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[DrtyHarry]

After several years of searching and exploring some boundaries I'm only willing to share with a professional shrink. I have found the perfect early twenties woman for me. A tall and slender model / actress / foreign air travel angel. Submissive yet constantly yearning for more. Practically impossible to not want to satisfy her when together. Almost sounds like the dream of the SB we all seek? Like a commercial they show SB's and SD's of the ideal as this one I want to keep. I would give her almost anything.

First date was an unplanned meet and greet (talked of full monthly allowance prior but never transitioned that evening) but did provide one given she spent the entire evening with me chatting. Following nights I ended up providing 2 x more than I planned when she stayed overnight. If only not long distance flying to town regularly (a story / front? I'd be a broke bastard already!

Do I think this is going to work out long term? This is as authentic of a early relationship (elation) feeling I have ever had. Setting myself up for failure as this is the first woman that I would say I would consider wrapping up as mine. She's not tainted by all you d1 cks yet as far as I can tell. LOL. I officially deleted my acct. I tried previously to meet 1-2 SB's a week. I've consolidated all funds on this one as top shelf simply does not compare with anything else and I may not see her more than a couple times a month. I am skewing the subreddits if she happens to be on there mentioning her allowance. I do feel guilty about that but she's still a hell of a lot cheaper than my ex wife and watching her abdomen pulsate with me inside her is simply. Given I actually care about her. I could not dream of something I desire more.

I'm setting myself up for failure. (I know).

My fear is that it's nothing but money for her (guy in every town?) and you all have gotten to her and she's just a great actor. Anna Lisa vs Mona Lisa. (Prozzak vs little Wayne). And sadly even if I never saw her again I couldn't say the funds to this point was a waste as I don't ever foresee another coming close to this one on that site (thus the reason for deleting). Ruined the site as I can never return to the number of 'frogs to kiss' to find the princess. Yet also no clue how to find this again if it fails.

Have you guys ever gotten to the point of thinking this is the 'one'? Not yet transitioned to monthly with this one and may talk about monogamy (not something I have asked of my previous monthlies and given long distance its hard / may be the sticky point). Scary as polyamorous has always been my goto for the site.

Being with her is what I want to remember when I'm 80+ on my death bed.

Paradigum. We all do this to get moments of happiness or escape from the grind. You seem to have your eyes open. Your post has some doubt and scrutiny built into it. All this means you are doing what you do with thought and with your eyes open. Do what brings you pleasure and happiness. God knows we all work too hard and need it especially right now with all the uncertainty around us. Continue to keep your eyes open and evaluate. But enjoy it as long as you can. We all deserve to snatch whatever happiness we can. When we can. Best of luck bro. Keep us in the loop.

[Paradigum]

After several years of searching and exploring some boundaries I'm only willing to share with a professional shrink. I have found the perfect early twenties woman for me. A tall and slender model / actress / foreign air travel angel. Submissive yet constantly yearning for more. Practically impossible to not want to satisfy her when together. Almost sounds like the dream of the SB we all seek? Like a commercial they show SB's and SD's of the ideal as this one I want to keep. I would give her almost anything.

First date was an unplanned meet and greet (talked of full monthly allowance prior but never transitioned that evening) but did provide one given she spent the entire evening with me chatting. Following nights I ended up providing 2 x more than I planned when she stayed overnight. If only not long distance flying to town regularly (a story / front? I'd be a broke bastard already!

Do I think this is going to work out long term? This is as authentic of a early relationship (elation) feeling I have ever had. Setting myself up for failure as this is the first woman that I would say I would consider wrapping up as mine. She's not tainted by all you d1 cks yet as far as I can tell. LOL. I officially deleted my acct. I tried previously to meet 1-2 SB's a week. I've consolidated all funds on this one as top shelf simply does not compare with anything else and I may not see her more than a couple times a month. I am skewing the subreddits if she happens to be on there mentioning her allowance. I do feel guilty about that but she's still a hell of a lot cheaper than my ex wife and watching her abdomen pulsate with me inside her is simply. Given I actually care about her. I could not dream of something I desire more.

I'm setting myself up for failure. (I know).

My fear is that it's nothing but money for her (guy in every town?) and you all have gotten to her and she's just a great actor. Anna Lisa vs Mona Lisa. (Prozzak vs little Wayne). And sadly even if I never saw her again I couldn't say the funds to this point was a waste as I don't ever foresee another coming close to this one on that site (thus the reason for deleting). Ruined the site as I can never return to the number of 'frogs to kiss' to find the princess. Yet also no clue how to find this again if it fails.

Have you guys ever gotten to the point of thinking this is the 'one'? Not yet transitioned to monthly with this one and may talk about monogamy (not something I have asked of my previous monthlies and given long distance its hard / may be the sticky point). Scary as polyamorous has always been my goto for the site.

Being with her is what I want to remember when I'm 80+ on my death bed.

[3Putt]

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[Aafakljgadkg]

https://www.seeking.com/member/acb54...1-e6a1c1ab27df

https://www.seeking.com/member/ab120...f-2135aa6a93e2

If there was a time to whisper to a girl's ear while you do her, this is 1 of those time.

Hold on tight.

Older one took down her profile, then the other one did too. You guys were too aggressive LOL.
I thought the younger one is better. She knows how to work your stick. Remember to give a bit extra when you are pleased. And stop telling them about this forum

[BoBroBgobs]

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...e-64590d066976

This agreed on a ppm and asked for my number. Then disappeared for a week or so and then texted me. But the text was from a number from another SB profile (completely different looking) from a while ago. This already was weird, and a few things more later made it more fishy. Be careful.

[CreamPieGuy543]

Same experience here. This place was going slowly downhill even in the 6 months leading up to covid. Mid-2019 and prior this place was actually decent and you could still meet legit people. Not anymore it seems.

Honestly I never used SA that much and used SB instead, though SA has way more options and honestly better odds.

But when I started a few years ago it was a COMPLETELY different ball game. PPMs were easy, meet ups were easy--the whole thing was easy. Now it's so much damn work that I barely even want to do it anymore. It's like the market got flooded, COVID hit, and all the girls wanted to do virtual because they realized they could scam for free.

Pretty crazy how much my experience on these sites has changed in a few years. I also wondered if there was some back channel where they were discussing amongst each other. But there isn't. I created a few different profiles, used different pics and different numbers and nothing seemed to change.

This seems like the new status quo.

Granted, I can still get some stuff arranged, it's just not at all the same ratio of messages as it used to be. Now it seems like 1 in 20 messages I send even get a response. Three years ago it was 1 in 2.

[Randy Darwin]

Does anyone know anything about this one: https://members.seeking.com/member/1...0-04ae2ce451b0.

[FlyGirlT]

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[ShadowForce]

She's hot but not 800 hot IMHO.

Texted with her. She mentioned the same number and I asked her what was included for that and she lost her shit LOL.

[BlackMarketBb]

If high volume pros are charging $200-$300, perhaps it's time to reassess what's reasonable for a qualify UTR girl from Seeking.

LOL, no.

$300 is plenty for having sex, sometimes with a meal too.

$500 is premium, anything more is GPS.

[Bronco62]

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...1-6d061e4f9e52

Wants $500 ppm, agreed to bare but says she doesn't suck cock until she knows you well, but "is good with her hands". Sent me pics of her body, big tits, thick, nothing special. Pass.

[Michael1967]

Since we're on the subject of price, it may be a good idea to revisit that conversation. I know it's been discussed many times in this thread, but it bears repeating occasionally.

It seems we are all looking for that $200-$300 sweet spot, but I wonder if that's reasonable anymore. Given the number of flakes, time wasters, and scammers on Seeking, finding a real person who is attractive, responsive, and DTF may be worth an upcharge. Most of these women are clean and relatively low mileage. The rise in prices across the board has been well catalogued on this board. If high volume pros are charging $200-$300, perhaps it's time to reassess what's reasonable for a qualify UTR girl from Seeking.

There is a thread on Reddit for SBs and SDs to post what they are charging / paying. It's kind of interesting, some of the amounts seem completely astronomical and unreasonable: https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifest...read_20212022/.

(in case the board censored that URL, it's are / sugarlifestyleforum and the master allowance thread is stickied at the top).

So, I'm curious what you are all paying for full dates, on a PPM basis? Full date means you're shooting at least one load by the end of the date (or you are at least given a very clear opportunity to). Less interested in what the women are quoting and more interested in the prices at which you've actually closed the deal. And these need to be relatively recent (let's limit only to new women met in the last twelve months). I've met two recently for full dates, each at $300 PPM. I had a platonic meet and greet with another, but she wanted $500 for a full date. I said no and was expecting a counter, but it never came.

I'm at $500 and deduct the price of hotel from what I give her. I never go straight to hotel, we usually have drinks first (at minimum). So generally about $600-650 including everything. Every person I date is gorgeous (in my opinion). No fatties or uglies just because they are cheaper.

[Smuma6]

Since we're on the subject of price, it may be a good idea to revisit that conversation. I know it's been discussed many times in this thread, but it bears repeating occasionally.

It seems we are all looking for that $200-$300 sweet spot, but I wonder if that's reasonable anymore. Given the number of flakes, time wasters, and scammers on Seeking, finding a real person who is attractive, responsive, and DTF may be worth an upcharge. Most of these women are clean and relatively low mileage. The rise in prices across the board has been well catalogued on this board. If high volume pros are charging $200-$300, perhaps it's time to reassess what's reasonable for a qualify UTR girl from Seeking.

There is a thread on Reddit for SBs and SDs to post what they are charging / paying. It's kind of interesting, some of the amounts seem completely astronomical and unreasonable: https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifest...read_20212022/.

(in case the board censored that URL, it's are / sugarlifestyleforum and the master allowance thread is stickied at the top).

So, I'm curious what you are all paying for full dates, on a PPM basis? Full date means you're shooting at least one load by the end of the date (or you are at least given a very clear opportunity to). Less interested in what the women are quoting and more interested in the prices at which you've actually closed the deal. And these need to be relatively recent (let's limit only to new women met in the last twelve months). I've met two recently for full dates, each at $300 PPM. I had a platonic meet and greet with another, but she wanted $500 for a full date. I said no and was expecting a counter, but it never came.

[Michael1967]

So, awhile ago, I went for a meet and greet with a potential SB. Of all the SBs I've encountered in years, she was the ONLY one that I can see a rich guy scooping her up and paying a shit ton of money for. She was the first SB that I've met that I'd describe as "classy".

She wanted $200 for a M&G. I didn't pay that, but I paid much more than I'd consider for a M&G. In addition, dinner came out to about $300. I knew immediately that she was out of my league. I didn't bother even discussing numbers, because if I'm paying about $500 to take her to dinner, then I'm going to pay a minimum of $1000 to fuck her. I make good money, but I know my limitations. She was obviously someone that isn't going to meet me at a hotel for sex, she's going to be wined and dined at minimum. So, in reality, it would cost me $1500 to get laid.

So, I've been around awhile, I know how to get in someone's pants without paying for it. So, I told her I'd like to see her again because I liked her and that a SD relationship may not work out with us.

Silence. Until today. She contacted me and acted like I disappeared on her. B itch Please. She ghosted me hoping for something better and no one else came close. So now she's back. But nothing pisses me off more than a 20 something that thinks she smarter than me and thinks I'm going to fall for that. I know what she was doing. I'm tempted to tell her I'm not interested, but I'm going to hit that once before I do (so don't ask for her info).

As a side note. She's an incredibly attractive black woman. She told me that she expected to find a rich white guy, but multiple white men have contacted her and have asked if they can call her the and-word in bed or if she minded if they used the and-word around her. She has never encountered anyone bold enough to even hint at that and now in Seattle she's encountered it multiple times. She has zero interest in seeing white guys now. My question is, WTF is wrong with you people?

[DrtyHarry]

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...f-3faf12adfcb4

I met her irl for a m&g and she's dtf. This girl is a cute young college freshman that will spend 3-4 hours and multiple rounds for 800 ppm. I passed since there's better value out there and decided to see another SB of mine instead.

She's hot but not 800 hot IMHO.