"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**BagIt** · 10-06-21 23:00

Originally Posted by TopGun9 [View Original Post]

Doing a market check here.

How much are you guys giving the babies for a date these days?

It seems 200 no longer cuts it, and most babies are asking around 300-500 per meet.

Depends on type of arrangement, I had 1 sb who was very hot and her bottom allowance was 400 per meet, no less, and for her I did it once a month. I had another who I gave 500 month in 2 installments of 250, for that I got at least 6-8 play times a month, ongoing great relationship.

**RedBaron69** · 10-06-21 21:43

Originally Posted by GolfMan57 [View Original Post]

200 is definately no longer cutting it. I am getting them asking for 500 up and some for 1000.

I use the term ongoing and it's funny how that 500 will drop to 250-300. Been seeing one lately that started out at 1000, we meet weekly for 250.

**GolfMan57** · 10-06-21 20:48

Originally Posted by TopGun9 [View Original Post]

Doing a market check here.

How much are you guys giving the babies for a date these days?

It seems 200 no longer cuts it, and most babies are asking around 300-500 per meet.

200 is definately no longer cutting it. I am getting them asking for 500 up and some for 1000.

**EasyeOne** · 10-06-21 20:43

Originally Posted by TopGun9 [View Original Post]

Doing a market check here.

How much are you guys giving the babies for a date these days?

It seems 200 no longer cuts it, and most babies are asking around 300-500 per meet.

2 is rare but I still have a couple on rotation at that range. 3 is my average and rarely. Hardly ever at 4. A lot of work but still enjoying the game.

**TopGun9** · 10-06-21 19:00

Doing a market check here.

How much are you guys giving the babies for a date these days?

It seems 200 no longer cuts it, and most babies are asking around 300-500 per meet.

**Swimmer123** · 10-06-21 12:58

Originally Posted by EvilTmp [View Original Post]

Yep. Worst kept secret is that a large portions of profiles on SA are from dudes posing as chicks.

It's funny because requesting the specific photos make the scammers actually go to work for 30-40 min and come back with some garbage photo shop. I just troll them with "3/10 keep up the good work though" and then block them. So they just wasted all that time. Eventually if everyone starts making these requests word will get out that juice isn't worth the squeeze for scammers. If they give me anything other than a verification I block, don't even waste my time. You shouldn't either. Every legit SB I've had immediately complied with proof. And that's not a coincidence.

**EvilTmp** · 10-05-21 11:01

Originally Posted by Swimmer123 [View Original Post]

She's fake don't waste your time. She had a duplicate profile in Cary (I go between Raleigh and Richmond). She wouldn't take a verification snap / picture and wouldn't voice call. Blocked me when I requested either. Gives the baby sitter money upfront sob story too. Easiest way to crack the fake code is ask for a pic with 3-4 fingers up. Chances are any scammer won't have that as a stock photo of who they are posing as. I have seen at least 5 shitty editing jobs from different profiles of editing off fingers and things to meet my request in clearly stolen photos. Unless the scammer is a deep fake pro they can't fake specialized pic requests and very quickly weeds them out.

Yep. Worst kept secret is that a large portions of profiles on SA are from dudes posing as chicks.

**Swimmer123** · 10-05-21 10:03

Originally Posted by GeechieDan [View Original Post]

She wreaks of GPS.

She's fake don't waste your time. She had a duplicate profile in Cary (I go between Raleigh and Richmond). She wouldn't take a verification snap / picture and wouldn't voice call. Blocked me when I requested either. Gives the baby sitter money upfront sob story too. Easiest way to crack the fake code is ask for a pic with 3-4 fingers up. Chances are any scammer won't have that as a stock photo of who they are posing as. I have seen at least 5 shitty editing jobs from different profiles of editing off fingers and things to meet my request in clearly stolen photos. Unless the scammer is a deep fake pro they can't fake specialized pic requests and very quickly weeds them out.

**Geechie Dan** · 10-04-21 23:22

Originally Posted by CantResist [View Original Post]

This one is in Lynchburg, which I understand is a little ways from Richmond (and further from me), but I have been interested in her for a bit and see she is back around. I get the suspicion she may be a lot of work or unreasonable expense, though. Anyone from this area ever met up with Rae in the past? I'll update here if I do.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...3-71330cfb8ea9

She wreaks of GPS.

**Tyrex2** · 10-04-21 20:04

Originally Posted by Doug22 [View Original Post]

I've had a couple of friends through the years. My situation is kinda unique so I haven't had much luck on the SB sites. In fact most of my friends came from AM. I've met a few ladies for one time visits since my last baby, but I'm looking for a more stable arrangement. Anyway, it's been a while since me last SB so I was dipping my toes in again and have even been on Red. It. My question is who is paying for these online only relationships or OF subscriptions. I've got five senses not two I want to experience the touch, smell and taste as well as the site and sound. If you only need sight and sound you can go to that hub site for free. Boy things have changed a lot lately.

Only think I ever got out of that site was DOXXED LOL. How'd ya manage to come by actual "friends" on AM?

**Member #6652** · 10-03-21 18:44

This one is in Lynchburg, which I understand is a little ways from Richmond (and further from me), but I have been interested in her for a bit and see she is back around. I get the suspicion she may be a lot of work or unreasonable expense, though. Anyone from this area ever met up with Rae in the past? I'll update here if I do.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...3-71330cfb8ea9

**BamBam** · 10-03-21 17:59

This is dead on.

BAM.

Originally Posted by Shampoo55 [View Original Post]

I'm guessing that, for the most part, it is the new crop of mongers that have gone through their first divorce, have disposable income or just wandered into the hobby from internet searches. This is the problem with the hobby these days. Dudes who don't understand the game, etc. Way too many Simps out there that will pay whatever a girl asks.

But the sites don't help matters either. In order to have paying guys, you have to have GIRLS! So they paint a picture of easy riches, lavish life styles, etc to get women to join. It is amazing how many girls get sucked in by this illusion.

**Kwagmire** · 10-03-21 09:16

Originally Posted by Shampoo55 [View Original Post]

But part of this is the fault of WYP a sister site to SA that VERY EMPHATICALLY points out that sex should not be expected on a date. So many desperate Simps sign up and pay girls for essentially companionship. Here's $200 to eat my food and drink alcohol I paid for, and perhaps ypu'll fuck me later? Some of those girls graduate to SA with the same attitude. Also, SA doesn't help matters either.

But the sites don't help matters either. In order to have paying guys, you have to have GIRLS! So they paint a picture of easy riches, lavish life styles, etc to get women to join. It is amazing how many girls get sucked in by this illusion.

A current SB, college educated, signed up because she bought the "lavish lifestyle" shtick SA promotes. No critical thinking out there these days. Shoot, I went round and round with a hood rat that, even after a $200 FC visit, was convinced she should get $2,000/ month "allowance" PLUS shopping trips, dinners out, vacations, etc. Oh, and maybe once a week visit to her Apt, in the hood, for a one pop, everything covered date. These girls buy into the fantasy and the fact that a few Simps pay that only reinforces their "beliefs!

I agree the pandemic and proliferation of online services such as Only Fans and such has sped up the "decline" in the affordability and value equation in this industry / hobby. I believe, however, that it started after the fall of backpage and the institution of FOSTA / SESTA, which makes (some) websites liable for what their users post online. If a user of SA or WYP is overt about offering up or looking for sex for money, the website is liable and can be prosecuted for promoting prostitution. They have to shut that down in order to be allowed to continue to exist.

Recall when this site shut down immediately following this ruling? The owners did that in response to the new law, and emerged again, thankfully, under a new operating model.

Other sites take a different approach -- SA and WYP have to overtly say that the sites are for dating only, not for transactional arrangements. And since it's not against the law for a girl to want to find a rich, stupid guy to string along, some of them try (and succeed, it seems. A fool and his money and all that). But the savvy people who can read through the lines are able to find what they want. Just takes more wading through the muck than it used to.

Still, guys should hold the line. An "arrangement" for most people isn't "pretty girl gets gifts and money for existing. " Girls in today's society are so valued, pedestalized and fawned upon they need to be reminded that an arrangement is for both parties to trade what they have for what the other doesn't. I. e. Man shares his wealth, experience, mentorship (the things he has) in exchange for intimate time with a co-ed less than half his age (the things he doesn't have) AND the girl gets the things she doesn't have (wealth, experiences, advice, gifts) in exchange for sharing what she has (her youth, beauty, perfect body and carefree, fun companionship).

**Geechie Dan** · 10-03-21 09:07

Originally Posted by BigOne73 [View Original Post]

She only quoted me 350, but I had to show her a picture first.

Or she realized she was in the wrong market for that price. Who knows?

**Shampoo55** · 10-03-21 04:20

Originally Posted by Doug22 [View Original Post]

I've had a couple of friends through the years. My situation is kinda unique so I haven't had much luck on the SB sites. In fact most of my friends came from AM. I've met a few ladies for one time visits since my last baby, but I'm looking for a more stable arrangement. Anyway, it's been a while since me last SB so I was dipping my toes in again and have even been on Red. It. My question is who is paying for these online only relationships or OF subscriptions. I've got five senses not two I want to experience the touch, smell and taste as well as the site and sound. If you only need sight and sound you can go to that hub site for free. Boy things have changed a lot lately.

I'm guessing that, for the mos part, it is the new crop of mongers that have gone through their first divorce, have disposable income or just wandered into the hobby from internet searches. This is the problem with the hobby these days. Dudes who don't understand the game, etc. Way too many Simps out there that will pay whatever a girl asks.

Some theorize that the Pandemic free flowing funds had something to do with it. Once restrictions were lifted there still was a lot of Stimi $ sloshing around and lonely dudes went to spend it on hookers they found while doing bored lockdown searches. They found the girls, they didn't find the education. Girls only do that stuff and ask for high rates because some Simp was paying it.

But part of this is the fault of WYP a sister site to SA that VERY EMPHATICALLY points out that sex should not be expected on a date. So many desperate Simps sign up and pay girls for essentially companionship. Here's $200 to eat my food and drink alcohol I paid for, and perhaps ypu'll fuck me later? Some of those girls graduate to SA with the same attitude. Also, SA doesn't help matters either.

But the sites don't help matters either. In order to have paying guys, you have to have GIRLS! So they paint a picture of easy riches, lavish life styles, etc to get women to join. It is amazing how many girls get sucked in by this illusion.

A current SB, college educated, signed up because she bought the "lavish lifestyle" shtick SA promotes. No critical thinking out there these days. Shoot, I went round and round with a hood rat that, even after a $200 FC visit, was convinced she should get $2,000/ month "allowance" PLUS shopping trips, dinners out, vacations, etc. Oh, and maybe once a week visit to her Apt, in the hood, for a one pop, everything covered date. These girls buy into the fantasy and the fact that a few Simps pay that only reinforces their "beliefs!

So like you mentioned, just say NO! If the majority of dudes stick to their guns, things may revert to where they were. Online is the only place you see this "Inflation. " One can still get head off the streets for 20-30 and FS for 40. AMPs for the most part are still 40/60-100. The "Internet Generation" is apparently good and finding stuff, but could use some help drilling down to the reality for prices and "how to" approach the hobby and stay safe.

So hang in there! Hopefully in 6-months we transition back a bit?