Arrangement Reports

[DynoJr]

So I've been having lengthy messages back and forth with a somewhat fake looking profile of an Asian woman and she started getting frustrated that I couldn't get my WhatsApp to work. Truthfully it does work but only for my real, not burner number.

I've just had another one tonight with a different Asian woman that really really wanted to communicate on WhatsApp.

Guys, what is their end game here? Once is suspicious, twice makes me think this is a common scam.

[RusselJimmies]

So much cope in this thread. We have an interesting mix of guys who get it and guys who are absolutely clueless.

Everything involving women is fundamentally transactional, even if it's intangible and non-monetary. If they're into you for your status or your amazing fizeek, that is still transactional. That being said, hot young Seeking coeds have a plethora of attractive men and offers to choose from, and only so much time in the day. If she's regularly seeing you for $5 ppm she probably turned down and ignored dozens of higher offers for $6, $7, and up. Why? Because she likes you more than those other dudes. And that's true at every price range.

Sure it's possible she's only seeing you for the money and isn't into you one bit, but if you can't tell the difference then you're in that absolutely clueless category, and you need to learn how to attract women.

And yes there absolutely is an alpha / beta quality which girls can smell a mile away, which can easily overcome many other factors. If you think this is "pure pseudoscience" because you haven't yet been presented you with some peer-reviewed study from a university's sociology department then you're also in that absolutely clueless category and need to start learning from experience instead of so-called experts.

[LolBoat]

Right now with instagram, snap and all the other social media I would be willing to bet that it is not 20 percent of guys fucking all the girls it is probably 5-10 percent.

In my day it was probably 20 percent.

Imagine the amount of attentions girls are getting on social media. An average 22 year old who is a 7 in looks probably gets propositioned for 7-10 dates a week.

That is too much competition for the majority of guys to deal with.

Yep, a few of the manosphere podcasts talked about this. The 10%-20% are getting pushed out. The end times are here!

[MwmChicago]

No way that's real. Either that's not her picture or she will never show.

Set up a meet for drinks near my suburban home for Mon. Maybe she shows, if not I'll just get drunk. That girl is so fucking hot to me! OMG, would love to fuck her! Now I'm not going to give her a deposit if that comes up. Will report. Maybe she's just a little clueless about pricing, I did fuck an escort in San Fran 10 years ago that was as hot or hotter than her (bigger tits and so tight). Paid her $300, got her super high and we fucked like college kids for 90 minutes (paid for an hour) for $300.

[JustinFields]

Ok brother, but you did not address one single thing I said, you just restated the same stuff with different words. You said that "You can't compare today to 100 years ago," and I agree, that's what you're doing. You're saying that you can compare it to thousands of years ago. That an instinct has been developing over centuries and you can trace that instinct to today and what I am saying is that cannot possibly be the case. There are too many holes in that story to really believe that. Ideas about "simps" "chads" "the game" "instinct" are not real. It's just language that guys use to try to explain behavior they really don't understand. If they understood it, couldn't they answer some questions about it? Couldn't they tell me exactly how it works? Couldn't they tell me about it's history and answer questions about its history? I mean, if someone cannot answer even the most basic questions about "a theory" then why do they even believe it? On what basis? Look, I've met a lot of chicks who do the same thing but instead of they use terms from astrology, someone is either a "Gemini" "Libra" "Taurus". What I am saying is that people want to believe in something that is simple and easy to understand, but the truth is that behavior is not easily explained. If it was then the world's best scientists would have it all figured out by now. I mean if anyone believes that someone selling a book or videos on youtube has all the answers to sexual behavior and relationships and that the world can be explained with terms like "libra" or "simp" then I don't know what to say. Beware of snake oil and bullshit, brothers.

Let me explain it to you in simple terms.

If you are fucking a girl on SA for PPM. It doesn't mean she wants to fuck you, it doesn't mean you are making her pussy wet. She is fucking you for money.(I know this and do it anyway and it doesn't bother me one bit and it shouldn't bother anyone).

If you are fucking a girl that you work with with no ppm. It means that she wants to fuck you and in general she will have a higher attraction than the guy she met on SA.

I am not going to get into the science behind it but that is just the way it is. These girls you are paying ppm check there instagram. The guy they are banging is close to them in age and probably isn't much better looking than you are. But she rather fuck him for free than fuck you for 300 ppm.

If you take that same girl and said you have one of two choices.

She could break up with her boyfriend fuck you once a week for 300 ppm guaranteed for a year and make 14400 dollars guaranteed for the year.

Or fuck her boyfriend 3 times a week for free.

She will ghost you and choose her boyfriend. You are transactional her boyfriend is validated.

[JustinFields]

Right now with instagram, snap and all the other social media I would be willing to bet that it is not 20 percent of guys fucking all the girls it is probably 5-10 percent.

In my day it was probably 20 percent.

Imagine the amount of attentions girls are getting on social media. An average 22 year old who is a 7 in looks probably gets propositioned for 7-10 dates a week.

That is too much competition for the majority of guys to deal with.

[Al Melrose]

Is it really a dark take though? They are my realistic observations. There is data to prove what I'm saying. I think I read somewhere that most men only have 3-4 sexual partners before they get married.

In 2018,27% of all 18 year old men were virgins. They started keeping track of this data in the early 90's and it always fluctuated a bit, but it was about 10% on average every year. In 2012 the # started climbing (due to tinder, imo.) and now its prob even higher than 30% due to the lockdowns.

Its tough out there!

I am living in a bubble, I did not realize things have gotten that bad. Weird is that I see some really wimpy young guys with some hot girls. I was jealous since the nerd me in HS had no chance with any hot girls. So are these new nerds getting action or just being in the friend zone.

[Chiguyxxx]

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...1-30f4ce9cd039

Asking 250 and can host. Does anyone have info on her? Seems TGTBT. Thanks!

No way that's real. Either that's not her picture or she will never show.

[ZckBrc]

You act like all sex is transactional it is not. When you meet a girl on SA and pay her it is absolutely Transactional. The girl that you take home from the bar Is not transactional . There is a big difference. IF you can't see that than I don't know what to tell you.

Me personally I love SA because I am short on time and there is no emotions involved and I don't have to spend time with them. I just get straight down to business. That being said it is better for the soul when I meet a girl on SA and fuck her for free.

Ok brother, but you did not address one single thing I said, you just restated the same stuff with different words. You said that "You can't compare today to 100 years ago," and I agree, that's what you're doing. You're saying that you can compare it to thousands of years ago. That an instinct has been developing over centuries and you can trace that instinct to today and what I am saying is that cannot possibly be the case. There are too many holes in that story to really believe that. Ideas about "simps" "chads" "the game" "instinct" are not real. It's just language that guys use to try to explain behavior they really don't understand. If they understood it, couldn't they answer some questions about it? Couldn't they tell me exactly how it works? Couldn't they tell me about it's history and answer questions about its history? I mean, if someone cannot answer even the most basic questions about "a theory" then why do they even believe it? On what basis? Look, I've met a lot of chicks who do the same thing but instead of they use terms from astrology, someone is either a "Gemini" "Libra" "Taurus". What I am saying is that people want to believe in something that is simple and easy to understand, but the truth is that behavior is not easily explained. If it was then the world's best scientists would have it all figured out by now. I mean if anyone believes that someone selling a book or videos on youtube has all the answers to sexual behavior and relationships and that the world can be explained with terms like "libra" or "simp" then I don't know what to say. Beware of snake oil and bullshit, brothers.

[TheArgent]

I used to see this one when she was in college. https://members.seeking.com/member/0...0-cf75a6d89214 She's real and was smoking. A good time in bed and loved to send nudes. Couldn't fuck her more than a few times because whenever her mouth wasn't full she was absolutely unable to keep herself from talking about conspiracies about Jews, Trump and flat Earth stuff. I can deal with astrology stuff for a while, but a man can only tolerate so much.

[LolBoat]

Jesus, that's such a dark take. I dunno, man. Maybe I haven't experienced the kind of social trauma many of you have but there is definitely a lot of frustration with life on this thread, maybe even this entire board. It makes me sad.

It also makes me wonder if a lot of us are as broken as we always say women in this hobby are. Life should be fun. This should be fun. Or what's the point?

Is it really a dark take though? They are my realistic observations. There is data to prove what I'm saying. I think I read somewhere that most men only have 3-4 sexual partners before they get married.

In 2018,27% of all 18 year old men were virgins. They started keeping track of this data in the early 90's and it always fluctuated a bit, but it was about 10% on average every year. In 2012 the # started climbing (due to tinder, imo.) and now its prob even higher than 30% due to the lockdowns.

Its tough out there!

[Zimbler]

Very, very few men get sex for free or have the combination of looks / personality / height to get it on a regular basis. Most chads don't understand why people pay for sex until they hit their 40's and 50's when their looks and energy fade but for the vast majority of us, we got to pay for it.

This is a good point.

The stats say that 80% of women are having sex with only 20% of men.

It's the Pareto principal.

Men are having less sex. Women have so many more options thanks to instagram and social media that they can be selective with who they see. Until they hit the wall.

[Pal5600]

Everyone has their own personal unique theories about this game we play. Each theory doesn't apply to 90 percent of everyone. Your theory and perspective is what you've experienced. There's no right or wrong belief. In simplistic terms women sell sex and guys pay for sex.

I agree and well said man, and I will add, more desirable, younger beautiful women will cost you even more, just open your eyes and look around and think.

[Ron M]

Everyone has their own personal unique theories about this game we play. Each theory doesn't apply to 90 percent of everyone. Your theory and perspective is what you've experienced. There's no right or wrong belief. In simplistic terms women sell sex and guys pay for sex.

[Jinurso]

Very, very few men get sex for free or have the combination of looks / personality / height to get it on a regular basis. A slightly above average guy in terms of looks can get some if he puts in alot of effort and is obsessed with it.

Most chads don't understand why people pay for sex until they hit their 40's and 50's when their looks and energy fade but for the vast majority of us, we got to pay for it.

Sometimes I get bummed out on all of this stuff but in all honesty if I was the kind of guy who got girls due to my looks. Would I be where I am at now in my career? Would I be motivated to grind hard and level up? unfortunately your value as a man to other males is largely determined by your ability to attract women, guys dont want to be friends with guys who dont get girls or atleast hang out with them

Jesus, that's such a dark take. I dunno, man. Maybe I haven't experienced the kind of social trauma many of you have but there is definitely a lot of frustration with life on this thread, maybe even this entire board. It makes me sad.

It also makes me wonder if a lot of us are as broken as we always say women in this hobby are. Life should be fun. This should be fun. Or what's the point?