I haven't seen a review posted in 3 months, maybe more in the massage thread.

That's a lot of clients then staying mum on what's happening.

More red flags than Russian holiday event with that place IMO.

I can honestly say I haven't been there at all ever since that tool said shit about bringing chocolate and shit, and him stopping having coffee fuk that, not counting that douche promoting a streetwalker he got in there and started charging 180 $ when she was strolling Leonard before for 30 $ car dates, he is a lying fuk and these new people think they are getting on ground floor of something good & Him and his massage table can travel up his ass.

[JMaul]

If truth ever comes out I'm sure that chick from serenity got sick of his ass asking for free shit, she is a business woman, and to have this tool hanging around probley hurt business, kinda like the dum fuk that keeps showing up to high school dances for yrs after graduation this fuking guy lies and you 5-7 now believe him WTF.

Serenity lost me or never had me as a customer forever for that reason. I don't need coffee man lurking in the shadows when I visit a therapist. I lose trust in a parlor when they give an untrustworthy person such freedom to do as he pleases.

It's smoke and mirrors there. Notice how almost no one provides any details of that place?

Someone said the place is busy. I haven't seen a review posted in 3 months, maybe more in the massage thread.

That's a lot of clients then staying mum on what's happening.

More red flags than Russian holiday event with that place IMO.

[DjBiker]

I'm with Monger01 on this.

I'm really fucking bored since early retirement. To answer someone's question about Serenity, I used to drive by Serenity twice a day. Since I quit working, I drive by once a week and she's usually busy AF so I rarely stop.

This thread has been entertaining but it's getting boring too.

I agree with Monger01, on to more pussy.

If truth ever comes out I'm sure that chick from serenity got sick of his ass asking for free shit, she is a business woman, and to have this tool hanging around probley hurt business, kinda like the dum fuk that keeps showing up to high school dances for yrs after graduation this fuking guy lies and you 5-7 now believe him WTF.

[Benz1]

Took a few days off posting and holy shit! I am surprised how many mongers are in this discussion. I think its safe to say none of us are changing the other's minds on this subject. I am guilty of. Keeping this argument going as are others but I'm done with this. Back to chasing pussy.

Stay safe guys!

I'm with Monger01 on this.

I'm really fucking bored since early retirement. To answer someone's question about Serenity, I used to drive by Serenity twice a day. Since I quit working, I drive by once a week and she's usually busy AF so I rarely stop.

This thread has been entertaining but it's getting boring too.

I agree with Monger01, on to more pussy.

[Monger01]

Hey Monger I'll give you a summary of the last 2 weeks of this board:

- people called out Benz for the asshat he is.

- other people came to his defense.

- a bunch of he said she said ensued.

For the record, I'm not butt hurt. Are you? If I expected the "almighty" Benz to just back down from some board chatter than it really would have been something. Never needed a password, in this hobby a little money, average looks and a decent attitude get you pretty far regardless of age. Maybe that's why some of you need passwords?

I'll attempt some objective thinking. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing, and too much of a bad thing is a bad thing, right? IMO regardless of your opinion of good vs bad Benz is simply too much. Imagine how many people come to this board and listen to whatever he spews out simply because he has 3,000+ posts and is on every thread everywhere.

I'm sorry but I have zero interest in unreliable providers regardless of passwords. Find me a reliable "password protected" lady, does one exist? Ashley Wynter? Brook Billions? The ones who like chocolate fucking bark? No thanks, even he would admit some of his finds are complete and colossal wastes. I'd reckon many or most.

Why doesn't Benz flood the board with Serenity stuff still? Did him and Hayley have a falling out? Or did they stop serving coffee?

I'd love it if Benz disappeared for good. He'd say the same for me LOL. I'd argue the hobby scene would be better, the women he moderates or handles (since by definition I can't say it's pimping) wouldn't be wasting people's time and money. But if why'll like that, go for it. At least the passwords give a clear red flag to those who can read reviews and see the post history.

Find me a single reputable provider that is well reviewed and endorsed by Benz not named Sweety. Which I saw BTW and while the massage was good it wasn't head and shoulders above some other who provided more sensual experiences to go with clinical massage. Sweet cheeks comes to mind there.

So maybe that's where we land: if you want someone reputable, don't follow the Frenz list. If you're willing to take a flyer on a candy-laced street rat who probably only will suck a dick in a car, then by all means have at it.

There is no we, but for me I thought it was time to call a douche for what it is. How you decide to spend your money and time is up to you. What I do appreciate is that other providers are taking notice and not seeing some of you questionable fuckheads, which in turn is causing people to post shit about someone that haven't or can't see. So maybe you're the ones butt hurt. You're just making it easier for me to land an appointment, so I guess maybe I should be saying Thanks?

Stay safe out there!

Took a few days off posting and holy shit! I am surprised how many mongers are in this discussion. I think its safe to say none of us are changing the other's minds on this subject. I am guilty of. Keeping this argument going as are others but I'm done with this. Back to chasing pussy.

Stay safe guys!

[HornyFlyer]

I agree. I travel a lot and use USA where it's helpful. Not so helpful out west LOL. But no one, I repeat NO ONE, from what I can tell, uses these dumbass passwords. People share info without literal skin in the game, at least the respected ones or frequent posters. What we have going on here is an anomaly, not a good one IMO, but others seem to like it. So give the FRENZ (Fuckhead Retards Enjoying Nasty puZzayy) their own page. Fucking hell you couldn't even call it "friends? It had to be with a Z? For fucks sake.

I have to chuckle at being indirectly called out like I'm on some ninja circle jerk team? Haha I work solo. And yet it's hilarious that "FRENZ" is somehow Not a group of people working the same chick over? Might as well take a number and get in line, if it's wet you know someone didn't use protection.

I agree with what Gene2 said. Different regions do things different ways. I travel all over the world for a living, with well over 20 years in the hobby. I can flat out tell you that you are wrong about the password thing. Good and/or cautious providers DON'T like being OTR. It's more risky. They don't like the risk of exposure. They would much rather see trusted, reliable clientele than unknowns for the obvious, many reasons to include robbers, LEO, being outed or found out, etc. etc. "Verifying" is a very sure way to do that. That's done by reliable clients providing passwords to those they trust, or if not called that, then saying "JonnyB can vouch for me" and then of course they check with JohnnyB. Whatever. Many different ways to skin that cat, and it most certainly is not inappropriate to want to do that, and for people who have found good talent, to want to protect them from being hurt in one of the ways I just mentioned. There are also many websites that require authentication to become a member in order to communicate with the providers. the website makes money on that, and I'd rather spend that money on a provider, not a website, although I've dabbled in that in the past. There is a good website I loved to use but they don't cover Michigan, so I'm SOL on that. Also, when it comes to someone new to the hobby, as Benz proved with one of his new UTR's... the wrong asshole shows up and she pulls out of the business before we can get in on it and we all lose out, all because the wrong idiot saw her. Is that a risk for any provider at any time? Absolutely. But this forum has proved that there are more than a handful of total assholes I'd never recommend to any of my regulars, as if I did, that regular would never want to see me again. YES, passwords have their purpose, and yes, they work.

Anyway, all of that is for the same purpose of adequate screening and allowing both providers and hobbyists to be selective, win-win for everyone. And here's a clue: Don't be a dick, show some respect to the girl, get along with everyone, and play by the girls' rules and you're in. If you don't... well, that's exactly what the screening process is for. Good luck with that.

Don't like it?! Put them on ignore. LOL It most definitely isn't rocket surgery.

[Slowboatguy]

Seems to me I was pretty fucking clear who I was talking to.

You're obviously one of those I mentioned that you need a label on your McDonald's coffee cup that says it's hot, genius.

It's also obvious (except you squad members, apparently) that more people take issue with you idiots bangin' on Benz, than people have issues with Benz. Probably because he's a positive to the group, and most of you parasites don't do shit for the group.

(Yawn).

It got old, has zero merit, and fails to deliver your intentions... in fact, with me as an example, it just made many of us step out of lurker mode and speak up for him - not that he needed help speaking for himself, but your idiotic complaints are so baseless we couldn't help ourselves but step in and say something. So I spoke up, and so have many. Don't like it? Don't give a sh1t. Fuck off. Go get some coffee with your fellow squad members and have a b1tch fest.

Let me guess. In a couple of days Benz will post a 'why can't we all just get along and get back to the days before everyone figured out my game'.

[Gene2]

I agree. I travel a lot and use USA where it's helpful. Not so helpful out west LOL. But no one, I repeat NO ONE, from what I can tell, uses these dumbass passwords. People share info without literal skin in the game, at least the respected ones or frequent posters. What we have going on here is an anomaly, not a good one IMO, but others seem to like it. So give the FRENZ (Fuckhead Retards Enjoying Nasty puZzayy) their own page. Fucking hell you couldn't even call it "friends? It had to be with a Z? For fucks sake.

I have to chuckle at being indirectly called out like I'm on some ninja circle jerk team? Haha I work solo. And yet it's hilarious that "FRENZ" is somehow Not a group of people working the same chick over? Might as well take a number and get in line, if it's wet you know someone didn't use protection.

Hey man. I appreciate your posts and reviews. However, there are other regions with passwords or similar protections in place. In Orlando they call it the "gatekeeper" for the UTR providers who really wish to remain that way. It took me a while to be granted access to a highly regarded massage provider who is Fantastic. She is a fitness / swimsuit model who also provides massage services with a level of edging that I've never had replicated here, and I've had some great experiences with Brit and her girls.

My point is that each posting region takes on its own personality. And like it or not, we have a region where Benz is a long standing member who plays by the rules. He also provides good reviews and brings new talent on board. We also have a region with a couple of members who never bring new talent, never provide enlightening reviews, and miss the purpose of the board. One only posts inarticulately to slam Benz, and the other never reviews and only posts to stir drama among the members, like a woman would do. And that's who you chose to agree with on this post. Feel free to read his post history. You will find only chick-like drama, never a review. He even tried to reaching out to another member to encourage that dude to continue a beef with me, a beef we had resolved like men. I called Backfire out for this. And Benz did too, which explains his butt hurt against Benz.

So I respect your right to a different opinion than mine, I just urge you not to place yourself in the same camp as the non-reviewer members here who add nothing to the forum, because you are different than they are. You contribute and are valued.

I'm out.